DTL Season 6-Week 3 (Set 2)

[DTL Commish]

The rules:
This is one of two threads containing matches.
These threads will be in use for 7 days. Days 1-4 (Oct 31-Nov 3) are strictly setup time for owners to post their battles, plead their cases, tell us their team’s strategies, breakdown the match ups, and do whatever else they can/want to do to try and convince you that their team would pull out a victory. Please, let the owners do this on their own with no help. Debating cannot begin until both owners post battles.

On Day 5 (Nov 4) I will post and tell everyone that voting may begin. Any votes cast before I open voting will not count. Look over the matchups and read the strategies, and take into consideration how in-character each character is. Afterwards, use your best judgment to decide who you think has the best chance to win the match. (Note: The length of a writeup is at the discretion of the owner. Do not punish owners just for having a shorter writeup.)

To vote, post the team names you think will prevail in each match. Remember to vote for all matches or your vote will not count! The teams with the highest vote total at the end of the 7th day (Nov 6) will get a W while the other will get an L. (Equal votes will result in a tie.)

The battleground for this week is: Wundagore Mountain

The Authorititans
Superman-16 (DU) - Superspeed, superstrength, flight, quantum telekinesis
Wonder Woman (Mental Powers) (DU) - Superspeed, superstrength, telepathy
Sebastian Faust (DM) - Mage
Midnighter (DR) - Battle precog, enhanced abilities, martial arts
Quicksilver (DR) - Superspeed

VS.

The Polka Dot Fuchsia Lantern Corps
Captain Atom (Wildstorm) (DU) - Super-strength/speed/durability, energy and radiation manipulation, flight, technopathy, transmutation
X-Man (MU) - Vast psionic abilities enabling super-strength/speed/durability, energy projection, telepathy, telekinesis, transmutation, flight
Aquaman (DM) - Super-strength/speed/durability, telepathy, shapeshifting water hand that cancels magic and heals
Nemesis (Charis) (DR) - Super-strength/speed/durability, empathy, indestructible swords
Patriarch (MR) - Super-strength/speed/durability, teleportation

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The Immortals
Xavier Juggernaut (MU) - Superstrength, Invulnerability, Unstoppable, Extremely Powerful Telepath, Genius
"Burnt Offering" Cable (MU) - Extremely powerful telepathy, telekinesis, regenerative ability, superspeed of thought
Brainiac 417 (DM) - Genius from the future, Intangibility, Technopath
"Death"Wolverine (MR) - Regenerative healing, indestructible skeleton and claws, armor which grants cloaking and short rang teleportation and increased durability. Sword which cuts through most material and fires energy blasts
Midnighter (DR) - computer-enhanced brain that allows for enhanced reflexes as well as plotting possible moves an enemy can make, enhanced strength and speed, regenerative healing

VS.

Yancy Street Gang
Green Lantern (DU) Power Ring limited only by imagination and will.
Flash (DU) Superspeed.
Invisible Woman (MM) Invisibility. Force Fields.
Mr. Fantastic (MR) Genius, Elasticity, Gadgets
Valkyrie (MR) Super Strength. Ebony Blade. Magical Spear. Thick Skin. Godly Fighting Skills. Winged Steed. Death Precognition.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Prep Time

Wundagore Mountain.

Reed recognizes the area immediately. He has been here before and has even used the tech in The Citadel because of the encounter with Franklin the Evolutionary had. He uses his computer from his suit to interface. With the tech at hand he can prepare quite a bit. He builds a device based on Doom's tech that will drain the powers of the Silver Surfer. He builds two gloves and gives them to Barry Allen. He then prepares scramblers for the rest of the team. This will shield and cloak the minds of the team from telepathy. In preparation for Brainiac, Reed uses the vast tech available to also build a Null Field based on the one Annihilus built in the Baxter Building. This field was useful in disrupting technology (similar to phasing) and in shutting down anyone who phased through it. Nothing can move when it is penetrated. Not even Mjolnir was immune to the Null Fields power.

Once this field is in place around the Yancy Street's base, the others are equipped with activators. The Null Field will be the perfect trap for Brainiac or anyone else who penetrates the base. The Invisible Woman will remain behind with Reed in the base.

The Battle

Green Lantern vs. Cable

Green Lantern equips himself and the Flash with his patented Anti-Psi Helmets. He then uses the FF Communicator to talk to Flash and hopefully they can track down their Uber enemies. He also uses his Invisibility to try and find Cable. His attack will be a major assault. Stealth attacks. Phasing for suprise. Duplicates. Sheer power. Green Lantern takes out Cable because without his Mind Powers, Cable doesn't have the multifaceted attack that Hal does.

Flash vs. Silver Surfer

Barry will use the gloves that Reed made him to drain the Surfer's Power Cosmic. With his superspeed he should be able to position himself in the best way possible to do this. If that means vibrating and keeping off the Surfer's radar then that's what he'll do. His attack will happen as soon as the match starts and as soon as he can find him. This is key because he has to engage the Surfer quickly. Barry drains the Surfer.

Valkyrie vs Midnighter

This time she stays on Aragorn. She will use her spear and sword and throw boulders if she has too this time. If that doesn't work then she'll overpower Midnighter the same way she did in a previous match. She's got Midnighter's number. She's faced him before now. Strength will win the day.

Sue and Reed vs Brainiac 417 and Death Wolverine

Sue and Reed will stay at the base until they are attacked or the others win their battle and return. If the others win first then the match is all but won. The gangup will commence. But if anyone attacks the base such as Death Wolverine and Brainiac then their contingency will kick in. Sue can turn the invisible visible.

If Wolverine or Brainiac are foolish enough to approach the base then Sue will use her force fields to suffocate Wolverine or press against his brain to cause him to pass out. If Brainiac attacks she will attempt to contain him first then use her tried and true methods. She will of course be invisible for these attacks.

If none of this works then Reed will attempt to use his Null Field trap. This will freeze Brainiac or anyone else who steps within the circle. Why does Reed's tech work when Brainiac is actively trying to stop him? One reason is the Invisible Woman. She can hide alot of hardware. Another is the fact that Reed is on home turf here. Another is that I think Reed is smarter.

Reed and Sue use their superior teamwork to defeat these two people who don't know each other like they do. Just like Hal and Barry use their teamwork to defeat Surfer and Cable.


This match is won by the Yancy Street Gang because teamwork always triumphs over evil.




:gl:

 

[Alex The Great]

Go Aunty?

 

[Ahura Mazda]

I switched out Xavier for Silver Surfer, can that please be corrected. If it was not valid, I need to know ASAP. Thank you.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

This write up is based on Silver Surfer being in the team:

The team forms and each is familiar with each other having teamed a few times before.

They decide on a strategy which revolves around an all out attack on their opponents of the day. Flash will clearly be a problem as Brainiac explains all his strengths and weaknesses per his extensive files and knowledge of the DC universe.

Brainiac also provides all with a flight ring and an instant means of communications, as well as giving the others a version of his own shield, albeit a less effective one as he speends most of the time hacking into the network of Wundagore.

As such Brainiac establishes traps throughout the High Evolutionary's Citadel as well as teleportation pods. He does not have too much of a problem with the technology which he finds for his great intellect somewhat rudimentary.

When the battle commences....


Flash before the first second is through hits Silver Surfer and Cable. But is surprised when he notices a shield is in place. The hits are however felt through the shields. The green lantern at the same time strikes out at the Silver Surfer who responds in kind using the power cosmic. The mountain trembles as the energies released cause damage to the place...

Cable who reacts very quickly attempts to mentally locate the Flash who pummels his shield and who seems to be impossibly two places at once. However, he who has already battled a person at the speed of light and Flash has no defence from his mental telepathy except for his speed. However he does encounter some resistance and notic es his brain is fighting his own commands as certain processes are sped up as others shortenned. At the same time Cable does get through and a battle which has lasted a mere 15 seconds even though it seemed like an eternity is over as the Flash goes down to a mind blast which shuts his own down. Cable however feels the pain and his head hurts tremendously as he heals from the damage that was done. When it does he goes to help the Silver Surfer.

Brainiac 417 with Midnighter and Death are attacked by their opponents. The Invisble Women attempts to knock them all out as Valkyrie sits and awaits. This fails however as her force field cannot penetrate theirs. And she is surprised when she sees Wolverine suddenly teleport as he atacks Valkyrie. He was hoping to surprise her but fails as she is quicker then he expected. However, the battle is apt and wolverine holds his own as he heals from the tremendous damage that is inflicted upon him even through his armour. Valkyrie does not let up but she notices she has scratches as well as he and those heal allot more slowly.

Midnighter and Brainiac fight together against the couple formed by Sue and her husband. Brainiac uses his traps in such ways to make Mr. Fantatstic realises he is facing someone who is more intelligent then he. IW uses her shields in such a way as to make Midnighter wionder how he can pull a win. He needs all his senses just to survive. He does his best and is able to take her into one of the traps set up by Brainiac which when activited sends her througha teleportation tube and back and forth she goes without rematerialising. Mr. fantastic attempts to free her almsot immediately and gets trapped himself with a force field that leaves no room for anything.....but somehow there is still an everlasting supply of Oxygen. Reed wonders how that can be.


They go to fight Valkyrie who has Wolverine down and are somewhat at a stalemate.....


Cable and Silver Surfer together fight the Green lanetrn who is somehwat awed by the combined might of both as they attack his from all sides and whereas he started this battle on the offensive finds he is now on the defensive barely holding out against both these guys. Eventually the razor sharp board breaks through impaling him even as he is defending against a mental attack by Cable and a Power Cosmic attack by the Silver Surfer. He goes down and the Cable goes to help their teammates as Silver Sufer loses interest in the others.

With Cable's help, Valkyrie is subdued and thankfully before Cthon comes to destroy all of them.

Immortals Win

 

[wiegeabo]

I switched out Xavier for Silver Surfer, can that please be corrected. If it was not valid, I need to know ASAP. Thank you.

Sorry about that. It should be the Surfer. I just haven't been able to keep everything updated.

 

[Alex The Great]

Nice Write up mazda. Though I think Mr. Fantastic could own Midnighter.

 

[Aristotle]

Nice Write up mazda. Though I think Mr. Fantastic could own Midnighter.

Dawg, you trippin'. But my avatar does like your avatar.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Here's some rebuttal for Ahura.


I thought that the Legion Rings were very hard to make. At least they are for the Waid run of Legion. I don't know if this applies to Brainiac 1 Million or not but I know they are extremely hard to duplicate for regular Brainiac.

Basic shield belts I can see Brainy making for them, but prolly not as good as his own.


Anywho. Just some first thoughts.


:gl:

 

[Aristotle]

Prep Time
Since the PDFL Corps has the slight advantage on speed, Faust sets up his network of teleportals all over the mountain, each one keyed to activate only for team members, and visible only to team members, as well as color-coded to identify different routes. He also lays traps, although, with a battleground the size of Wundagore, he can't hope to blanket the area. He instead chooses key strategic locations, near teleportals, so that team members can try to steer the battle towards these traps. The traps are keyed to respond to any intrusion except the team members, and are visible only to team members.

The ubers are actually very well-matched for the Authorititans. Wonder Woman is fairly evenly matched with X-Man, boasting a very similar powerset from a very similar source (vast psionic power.) Superman-16, however, has a significant edge on Captain Atom. While Atom boasts the powers of transmutation and technopathy, Superman-16 has superior levels of all the rest of Atom's powers, and his quantum telekinesis can deal easily with attempts to transmute him.

To deal with the threat of technopathy, Superman and Midnighter construct a massive EMP, to be detonated in the Citadel the moment battle starts, while Faust magically shields the Authorititans from the impact, in order to protect Midnighter's brain.

Aquaman presents a unique challenge, because of his magic cancellation. The key will be to catch him by surprise. Faust magically shields the team from telepathy to aid in this.

Finally, Midnighter and Superman craft some heavy-duty weaponry from Citadel tech, for use by Midnighter and Faust, in case of need.

 

[Aristotle]

Battle Time
As planned, the first move the Authorititans make is Superman-16's delivery of the EMP to the citadel. He detonates it and obliterates the tech of the Citadel and the tech on the rest of the mountain. Immediately following this, he and Wonder Woman engage X-Man and Captain Atom. Faust locates the Corps quickly with scrying. Quicksilver slams into Aquaman and batters him quickly before grabbing him bodily and hauling him away. Faust teleports Midnighter in, teleports himself in, and then teleports himself and Patriarch out. And all that's left in the area formerly occupied by the PDFLC are Midnighter and Nemesis.

Midnighter vs. Nemesis
Midnighter's battle precog quickly calculates a plan of action. He fires off a few rounds from an energy weapon, and then engages. The battle is difficult. Nemesis has the superior powerset, but Midnighter can gauge her moves before she makes them. Slowly but surely, he maneuvers the battle downhill towards a ready teleportal. At the right moment, he grabs Nemesis by the neck and tackles her into the portal. They tumble out hundreds of yards away. Disoriented, Nemesis is vulnerable for a moment. Midnighter kicks her hard, straight into a trap that sears her soul, burns her body, degenerates her flesh, and blasts her with magical energy. She's out.

Faust vs. Patriarch
Patriarch attempts to evade Faust and get the drop on him, but Faust keeps a magical eye on him, constantly scrying and maintaining his own teleportation to give chase. Realizing that evasion is futile, Patriarch moves into a straight-ahead engagement positioning, hoping to overpower his magical opponent.

But Faust is more than ready. His magical shields hold against Patriarch's attacks, and Patriarch isn't prepared for his counterattacks. Faust knocks Patriarch on his heels with an energy blast, and teleports both of them rapidly around the mountain. Patriarch attempts to gain control of his situation, but every time he tries to teleport, Faust teleports him first, keeping him off-balance and disoriented. Finally, Faust deposits him in a trap. Patriarch rolls out quickly, dazed and damaged. Faust is ready with the final blows, wrapping up the fight.

Quicksilver vs. Aquaman
Aquaman quickly wrestles out of Quicksilver's grip and socks the speedster hard upside the face. Quicksilver retreats back and darts away at superspeed to regroup. He returns again to harry Aquaman. Aquaman has superspeed, but it's not as fast as Quicksilver's; Aquaman can't run on water, he can just swim fast in it. He can stay in this fight, but he can't get control of it, particularly as Quicksilver maneuvers him into teleportal after teleportal, keeping him disoriented. Eventually, he catches on to the tactic and begins fighting erratically, not allowing Quicksilver to control the direction of combat. Watching where he's being directed, Aquaman forcibly moves the fight in opposite directions. Still, he's already weakened and dazed by the maneuver, and Quicksilver has him at a disadvantage due to the speed factor. Quicksilver is hampered by a lack of superspeed to land a KO punch, but his superspeed packs enough concussive force to damage Aquaman. With a mountain full of prepared magical tricks (which Aquaman can't see, and therefore can't anticipate enough to cancel) from Faust at his disposal, as well as a clear speed advantage and magical psi-shielding, Quicksilver has the edge in the fight. Teamwork for the win.

 

[Aristotle]

Ubers
Wonder Woman immediately generates numerous images of herself. Just for a moment, it catches the Corps' ubers off balance. It's the moment the Authorititans need. Wonder Woman launches an all-out psychic barrage on Captain Atom, physically bombarding him as well, hitting him with everything she has physically and telepathically. Superman, meanwhile, rams into X-Man.

X-Man blasts Superman with energy beams, but Superman just grabs them and slashes X-Man across the face with them, burning into the mutant with his own heat vision. Sensing the fight tipping in the wrong direction, X-Man goes on an all-out counteroffensive, hitting Superman with everything he's got. Superman neatly sidesteps the attack with superior superspeed and clouts X-Man across the back of the head. While X-Man possesses an impressive arsenal of powers, Superman has much greater speed, and the ability to literally turn several of X-Man's powers against him by turning intangible things into tangible weapons. Coupled with Superman's own superior strength and power, this puts X-Man at the severe disadvantage.

Wonder Woman surrounds Captain Atom with image projections, and although only she does damage, he has no way of figuring out which one is real before she inevitably switches positions. Captain Atom, therefore, is essentially attacking nothing at every turn, while Wonder Woman's blows hit home every time, from different angles. Coupled with a psychic assault that X-Man is far too busy to try and shield him from, this puts Atom on the ropes.

With their opponents on the outs, Wonder Woman and Superman switch partners. Superman laces into the beleaguered Captain Atom with overwhelming heat vision and physical attacks, while Wonder Woman keeps X-Man at bay with a coordinated telepathic and physical assault. Superman's onslaught is simply going to be too much for Captain Atom to deal with, particularly in an already-disoriented and battered state. Once Atom is down, that leaves Superman and Wonder Woman both free to deal with X-Man, and the matchup will prove to be too much for him.

Authorititans, 5-0.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

My Rebuttal:

Green Lantern vs. Cable

Green Lantern equips himself and the Flash with his patented Anti-Psi Helmets. He then uses the FF Communicator to talk to Flash and hopefully they can track down their Uber enemies. He also uses his Invisibility to try and find Cable. His attack will be a major assault. Stealth attacks. Phasing for suprise. Duplicates. Sheer power. Green Lantern takes out Cable because without his Mind Powers, Cable doesn't have the multifaceted attack that Hal does.

First off, I do not see the battles going this way as you may note I wrote it the other way, with the Green Lantern squaring off against the Silver Surfer but I will go along with that. Second, how does he have these anti-psi helmets with him. Does he build them on his base? And where does this invisibility come from? Does Sue use it on the ubers effectively making it as an attack on the ubers by a Med? Third, this is the same Cable that was able to battle effectively the Silver Surfer without the use of his telepathy and also lets not forget he can telekinetically effect the Psi-helmets if Hal even has access to them which I doubt.

Flash vs. Silver Surfer

Barry will use the gloves that Reed made him to drain the Surfer's Power Cosmic. With his superspeed he should be able to position himself in the best way possible to do this. If that means vibrating and keeping off the Surfer's radar then that's what he'll do. His attack will happen as soon as the match starts and as soon as he can find him. This is key because he has to engage the Surfer quickly. Barry drains the Surfer.

I see where you are going with this but first lets not forget that this Silver Surfer is not the same as the Silver Surfer from the 616 Universe. Would the gloves even work given the Galactus who created him had a whole another purpose and therefore the energy he had was not obtainned through drainning planets.

And second, you do realise the Silver Surfer will be in the air as far away as possible from any surface so how does Barry get to him?

Third, he has shields and such and what is he going to do just wait and let Flash do what he wants.

Valkyrie vs Midnighter

This time she stays on Aragorn. She will use her spear and sword and throw boulders if she has too this time. If that doesn't work then she'll overpower Midnighter the same way she did in a previous match. She's got Midnighter's number. She's faced him before now. Strength will win the day.

This is not the same Midnighter but if those are the rules then she will know who she is facing. I honestly do not see Midnighter taking her out on his own but I do not see this as a short battle either given he can predict her moves before they happen as well as having a tremendous regenerative power.

Sue and Reed vs Brainiac 417 and Death Wolverine

Sue and Reed will stay at the base until they are attacked or the others win their battle and return. If the others win first then the match is all but won. The gangup will commence. But if anyone attacks the base such as Death Wolverine and Brainiac then their contingency will kick in. Sue can turn the invisible visible.

If Wolverine or Brainiac are foolish enough to approach the base then Sue will use her force fields to suffocate Wolverine or press against his brain to cause him to pass out. If Brainiac attacks she will attempt to contain him first then use her tried and true methods. She will of course be invisible for these attacks.

If none of this works then Reed will attempt to use his Null Field trap. This will freeze Brainiac or anyone else who steps within the circle. Why does Reed's tech work when Brainiac is actively trying to stop him? One reason is the Invisible Woman. She can hide alot of hardware. Another is the fact that Reed is on home turf here. Another is that I think Reed is smarter.

Reed and Sue use their superior teamwork to defeat these two people who don't know each other like they do. Just like Hal and Barry use their teamwork to defeat Surfer and Cable.

There are several points I would like to discuss here but the main one is that you think Reed is smarter. Reed is a genius but he does not have super-human intelligence. Brainiac 417 is a being whos is definned by his intelligence which is beyond that of Brainiac 5 plus he comes from the 843rd century which means his basis of education should be beyond Reed's understanding.

Second, she cannot contain him with force fields because he is a spirit.

I would also suggest that he would have set a few traps himself but of course you seem to have forgotten those.

Apart from all those, in what world would Death just barge in without using his cloaking device which was enough to fool all the X-Men. Plus why in the hell would Brainiac charge in anyway. He would have laid traps and I personally would hope that he is more intelligent by far then Reed and Sue especially if we accept atht he has the pwoers that were indicated for him.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Here's some rebuttal for Ahura.


I thought that the Legion Rings were very hard to make. At least they are for the Waid run of Legion. I don't know if this applies to Brainiac 1 Million or not but I know they are extremely hard to duplicate for regular Brainiac.

Basic shield belts I can see Brainy making for them, but prolly not as good as his own.


Anywho. Just some first thoughts.

Brainiac 417 is more intelligent plus itwould be very probable that he would carry the flight rings with him as he knows they would be useful in every occassion.

Regarding the shield belts, I had in my write up that they wre not as powerful as his own, but they had enough use to offer some protection.

But they are used only lightly as Cable has his own telekinetic shield powerful enough to let X-Man battle the Hulk.

 

[Franklin Richards]

My Rebuttal:



First off, I do not see the battles going this way as you may note I wrote it the other way, with the Green Lantern squaring off against the Silver Surfer but I will go along with that. Second, how does he have these anti-psi helmets with him. Does he build them on his base? And where does this invisibility come from? Does Sue use it on the ubers effectively making it as an attack on the ubers by a Med? Third, this is the same Cable that was able to battle effectively the Silver Surfer without the use of his telepathy and also lets not forget he can telekinetically effect the Psi-helmets if Hal even has access to them which I doubt.

Hal can turn invisible. He started that back in Green Lantern #31. I don't have a pic.

I see where you are going with this but first lets not forget that this Silver Surfer is not the same as the Silver Surfer from the 616 Universe. Would the gloves even work given the Galactus who created him had a whole another purpose and therefore the energy he had was not obtainned through drainning planets.

And second, you do realise the Silver Surfer will be in the air as far away as possible from any surface so how does Barry get to him?

Third, he has shields and such and what is he going to do just wait and let Flash do what he wants.

First : The Power Cosmic is the Power Cosmic in any verse. Just like the Speedforce is the Speedforce in any verse. If we start differentiating then the Speedforce doesn't even exist in the Marvel 616. I don't think that's a road we want to go down.

Second : Barry Allen can run on air for limited time. Using vibration and air pockets. If push comes to shove Hal will build a bridge to him.

Third : Surfer usually doesn't keep shields up. And if he does Barry can just throw a million things at it in a second. It will come down. Or he can put alot of mass in his 100 tons punch thing.

This is not the same Midnighter but if those are the rules then she will know who she is facing. I honestly do not see Midnighter taking her out on his own but I do not see this as a short battle either given he can predict her moves before they happen as well as having a tremendous regenerative power.

Well like you said. She will win.

There are several points I would like to discuss here but the main one is that you think Reed is smarter. Reed is a genius but he does not have super-human intelligence. Brainiac 417 is a being whos is definned by his intelligence which is beyond that of Brainiac 5 plus he comes from the 843rd century which means his basis of education should be beyond Reed's understanding.

Second, she cannot contain him with force fields because he is a spirit.

I would also suggest that he would have set a few traps himself but of course you seem to have forgotten those.

Apart from all those, in what world would Death just barge in without using his cloaking device which was enough to fool all the X-Men. Plus why in the hell would Brainiac charge in anyway. He would have laid traps and I personally would hope that he is more intelligent by far then Reed and Sue especially if we accept atht he has the pwoers that were indicated for him.

First : I think Reed is smarter. I could list off his accomplishments too. This is for the reader to decide. And I give him the edge because he's on hometurf so to speak. He's worked with the High Evolutionary before. There is no "getting to know you" phase of interpreting the Evvy's tech.

Second : Are we sure he cannot be contained by a force field? If not the Null Field Reed uses should work. Nothing moves inside of it. Not the Vision. Not Thor's Hammer.

As for traps they are irrelevant as Reed and Sue are waiting in their own base. Only a few things can happen. Hal and Barry win and then it's gang up time. The others could attack our base because they want to or because my ubers lost. In which case Sue and Reed utilize their traps. As for your traps, Reed is doing his best to counter those while the Ubers fight and he and Sue are holed up in the base.

As for Death's cloaking device, I thought I made it clear that Sue can decloak him. After that she's proven that she can take out Wolverine.

:gl:

 

[Alex The Great]

Dawg, you trippin'. But my avatar does like your avatar.

Nope, Midnighter is a robot cyborg right? Reed could kill a robot with Stray Lint and Pubic Hair. In all seriosnes though, Reed would destroy Midknighter. Plus, Sue could have easily made a forcefeild inside of the robot and make him explode

 

[Aristotle]

Midnighter is very much not a robot cyborg. He's a dude with a slightly computerized brain. Mostly, however, is superpower is that he is THE BADASS.

By the way, everybody, Obama won. Mother****erz, we won this s***.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Si se puede!


:gl:

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Hal can turn invisible. He started that back in Green Lantern #31. I don't have a pic.

Ok I did not know that but Cable and the Silver Surfer would know where he was in any case given their awareness of the environment.

First : The Power Cosmic is the Power Cosmic in any verse. Just like the Speedforce is the Speedforce in any verse. If we start differentiating then the Speedforce doesn't even exist in the Marvel 616. I don't think that's a road we want to go down.

First off I do not quite agree given the glactus who empowerred this Silver Surfer was creating worlds not eating them therefore his source of energy was different and it can be assumed so was the output. Dr. Doom created whatever he did in one instance which were then never used again. You are now assuming Reed is able to create them when he did not before in 24 hours using what could be the wrong materials.

Second : Barry Allen can run on air for limited time. Using vibration and air pockets. If push comes to shove Hal will build a bridge to him.

A limited time is the key and the Silver Surfer can be flying interminabaly. He also can travel at the speed of light.

Third : Surfer usually doesn't keep shields up. And if he does Barry can just throw a million things at it in a second. It will come down. Or he can put alot of mass in his 100 tons punch thing.

The Silver Surfer is aware of who he is facing and also lets not forget the belts Brainiac provides. he would have shields in place at the instant he gets his power back.

Regarding Valkyrie, what i said is that Midnighter would be able to prolong the battle long enough for others to help him.

First : I think Reed is smarter. I could list off his accomplishments too. This is for the reader to decide. And I give him the edge because he's on hometurf so to speak. He's worked with the High Evolutionary before. There is no "getting to know you" phase of interpreting the Evvy's tech.

Second : Are we sure he cannot be contained by a force field? If not the Null Field Reed uses should work. Nothing moves inside of it. Not the Vision. Not Thor's Hammer.

This is a point cannot agree with because the main power of Brainiac 417 is his intelligence which is beyond anything in that universe and yet you claim a human being who albeit is a genius can be more intelligent then a creature who lost the need even for a body because his intelligence had evolved so far.

Next, having worked with the High Evolutionary (HE) before does not make you an expert on the HE and his technology or reed would have been just as powerful as him.

As for traps they are irrelevant as Reed and Sue are waiting in their own base. Only a few things can happen. Hal and Barry win and then it's gang up time. The others could attack our base because they want to or because my ubers lost. In which case Sue and Reed utilize their traps. As for your traps, Reed is doing his best to counter those while the Ubers fight and he and Sue are holed up in the base.

Then I guess we would have a stand off because Brainiac would not be stupid enough to rush into a place which could be full of traps. the other thing I wuold like to note is both would have set traps for each other so really the question is which one was more intelligent; the alien being from the 843rd century of the DC universe who is part of super team solely based on his super intelligence or a human from the 20th century who is a genius.

As for Death's cloaking device, I thought I made it clear that Sue can decloak him. After that she's proven that she can take out Wolverine.

He has celestial technology which allows him to be cloaked. how is she aware of where he is or how is cloaking is done to just de-cloak him. Sue is not cosmically aware and is very vulnerable.

 

[Aristotle]

Si se puede!


:gl:

Yes we can? No. Not anymore. Yes we did, *****ez!

 

[Franklin Richards]

Ok I did not know that but Cable and the Silver Surfer would know where he was in any case given their awareness of the environment.

The invisibility is just a diversionary tactic. It seems it might work. While Cable and Surfer are scanning, Hal and Barry are whoopin' ass.

First off I do not quite agree given the glactus who empowerred this Silver Surfer was creating worlds not eating them therefore his source of energy was different and it can be assumed so was the output. Dr. Doom created whatever he did in one instance which were then never used again. You are now assuming Reed is able to create them when he did not before in 24 hours using what could be the wrong materials.

It's still the Power Cosmic. And trust me, Reed can build it in less than 24 hours. That's what he does. Most of the time he has to build something while Sue, Johnny, and Ben are fighting someone. That's ten minutes.

A limited time is the key and the Silver Surfer can be flying interminabaly. He also can travel at the speed of light.

If the Surfer is just flying around avoiding the battle then we've won. Hal is taking out Cable at the same time. So the more Surfer avoids fighting the more likely he'll have to face Hal and Barry.

The Silver Surfer is aware of who he is facing and also lets not forget the belts Brainiac provides. he would have shields in place at the instant he gets his power back.

All Barry needs is an instant. And unless you've got a precog Norrin won't know the drain is coming.

Regarding Valkyrie, what i said is that Midnighter would be able to prolong the battle long enough for others to help him.

I believe Valkyrie has Midnighter's number considering she's already clocked his fighting style.

This is a point cannot agree with because the main power of Brainiac 417 is his intelligence which is beyond anything in that universe and yet you claim a human being who albeit is a genius can be more intelligent then a creature who lost the need even for a body because his intelligence had evolved so far.

Next, having worked with the High Evolutionary (HE) before does not make you an expert on the HE and his technology or reed would have been just as powerful as him.

You seem to think that the future of another planet automatically makes them smarter. Time is irrelevant when talking about another planet. Cultures advance in different timelines and specific instances. Reed is from Earth. In both Universes the Earth is a special place. A nexus for probability and power. Things that come from that planet are numerous and powerful. Even the High Evolutionary wouldn't be so bad if wasn't from Earth. Reed is the brightest point of intelligence on that planet. He's Da Vinci, Einstein, Hawking, and Mozart all rolled up in one. The Leader had to be gamma mutated just to get to Reed's ballpark. People like Doom, Stark, and Banner fight science. They attack their mind and work it until they squeeze the solution from it. Reed takes dictation.

Don't discount the power of Reed Richard's mind.

Then I guess we would have a stand off because Brainiac would not be stupid enough to rush into a place which could be full of traps. the other thing I wuold like to note is both would have set traps for each other so really the question is which one was more intelligent; the alien being from the 843rd century of the DC universe who is part of super team solely based on his super intelligence or a human from the 20th century who is a genius.

I believe that my strategy is the winning one when it comes to a standoff.

He has celestial technology which allows him to be cloaked. how is she aware of where he is or how is cloaking is done to just de-cloak him. Sue is not cosmically aware and is very vulnerable.

Sue turned a space fleet visible. Galactus was going to kidnap her one time because she was the only being in the verse who could turn the invisible visible at her power level. He wanted her to reveal a planet.

Sue can turn Wolverine visible.


:gl:

 

[Aristotle]

I believe Valkyrie has Midnighter's number considering she's already clocked his fighting style.

Shoulda voted for me, Ahura. If you had, Valkyrie's only experience with Midnighter would have been getting an exploding rocket ship flown into her ass. Exploding rocket ships, Ahura. Exploding rocket ships. And instead, you chose the agony of defeat.

 

[Alex The Great]

Midnighter is very much not a robot cyborg. He's a dude with a slightly computerized brain. Mostly, however, is superpower is that he is THE BADASS.

By the way, everybody, Obama won. Mother****erz, we won this s***.

1. Did not know that, But I Still think Fantastic COULD if he had the right gadgets
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[Aristotle]

I think gadgetry is kind of overrated, and it's really too much of a wild card for me. Essentially, all someone has to do is have Reed Richards build a MIDNIGHTER-KILLING-GUN, and they win that fight. I mean, really? I think it's cheap, and I'll never vote for that kind of tactic. Am I basically writing off genius/gadgetry as a battle technique? Absolutely, except in the most FULLY justified situations. I've used it myself, and I feel like it was fair and appropriate usage, usage I would have voted for, but I also know that most of the time, it's just a cheap writer's tactic. We can thank Stan Lee's intellectual bankruptcy and stylistic laziness for the existence of this problem in modern comics, but I don't think we have to import it to the DTL.

 

[DTL Commish]

Voting is now open