Dragonball Z Movie

[kane9321]

DB:E was a complete utter piece of trash. Why would u try to make another?

 

[matrix_ghost]

DB:E was a complete utter piece of trash. Why would u try to make another?

Using that logic , aren't Batman Begins and The Dark Knight movies that really shouldn't have been made after Batman & Robin
Come now. You can't use DB:E as the standard . It's crap and like all franchises i think it deservers a proper treatment

 

[Majin...]

the way i see it/want it, a dbz movie should be composed of:80% fighting scenes(and i'm talking about a violent mind-blowing coreography)and 20% story(with no hugs and kisses-so no chichi)

 

[thegameq]

Dragonball is just something too absurb to come out of hollywood cinema... to me

Nuff said.

I mean really, Come on....a true DBZ or DB movie would/could be incredible, but it's just to big a creative and financial risk. Let's face it, the GA simply wouldn't get DB. In the end it would be dismissed as just plain weird, for fans only or childish. Anime as great as it is, just doesn't appeal to everyone.

I can already here the reviews:

"it was weird", "..it was like a live action cartoon, with weird characters, etc.".

"..it was alright, I didn't get it though--I don't know what the big deal was supposed to be".

"...isn't this based on one of those anime cartoons or something....if you're not a fan of the show then....".

Now filmakers/studios could take the Kung Fu Hustle approach, which could facilitate a likeable/doable DB movie--but again--even with such an approach the film would have limited appeal.

To make a DB film for general audiences, so much of what makes DB/DBZ great (quirkiness, over the top huge fights and displays power and carnage, etc.) would have to be either left out or toned down to the point where it wouldn't even be DB anymore. Jesus, can you imagine the cost of the SFX alone--if you were to use one of the more reputable SFX houses that is.

Then there's the biggest obstacle: FOX. Fox is only interested in fantasy films that are sure bets. Otherwise forget it! They will go el cheapo! on anything that doesn't come with a box office smash guarantee.

 

[Majin...]

if done properly, the movie would appeal to people...i mean almost everybody saw 2012 mostly for its spectacular effects (erupting volcanoes, earthquakes, massive environmental transformations and such)-now adding 1 hour of raw fighting scenes to it and the concept that a handful of dudes are so strong that they can literally change the surface and the core of the planet, would most certainly not fail to excite people's interest....yes,it would be expensive


soo below is just smth i came up with working in after effects...it's...ki (i'm not taking credit for the background image) .

 

[thegameq]

if done properly, the movie would appeal to people...i mean almost everybody saw 2012 mostly for its spectacular effects (erupting volcanoes, earthquakes, massive environmental transformations and such)-now adding 1 hour of raw fighting scenes to it and the concept that a handful of dudes are so strong that they can literally change the surface and the core of the planet, would most certainly not fail to excite people's interest....yes,it would be expensive


soo below is just smth i came up with working in after effects...it's...ki (i'm not taking credit for the background image) .

Yes but there's more to DB than just fights...not much more though. The potential is there..it's just how much is going to be sacrificed.

 

[Octoberist]

i just think in order for a Dragon Ball 'reboot' to happen, you need another movie( or movies) based on Anime that are both successful and have quality.

For example, let's say the live action Akira turns out to be a big money make and people liked it, THEN i can see a studio pushing for Dragonball. Otherwise, it's dead in the water if the genre doesn't pick up. (Look at video game movies)

 

[wattabrownsound]

how could ben ramsey's first draft of dragonball have been too expensive with the kind of special effects movies out nowadays? Fox should relinquish the rights to Dragonball if its too expensive for them to handle.

 

[thegameq]

i just think in order for a Dragon Ball 'reboot' to happen, you need another movie( or movies) based on Anime that are both successful and have quality.

For example, let's say the live action Akira turns out to be a big money make and people liked it, THEN i can see a studio pushing for Dragonball. Otherwise, it's dead in the water if the genre doesn't pick up. (Look at video game movies)

Interesting point. The "monkey see, monkey do" nature of Hollywood lends itself well to your theory. I have to think: what films have come the closest to being a live action version of anime? I have yet to see Speed Racer. I heard it was creative as hell, and pushed the envelope creatively. But it was lacking in other areas. I have to check it out.

Akira would be so much easier to do than DB. However, would H-wood get behind a film with a mostly or predominantly Japanese/Asian cast set in Japan? Or would they change the ethnicity of the characters and local? Part of the....charm or lure of anime--besides the far out nature and stylized kinetic action, is the foreign nature. It's from another land and culture..it's foreign. Akira's sociopolitical undertones work well for Japan. Not that it can't work in the USA, in a city like New York, but for me it wouldn't strike the same tone.

 

[matrix_ghost]

Interesting point. The "monkey see, monkey do" nature of Hollywood lends itself well to your theory. I have to think: what films have come the closest to being a live action version of anime? I have yet to see Speed Racer. I heard it was creative as hell, and pushed the envelope creatively. But it was lacking in other areas. I have to check it out.

Akira would be so much easier to do than DB. However, would H-wood get behind a film with a mostly or predominantly Japanese/Asian cast set in Japan? Or would they change the ethnicity of the characters and local? Part of the....charm or lure of anime--besides the far out nature and stylized kinetic action, is the foreign nature. It's from another land and culture..it's foreign. Akira's sociopolitical undertones work well for Japan. Not that it can't work in the USA, in a city like New York, but for me it wouldn't strike the same tone.

Well the script review of Akira basically is going for a americanised version of Akira with western actors playing the major roles and the the setting being changed from japan to NY. There are still Jap. influences but still...
Personally i thought that with minor changes , you can have western actors appearing in AKIRA and not bastardizing the whole thing. Neo Tokyo rebuilds itself after AKIRA's psychic powers are unleashed. But in the manga you can also see that there is mention of other countries ( russia , the states) being scared of this secret power. In the end they decide to attack Japan.
So there is definately a political angle there that IMO could work with adapting AKIRA for Hollywood.
Have the major countries of the world rebuild Tokyo after the initial psychic awakening with a UN like council overlooking the Jap goverment.
You could have people from foreign countries coming to Japan to help rebuild it and deciding to stay there.
But yeah i would've preferred to keep the major characters ( well maybe not kaneda & kei) japanese. Such as Tetsuo and the espers.

Still i think that even with a movie like AKIRA making enough money , a studio that didn't care about the property wouldn't give a crap about making a good movie . Hell despite creative problems that the Sony & Marvel management had with Raimi , they made sure that Spider-man 1 ,2 &3 weren't half assed movies . pider-man 1 cost 180 milliom & Spider-man 2 cost 200 million .
What does Fox do. Exactly one year after Spider-man 2 comes out , they release Fantastic Four . A perfect example of Fox's micromanaging mentality.

 

[Octoberist]

i think the problem with anime is not so much the visual stuff. I think we all love giant robots with giant swords.

It's more like a cultural sensibilities in the storytelling and characters. I think many anime fans in general embrace anime due to their understanding and admiration for the Japanese culture..

The only anime that could work as a live action Hollywood film would be Cowboy Bebop due to its homage to Western culture.

 

[venom892]

Here is something that Fox may want to consider .
Why not make DBZ a (photo)realistic animated movie with mo-cap performance a la the stuff that Zemeckis was/is doing as well as what Spielberg is currently doing with his Tin Tin feature movie.
As far as i know Spielberg isn't making Tin Tin as photoreal as Avatar but bringing the cartoon characters into a very realistic world .
Hell Tin Tin is budgeted at 135 million with avatar's "official" numer being placed at 238 million.
So you can sorta guess just how "animated or real " TIn TIn will look.

I think that such an animated movie might work very well with DB(Z). That is of course if Fox is willing to spend that amount of money on the movie. How or why did they spend just 50 million on DB:E ??

I actually wouldn't be opposed to this.Aliens like Piccolo and Frieza can more then likely look awesome using that format.

 

[matrix_ghost]

I actually wouldn't be opposed to this.Aliens like Piccolo and Frieza can more then likely look awesome using that format.

Exactly.
Movies are about consistency and those flaws are very visible when doing something live-action because you're combining real elements with animated ones. The VFX need to be of (very) high quality because otherwise it just comes down to something looking fake.
Going to the animated route means that everything looks animated ( depending on just how realistic the studio wants the movie to be) but at least there is consistency between the characters.

 

[matrix_ghost]

i think the problem with anime is not so much the visual stuff. I think we all love giant robots with giant swords.

It's more like a cultural sensibilities in the storytelling and characters. I think many anime fans in general embrace anime due to their understanding and admiration for the Japanese culture..

The only anime that could work as a live action Hollywood film would be Cowboy Bebop due to its homage to Western culture.

Well yeah. Bebob can very easily make the transition to live action.

 

[Majin...]

Fox should relinquish the rights to Dragonball if its too expensive for them to handle.

indeed they should...however=> http://whois.domaintools.com/dragonballthemovie.com

 

[MoPlaYa]

I think who ever directs the next DB movie needs to be a fan of the manga/anime unlike Wong

 

[wattabrownsound]

Something they need to make sense of in a Dragon Ball movie is where does all this craziness take place. On our Earth? On a fictional Earth?

 

[wattabrownsound]

Since the talking animals were left out of Dragonball: Evolution, does anyone think they could have worked if left in or in a reboot?

 

[Silver Knight]

Not going to happen.

 

[wattabrownsound]

i think with the talking animals/creatures only the important ones like Korin or Shenron should have the ability to talk. look at the path to power movie part 1 on youtube- the fish talks. i don't think that every little animal/creature like that fish should talk. maybe that's what kind of seals the deal when deciding to make animals/creatures talk in a dragonball movie.

 

[wattabrownsound]

what if george lucas took on a live-action DBZ movie trilogy? ILM would do a better job of the CGI than what we got in DB:E.

 

[matrix_ghost]

what if george lucas took on a live-action DBZ movie trilogy? ILM would do a better job of the CGI than what we got in DB:E.

You really wanna this discussion ??????
George Lucas for DBZ......

OKay
1) George Lucas plas things safe. Despite the fact that ILM is one the best VFX studios out there , they never seem to push themselves under lucas. EVen with digital advancement the shots still look animated. It's a different thing when guys like Gore Verbinski ( POTC 1-2-3-) , James Cameron ( the aerial battle in Avatar) or Michael Bay ( TF & ROTF) use ILM because for some reason their shots look real. Not just real but photoreal.
With George Lucas you'd just get an animated looking pig or weightless CG humans . SPeaking of weighless humans see below

2) George Lucas has a inheritent dislike for wire-fu. He prefers to replace the actors entirely saying that wire-fu looks fake. Problem is that his digital humans also look pretty fake when doing back flips etc.
Not to mention that the guy has no experience directing martial arts scenes.

 

[dark_b]

when it comes human CGI in SW Lucas has very low standards.

 

[matrix_ghost]

when it comes human CGI in SW Lucas has very low standards.

What do you expect when he's budgeted the movies for 120 million

 

[Ipodman]

When it all comes down to it, its the director

District 9 was relatively low budget and the aliens looked pretty real to me