The Amazing Spider-Man Donald Glover wants to be Spider-Man

[chaseter]

And that is hypocritical. You are placing more importance on black characters than their 'white counterparts'. That is exactly why affirmative action today is completely baseless and wrong. To say Black Panther's history is more important than Spider-Man because of racial undertones is wrong. The X-Men had homophobic undertones but that doesn't make them less important than the struggles of a black character.

I could understand if Spider-Man was written with racist undertones and making Peter Parker black would be the way to undo years of stereotypes and racism but that isn't the case. There is absolutely no point what-so-ever in changing these character's histories just because you like a certain actor or you don't think that history is important.

 

[DACMAN]

source?

http://www.roediger.co.za/Touring Documents/Afrikane.pdf

Not to mention the guy a few pages back that said he knows some from a mission trip.

 

[DACMAN]

I didn't say Spider-man didn't have a place in history, I said the few black superhero icons have a racial identity that serve an actual purpose unlike their white counterparts.

Being "african american" all together seems to be a big part of peoples' identity more so than people who are simply "white." Which is another reason changing Spider-Man to a black guy changes the character. Racial identity is important to most black men, which isn't part of Peter's character.

 

[DACMAN]

And that is hypocritical. You are placing more importance on black characters than their 'white counterparts'. That is exactly why affirmative action today is completely baseless and wrong. To say Black Panther's history is more important than Spider-Man because of racial undertones is wrong. The X-Men had homophobic undertones but that doesn't make them less important than the struggles of a black character.

I could understand if Spider-Man was written with racist undertones and making Peter Parker black would be the way to undo years of stereotypes and racism but that isn't the case. There is absolutely no point what-so-ever in changing these character's histories just because you like a certain actor or you don't think that history is important.

Totally agree! They say that changing Peter to black wouldn't change anything...

THEN WHY DO IT?!

 

[©KAW]

I wouldn't even watch the movie online if this guy got the part....it just disrespects the character to have him another color/ethnicity....

And the other countless changes that they've made to the character isn't disrespectful?

I'm all for keeping the character white (as he should be). But it seems Spider-Man fans don't really give a damn about changes to the character, unless you want to change him black, then all hell breaks loose. Wouldn't it be great if Spider-Man fans were this damning for the other changes to Spidey that's disrespectful to the character?

Yet, you'll watch the movie when they combine characters like MJ/Gwen Stacy or Octavius/Connors, or make Sandman Uncle Ben's killer or give Spider-Man organic web-shooters.

This thread is very telling.

 

[Majik1387]

Yet, you'll watch the movie when they combine characters like MJ/Gwen Stacy or Octavius/Connors, or make Sandman Uncle Ben's killer or give Spider-Man organic web-shooters.

This thread is very telling.

Many people were annoyed at MJ being more like an annoying Gwen during the movies even to this day.

I'm not sure of the Octavius/Connors similarity other than being an idyllic mentor to Peter who through a freak accident becomes a villain. I didn't see a prob with it though I of course would have preferred Lizard>Doc Ock.

No one likes Sandman killing Uncle Ben. Whoever says they were fine with it is lying through their teeth.

Organic web shooters worked better for the movie honestly; Before I read a couple of stories and really paid attention to the cartoons, I honestly thought they were organic, cuz I mean from getting bit by an radio active spider he only gets wall crawling, super agility and spidey sense? Lame, he coulda just been called Bug-Man, I never saw the need for him to build web-shooters.

 

[zeptron]

And the other countless changes that they've made to the character isn't disrespectful?

I'm all for keeping the character white (as he should be). But it seems Spider-Man fans don't really give a damn about changes to the character, unless you want to change him black, then all hell breaks loose. Wouldn't it be great if Spider-Man fans were this damning for the other changes to Spidey that's disrespectful to the character?

Yet, you'll watch the movie when they combine characters like MJ/Gwen Stacy or Octavius/Connors, or make Sandman Uncle Ben's killer or give Spider-Man organic web-shooters.

This thread is very telling.

Changing the characterizations of the characters from what they are in a bit the comics is really not the same thing as people wanting Peter Parker to actually look like Peter Parker.

And barely anyone on this board was okay with Sandman being Uncle Ben's killer and Spidey having organic web-shooters wasn't that drastic of a change.

 

[Mr. Fixit]

Being "african american" all together seems to be a big part of peoples' identity more so than people who are simply "white." Which is another reason changing Spider-Man to a black guy changes the character. Racial identity is important to most black men, which isn't part of Peter's character.

I completely agree. I brought up this issue earlier but instead of getting a normal response all I got was a sidestepping rant about about "cultural differences not being due to race but location, economic status, bla bla bla." Yeah okay. It's genuinely ignored that another aspect of this scenario is that Spidey's closest relatives Aunt may and Uncle Ben would need to also be black. I suppose that also doesn't constitute change? I can't say the last time so many things were changed yet somehow not changed?

I think one way to compromise and add a new unobtrusive element might be to leave Peter as a Caucasian and perhaps let's see him in an interracial relationship with a new character? They've created new female characters in the past for other superhero movies and it hasn't been jarring nor did it mess with the history of the character.

In the cartoon world Harley Quinn is a cool example of a new female counterpart which later actually became fairly popular. It certainly wouldn't of been as popular had they just lazily turned one of Batman's villains female and teamed her with Joker instead.

Yet, you'll watch the movie when they combine characters like MJ/Gwen Stacy or Octavius/Connors, or make Sandman Uncle Ben's killer or give Spider-Man organic web-shooters.

This thread is very telling.

LoL, I challenge you to find people who liked those changes.

 

[DACMAN]

Seriously Kaw, you don't know what you're talking about. No one liked the changes. Even more so the way they made the Sandman Uncle Ben's killer. And it's pretty obvious you weren't back here in 01 when they announced that he wouldn't have web shooters. People want to see something they like faithly adapted. Making Peter black wouldn't be doing that. Stop trying to make this sound like you're fighting racism. It's pathetic. If you really want to fight racism go join the NAACP or something and stop picking fights with Spider-Man fans who just want to see the character they grew up with portrayed faithfully.

 

[DACMAN]

LoL, I challenge you to find people who liked those changes.

Like I said, the guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

 

[Mistah K88]

http://www.roediger.co.za/Touring Documents/Afrikane.pdf

Not to mention the guy a few pages back that said he knows some from a mission trip.

Heh, you had me thinking that these white African tribes weren't a by product of colonization.

Now we all know things about Peter's life may have to change if he has a race lift. What about other characters? Who in the Spider-Man series would be in the clear to receive a race lift with no one so much as batting an eyelash?

 

[Mr. Fixit]

Like I said, the guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

^^ The people for this change have been mostly grasping at straws since this began.

All petty differences aside - I'd like to see someone just sell us on the idea and realistically follow through with how the story would play out, address the issues sensibly and convince us why Donald is the way to go.

 

[DACMAN]

Now we all know things about Peter's life may have to change if he has a race lift.

Well first off that's kind of racist. The character doesn't need "lifted" from being white. And second, you're right, they would have to change other things to accommodate him being black. Another reason even talking about this is stupid.

 

[DACMAN]

^^ The people for this change have been mostly grasping at straws since this began.

All petty differences aside - I'd like to see someone just sell us on the idea and realistically follow through with how the story would play out, address the issues sensibly and convince us why Donald is the way to go.

Haven't you heard? He is a big Spider-Man fan and apparently he is kind of funny. HE MUST BE CAST NOW!

I can't believe people want this idiot to play Peter. You wanna talk about racism, this guy has got it in spades.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SHjAmD3eWs

 

[Rodrigo90]

After viewing that,Im more convinced than ever that he SHOULD be Spider-Man.

Spoiler

Just kidding. Look,I can be funny and sarcastic too...cast me!!! I got great reviews in my writing and acting in college. I'll bring justice to Spider-Man!!! See FUNNY!!!

 

[Spider-Fan]

I see people saying that I am close minded for saying Spider-Man can't be black. This is not close minded thinking. The whole argument for changing Parker's race is essentially "why not" and that is not an argument in favor of changing something. If it doesn't change anything, WHY DO IT! Changes to a character SHOULD be done to improve the character or film. How does making Peter black improve the character? No one has given 1 good reason it would. Thus, your agrument is flawed and meaningless.

The fact is making Peter black DOES change the character, whether you want to admit it or not. I see NO WAY people can whine about Peter not having mechanical webshooters, and then support him being black. Closing your eyes to these kinds of changes "just because" made Victor Von Doom a business man, Galactus a cloud, Deadpool into Baraka, and various other idiotic changes for no good reason.

If you think I am racist for saying Peter can't be played by a black man, I honestly couldn't care less. I am not racist, and I know I am not racist. I have nothing to prove to ANYONE on here, and the fact people play the "your racist/close minded" card just for saying they want Peter Parker to remain white (as he has been for 50 years), then you have no argument worth listening to.

 

[GoldGoblin]

Hey lets cast a black actor to play captain kirk in the next star trek movie too.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Seriously Kaw, you don't know what you're talking about. No one liked the changes. Even more so the way they made the Sandman Uncle Ben's killer. And it's pretty obvious you weren't back here in 01 when they announced that he wouldn't have web shooters. People want to see something they like faithly adapted. Making Peter black wouldn't be doing that. Stop trying to make this sound like you're fighting racism. It's pathetic. If you really want to fight racism go join the NAACP or something and stop picking fights with Spider-Man fans who just want to see the character they grew up with portrayed faithfully.

You and I are in perfect agreement on this DAC

 

[Robin91939]

Haven't you heard? He is a big Spider-Man fan and apparently he is kind of funny. HE MUST BE CAST NOW!

I can't believe people want this idiot to play Peter. You wanna talk about racism, this guy has got it in spades.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SHjAmD3eWs

He is proving the point for me that there is a difference in humor and sensibilities in white and black media.....it's not racism, it's not stereotype...it's just culture.

-R

 

[Mr. Fixit]

Hey lets cast a black actor to play captain kirk in the next star trek movie too.

LoL!

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

No one likes Sandman killing Uncle Ben. Whoever says they were fine with it is lying through their teeth.

It was stupid, but I'm fine with it.

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

Seriously Kaw, you don't know what you're talking about. No one liked the changes. Even more so the way they made the Sandman Uncle Ben's killer. And it's pretty obvious you weren't back here in 01 when they announced that he wouldn't have web shooters. People want to see something they like faithly adapted. Making Peter black wouldn't be doing that. Stop trying to make this sound like you're fighting racism. It's pathetic. If you really want to fight racism go join the NAACP or something and stop picking fights with Spider-Man fans who just want to see the character they grew up with portrayed faithfully.

This.

 

[CEREBRAL....]

^^ The people for this change have been mostly grasping at straws since this began.

All petty differences aside - I'd like to see someone just sell us on the idea and realistically follow through with how the story would play out, address the issues sensibly and convince us why Donald is the way to go.

One poster actually said anything about soley wanting him, while others, most ppl said they have no problem with a black person playing peter..where do you get that everyone wants donald on this board?

and like i said before..how do you know he can't act the role? again i ask you..so if he aucition and he actually is better then the white actors that aucition, then he shouldn't get it because he's black right? Is that what your implying?


why does anyone have to convince you or the poster who side with you? It's already a no win/senseless debating with anyone of you,.......

 

[Immortalfire]

Yeah, and they're African. White people can be African. Almost 10% of the people that live in Africa are white. Why is that hard to understand?

Charlize Theron is African-American.

 

[Infinity9999x]

and like i said before..how do you know he can't act the role? again i ask you..so if he aucition and he actually is better then the white actors that aucition, then he shouldn't get it because he's black right? Is that what your implying?

That's exactly what I was implying earlier. As a studying actor, I know that it's one of the few professions where you will be judged and hired according to your looks. I didn't get a part in my university's production of Permanent Collection this past year because I was too short opposite the other leading man. The director even told me I gave a good audition, but I didn't fit the look he was going for.

That's the way the business is. You will be judged according to how you look. It's one of the few professions where it's perfectly legal to discriminate based on appearance. Because it's all about the director's artistic vision, and what the role calls for.

I'll never get the role of Othello, even if I gave the best audition in the world, because I don't look the part. Now, yes, Othello's race is more ingrained in the character, but the point I'm making is that, in the acting world, it's perfectly fine to hire or not based on race, appearance, or gender.

Also, in regards to Glover, He's too old. He's 27. He looks 27. If he were one of those late 20's actors that looked like a teenager it would be one thing, but he's not even that.