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[Mad Ones]

The premise to this movie, and what everyone seems to want it to do really confuses me.

To me, the trilogy and First Class feel like they're in different worlds. Everything from the million little continuity inconsistencies, the style and feel of the movie, and actors make First Class into its own entity. If I saw a movie that combined the cast and world of the two timelines into one I think I'd find it jarring.

Is this movie going to get heavy into time travel and alternate realities? I don't really see how time travel can fix the continuity errors in this case. Assuming the past events take place after First Class, what would happen in the 60s that the future X-men would have to correct? Fifty or so years have passes since First Class and X1, and there were no Sentinels or internment camps or anything. It would make sense for future X-men to visit the X-men in an X4, because that future hasn't been revealed yet. But the future of First Class (at least 50 years of it) has been told.

The logistics behind the story and getting everyone (especially from the original trilogy back) seems really difficult.

What I really want is an X-men movie with the classic characters that are essentially close to their comic counterparts. An Iceman with a sense of humour, southern belle Rogue, motherly Jean, etc. This movie isn't going to give us anything else besides more Magneto/Xavier drama with Banshee, Havoc, Beast, and Mystique.

 

[Hypestyle]

we'll see.. I would have rather seen a year or two pass since the first film, still in the mid-60s, and the 3rd film be in 1968-69, the murders of Martin luther king and robert kennedy, escalating angst over Vietnam, civil rights, the baby boomer generation gap, drug proliferation, end of innocence, etc.

with the new film, hmm.. I wonder who will be the US President? will they make it fictional or try like Watchmen to make it Nixon or somebody?

as far as characters, they might as well stick with the ones they have, though this will alter how to approach the narrative, compared to the original claremont story.. which, in and of itself, was only two issues to begin with..

 

[BMM]

we'll see.. I would have rather seen a year or two pass since the first film, still in the mid-60s, and the 3rd film be in 1968-69, the murders of Martin luther king and robert kennedy, escalating angst over Vietnam, civil rights, the baby boomer generation gap, drug proliferation, end of innocence, etc.

with the new film, hmm.. I wonder who will be the US President? will they make it fictional or try like Watchmen to make it Nixon or somebody?

as far as characters, they might as well stick with the ones they have, though this will alter how to approach the narrative, compared to the original claremont story.. which, in and of itself, was only two issues to begin with..

Given Days of Future Past's storyline, Kennedy's assassination, and the filmmakers' willingness to intertwine real world events with fictional ones, Kennedy seems like the obvious choice.

 

[rayc1971]

i hope this isnt another wolverine heavy xmen flick he already getting his sequel use cable as the traveler.the old tv series did a good job of centering it around cable.

 

[Mrs Vimes]

Is this movie going to get heavy into time travel and alternate realities? I don't really see how time travel can fix the continuity errors in this case. Assuming the past events take place after First Class, what would happen in the 60s that the future X-men would have to correct? Fifty or so years have passes since First Class and X1, and there were no Sentinels or internment camps or anything. It would make sense for future X-men to visit the X-men in an X4, because that future hasn't been revealed yet. But the future of First Class (at least 50 years of it) has been told.

Yep, all of that. It doesn't make sense to me that for some reason it would take a good few decades for an event in the 60s to affect a post-X3 future.

And I totally agree about the different style and feel of the First Class compared to the original trilogy, as well.

 

[BMM]

I think people are overestimating just how much they're going to combine the two casts, and isn't the idea of Days of Future Past to have a bit of a stark contrast between the two worlds? Granted, I understand what people are saying, but I'm not too worried about it. I think, if Vaughn wants to, he can more closely match the tone of the original trilogy.

 

[JP]

I think the largest issue I'm seeing around here is that people keep thinking "post X3".

 

[marvelrobbins]

It's not really going to matter how the Last Stand ended.Forget for a moment
Matthew Vaughn and bryan Singer strongly hinted In first Class they are Ignoring Last Stand.There Is going to be nothing In future sequenze or scenes to connect to Last Stand.

Now when the original Days of future Past was published It was done as future that could happen If Senator Kelly,Xavier,and Moira were assassinated by brotherhood.Later on It was reconned to be an alternate reality and Xavier was reconned to be alive till soldiers attacked the mansion.It could be done on film to be futre fate of characters from earlier films Inless the past Is changed or complete alternate reality If the Brotherhood Is successful.

As for returning characters will they use some of characters alive at end of Last stand or will they say just screw It and use characters from Singer's films to distance themselves from Last Stand.If Vaughn and Singer wanted to bring back James Marsden and Famke Janssen alternate reality Is way to do It.

 

[JP]

But the thing I keep saying is that it doesn't even matter weather or not they are or aren't ignoring certain aspects of the films.

The fact is, in DoFP an event happens that alters the timeline. That means that it really doesn't matter what happens in the span of the first three films, as that future may not exhist anymore as opposed to the bleak post-apocalyptic future that DoFP describes.

 

[marvelrobbins]

But doing Days of future Past In prequel to eather X-men/X2(the Singerverse as Simon Kinberg called It) or previous X-Men trilogy Is a bit tricker.You have 2 choices here.

1:the original version of events lead to sentinles post earlier films and and end of this film after X-Men stop assassination that leaves the future uncertin
2:The sentinle future Is completly different and at end of film you pay the way for events of earlier films(or at least The Wolverine/X-Men/X2) to happen

For them to use time travel to do away with elements from earlier films and yet say to people those films you liked still happened(although I don't too many actully say they liked Last Stand) like Star Trek 2009 they have to go with 1.If they go with 2 they are saying Days of future past like First Class leads up to earlier films(or at least the films they want to acknowledge)

 

[psylockolussus]

Bishop and Sentinels please!!!

Me too! I think I will be content with that!

 

[Mrs Vimes]

I think the largest issue I'm seeing around here is that people keep thinking "post X3".

I don't think it's just X3 that's the problem. Even if it doesn't happen and the apocalyptic future happens after X2, it's still the same problem of too much time passing between an important event in the 60s and the camps in the future.

The way I see it, I think it makes more sense for something like this to happen:

- There is some important event in the 60s, which leads to a terrible apocalyptic future. This is Timeline 1 - in which the events of X1-X3 do not happen.

- At the end of the film, this event is averted, which leads to another future in which the terrible apocalyptic future did not happen. This is the Timeline 2 - in which X1-X3 happens.

- So if we do get to see the future Magneto, Wolverine, Storm etc., these will not be the same characters we've seen in X1-X3. Instead, it will be the alternate versions of their characters from Timeline 1 - who do not get to experience the events of X1-X3 and whose lives instead run a completely different course.

- The characters from Timeline 2 - i.e. X1-X3 - do not need to get involved at all.

 

[Lily Adler]

So basically the OT is the result of the events in DoFP.

 

[JP]

I don't think it's just X3 that's the problem. Even if it doesn't happen and the apocalyptic future happens after X2, it's still the same problem of too much time passing between an important event in the 60s and the camps in the future.

Again, thinking "post film X" shouldn't be the way to think, imo. If said event changed the future, the films we know don't matter.

The "but too much time has past" argument is silly to me. Things don't get bad quickly, they take time and progression. And after things are as bad as they can get, I'm pretty sure someone would be living in that awful world for years before they're able to hypothetically travel through time to fix it.

 

[Mrs Vimes]

The "but too much time has past" argument is silly to me. Things don't get bad quickly, they take time and progression. And after things are as bad as they can get, I'm pretty sure someone would be living in that awful world for years before they're able to hypothetically travel through time to fix it.

But the idea is not just that things get progressively worse - it's that there's one super-important event in the past which leads to the apocalyptic scenario, and averting it changes the entire future. Which to me does not suggest a slow progression or evolution, but rather a revolution if you like. Which tend to be fast and nasty.

 

[X-Maniac]

I don't think it's just X3 that's the problem. Even if it doesn't happen and the apocalyptic future happens after X2, it's still the same problem of too much time passing between an important event in the 60s and the camps in the future.

The way I see it, I think it makes more sense for something like this to happen:

- There is some important event in the 60s, which leads to a terrible apocalyptic future. This is Timeline 1 - in which the events of X1-X3 do not happen.

- At the end of the film, this event is averted, which leads to another future in which the terrible apocalyptic future did not happen. This is the Timeline 2 - in which X1-X3 happens.

- So if we do get to see the future Magneto, Wolverine, Storm etc., these will not be the same characters we've seen in X1-X3. Instead, it will be the alternate versions of their characters from Timeline 1 - who do not get to experience the events of X1-X3 and whose lives instead run a completely different course.

- The characters from Timeline 2 - i.e. X1-X3 - do not need to get involved at all.

That's one way to look at it.

The only problem with your suggestion is that if the event that creates the apocalyptic future is averted, then Timeline 2 (in which X1-X3 happens) carries on as normal.

I thought part of the reason for the time travel stuff was to create a new alternate timeline (like Star Trek did) in which the future isn't as we saw it already - thus allowing events, characters and scenarios to take place differently in subsequent films rather than matching up with the continuity of X1-X3.

Under your suggestion, the only way for that to happen would be for the trigger event NOT to be averted, thus allowing Timeline 1 to move forward (which at some point ends in the apocalyptic future).

 

[Great Mind(s)]

I don't think it's just X3 that's the problem. Even if it doesn't happen and the apocalyptic future happens after X2, it's still the same problem of too much time passing between an important event in the 60s and the camps in the future.

The way I see it, I think it makes more sense for something like this to happen:

- There is some important event in the 60s, which leads to a terrible apocalyptic future. This is Timeline 1 - in which the events of X1-X3 do not happen.

- At the end of the film, this event is averted, which leads to another future in which the terrible apocalyptic future did not happen. This is the Timeline 2 - in which X1-X3 happens.

- So if we do get to see the future Magneto, Wolverine, Storm etc., these will not be the same characters we've seen in X1-X3. Instead, it will be the alternate versions of their characters from Timeline 1 - who do not get to experience the events of X1-X3 and whose lives instead run a completely different course.

- The characters from Timeline 2 - i.e. X1-X3 - do not need to get involved at all.

I don't know how much in the future they want to make the Sentinel controlled world. It could be an alternate present day or alt X1-3 timeline and NOT the future future. It'd still be the future for First Class's characters. I only consider this because if we want to see Ian McKellan back, how much in the future could Magneto live for? But then again, I want to see Wolverine with grey in his hair.

 

[Mrs Vimes]

The only problem with your suggestion is that if the event that creates the apocalyptic future is averted, then Timeline 2 (in which X1-X3 happens) carries on as normal.

I thought part of the reason for the time travel stuff was to create a new alternate timeline (like Star Trek did) in which the future isn't as we saw it already - thus allowing events, characters and scenarios to take place differently in subsequent films rather than matching up with the continuity of X1-X3.

True, but some of the events in First Class already don't match up with the continuity of X1-X3, and you can't fix those with time travel (unless you travel further back to time prior to First Class and rewrite that film too, but I don't see the filmmakers doing that).

I also think that because there's something like 40 years between the two series, filmmakers have a lot of freedom with FC characters and a whole lot can just be explained with, "well a lot of time passed since then and things changed". As long as they don't do something like killing off a major character who was shown to be alive in the original trilogy.

Under your suggestion, the only way for that to happen would be for the trigger event NOT to be averted, thus allowing Timeline 1 to move forward (which at some point ends in the apocalyptic future).

Or, alternatively, it's possible for the event to be averted, but, in the attempt to do so, our heroes commit some other crucial action. Which changes the future and leads to Timeline 3, in which neither the apocalypse nor X1-X3 happen.

 

[Spuzz]

The premise to this movie, and what everyone seems to want it to do really confuses me.

To me, the trilogy and First Class feel like they're in different worlds. Everything from the million little continuity inconsistencies, the style and feel of the movie, and actors make First Class into its own entity. If I saw a movie that combined the cast and world of the two timelines into one I think I'd find it jarring.

Is this movie going to get heavy into time travel and alternate realities? I don't really see how time travel can fix the continuity errors in this case. Assuming the past events take place after First Class, what would happen in the 60s that the future X-men would have to correct? Fifty or so years have passes since First Class and X1, and there were no Sentinels or internment camps or anything. It would make sense for future X-men to visit the X-men in an X4, because that future hasn't been revealed yet. But the future of First Class (at least 50 years of it) has been told.

The logistics behind the story and getting everyone (especially from the original trilogy back) seems really difficult.

What I really want is an X-men movie with the classic characters that are essentially close to their comic counterparts. An Iceman with a sense of humour, southern belle Rogue, motherly Jean, etc. This movie isn't going to give us anything else besides more Magneto/Xavier drama with Banshee, Havoc, Beast, and Mystique.

We already did see the world fo the two films clash with Wolvy's cameo in FC. Did that seem jarring to you? It seemed awesome to me.

 

[JP]

Currently re-reading DoFP. Just finished the first issue.

I really think they can keep the film pretty faithful, just swap out characters for others. Unlike TAS (which is such a crappy adaptation of the story) there is really no need for time travel. Instead of Kitty getting her mind swapped, just use Xavier. It wouldn't be hard for audiences to buy a powerful psychic communicating with himself through time.


Another thing I love about the comic is Charles and Moira in Washington. That would actually be a good way to reintroduce Moira. After the events in Cuba, the world now knows about mutants, so a senate hearing isn't too far fetched. Xavier could be at the hearing when Moira is called in to speak.

Also, it's a 30 year period between the assassination attempt, and the future where Kate Pryde is from. Everyone keeps saying how the time gap between the 60s and the original trilogy is too wide for this story to work, but it really isn't at all.

 

[Great Mind(s)]

Currently re-reading DoFP. Just finished the first issue.

I really think they can keep the film pretty faithful, just swap out characters for others. Unlike TAS (which is such a crappy adaptation of the story) there is really no need for time travel. Instead of Kitty getting her mind swapped, just use Xavier. It wouldn't be hard for audiences to buy a powerful psychic communicating with himself through time.


Another thing I love about the comic is Charles and Moira in Washington. That would actually be a good way to reintroduce Moira. After the events in Cuba, the world now knows about mutants, so a senate hearing isn't too far fetched. Xavier could be at the hearing when Moira is called in to speak.

Also, it's a 30 year period between the assassination attempt, and the future where Kate Pryde is from. Everyone keeps saying how the time gap between the 60s and the original trilogy is too wide for this story to work, but it really isn't at all.

Especially if they don't make it the FUTURE future, rather an alternate timeline of the original trilogy. It's still the future to the First Class characters. And I agree it would be good to have Xavier be the one to contact himself through time.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I agree with the time garp Is not too large.The original comic has It between 1980 and 2013.

As for using the original ind swap Idea.Would It work to have James Mcavoy for most of film play 1960's Xavier with mind of Patrick Stewert's Xavier.Now they might do that.If they do they will likely have a action pack escape from camp and show X-men VS Sentinles In future.Now If Hugh jackman were to commit to large role they could have Wolverine In mind swap.Which you can't dismiss they may try to do.

The 1990's adaptation was primarly so they could get Bishop on show.At the time Bishop was popular character In Comics.In early 1990's Bishop was popular character In X-Men Comics.And It tied Into Sentinle storyline from season 1.

would they do the back and forth between 1960's and future similar to comics Is Intresting question.

At end of first Class the government knows about mutants but not general public.So Inless Xavier uses powers to get Into closed hearing I don't know how that could work.However If possibly The 1960's part of DOFP could place around 1968,and have mutants now exposed and have fictonal politican as head of senate committie Investigating mutant Issue.And If Moira Is in film that Is way to do It

 

[Great Mind(s)]

I seem to remember some of the writers wanting to bring Cable in. I dunno but I'd rather see Bishop for the lack of African Americans in the series. But not as a time traveler, just a mutant collaborator in the future, an actual face to the future beyond the Sentinels.

 

[JP]

The possibilities are limitless.

 

[JP]

Just finished the second issue. I love having the present day X-Men fighting with the Brotherhood in Washington, while simultaneously the future X-Men are fighting Sentinels. Hope that ends up being the climax of the film, and if Avalanche can be added to the Brotherhood, even better...