Sci-Fi Dune

[TMP98]

I don't see it being a big success anyway

How is this a good thing? Denis Villeneuve is easily one of the best directors working today, shouldn't we hope this is a success?

 

[TheVileOne]

I still don't see the point in making Liet a woman. It's an arbitrary perfunctory change. IMHO it changes the dynamic of a lot of the relationships. I think it was important to show a male Fremen who was more of a forward thinker and not as close-minded as some of his other brethren.

I don't really see what it adds to the story since Dune is actually filled with what I would call strong heroines and female figures. At the very least, in my opinion, there's a lot of characters in the books who are complex and multi-faceted who are women.

You have Chani, Jessica Atreides, Princess Irulan, Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam, and later on you have Alia Atreides, and Ghanima Atreides. Much later on there's Siona Atreides.

 

[TheVileOne]

It is a patriarchal society where men find power more easily, for sure. But there is nothing to indicate a woman being in a leadership position is unreasonable (the Fremen do bow to their Reverend Mothers, after all), nor would accepting that element change any of the dynamics of the story, characters, or their relationships. It sounds like people who inexplicably against this are projecting their own ideals into this story.

The Bene Gesserit and Paul retaining their genders are in fact more important to the story and their characters. As you will notice, their genders have been maintained and Liet Kynes is neither Paul or a Bene Gesserit.

Fremen are definitely patriarchal while there are women warriors and fighters. I think changing to Liet to a woman changes a lot of the dynamics.

Also, if she's a woman, it means fridging which people always complain about.

 

[FVD]

Again, I'm calling fake news on this clickbait article. Reminds me of a recent Final Fantasy VII Remake post some troll made that news outlets began speculating on it. Soon after, the supposed leaker made it all up to rile up readers. Liet will remain a male - I'll put money on it!

Now regarding Feyd, I'm now of the mind that they probably (or have already) cast an unknown actor with martial art skills on the level of Ray Park or Scott Adkins, just a much younger actor. Feyd doesn't really say much in the book anyway, so I don't think we'll need a recognisable name playing a character who will have roughly 15 minutes of screentime IMHO?!

 

[Deck Rickard]

Yeah, we in the gay community are really adamant about continuing to claim Vladimir Harkonnen as one of our own.

LOL!

Marsha P. Johnson
Harvey Milk
Edith Windsor
The Babadook
Vladimir Harkonnen

THESE HEROES PAVED THE WAY

 

[Pink Ranger]

LOL!

Marsha P. Johnson
Harvey Milk
Edith Windsor
The Babadook
Vladimir Harkonnen

THESE HEROES PAVED THE WAY

You forgot Perez Hilton, Pim Fortuyn and Tila Tequila.

 

[Deck Rickard]

You forgot Perez Hilton, Pim Fortuyn and Tila Tequila.

Is Tila Tequila still a Nazi or did she go back to fighting the evil alien overlords who killed and revived her seven times?

 

[Pink Ranger]

Is Tila Tequila still a Nazi or did she go back to fighting the evil alien overlords who killed and revived her seven times?

I think in a post-credits scene she's seen sitting on a pile of eggs, one of which is quaking before the screen fades to black.

 

[Motown Marvel]

Fremen are definitely patriarchal while there are women warriors and fighters. I think changing to Liet to a woman changes a lot of the dynamics.

Also, if she's a woman, it means fridging which people always complain about.

I can't imagine any dynamics relevant to the characters or story which actually would require changing if Liet is made a woman. Also, fridging is when a female character is killed simply to give motivation to a male character. That is not the case here. There is already animosity between the factions, Liet is simply a casualty of war.

 

[Pink Ranger]

I can't imagine any dynamics relevant to the characters or story which actually would require changing if Liet is made a woman. Also, fridging is when a female character is killed simply to give motivation to a male character. That is not the case here. There is already animosity between the factions, Liet is simply a casualty of war.

Sums up my feelings pretty much. While I am not a fan of changing genders just so little girls can now dream of careers in Imperial Planetology, changing Dr. Kynes to a woman is so inconsequential that I can't get worked up about it.

 

[TheVileOne]

I can't imagine any dynamics relevant to the characters or story which actually would require changing if Liet is made a woman. Also, fridging is when a female character is killed simply to give motivation to a male character. That is not the case here. There is already animosity between the factions, Liet is simply a casualty of war.

So killing Liet isn't going to give motivation to the main characters?

 

[green]

Never heard of this site so I'm skeptical. But this would be a very very bad sign if true.

Gender politics are a huge part of the Duniverse so you can't just gender-swap willy nilly. Fremen society at this point would never have a female leader. You would have to completely change their culture for this to happen.

This 100%.
I can't see how they will make the Paul/Jamis/Harah situation work if the leader of the Fremen is a woman.

 

[Sithborg]

Yeah, the gender politics is a bit outdated. Changing them would be a good thing. I am quite certain they will drop the Harah bit.

 

[green]

So do they change Jessica from being a concubine who was given to Leto by the Bene Gesserit?
Changing things is a slippery slope to play with.

 

[Motown Marvel]

So killing Liet isn't going to give motivation to the main characters?

The animosity between the Fremen and the Harkonnen's already exists when Liet is killed and would continue to exist regardless of their death. Liet's death doesn't exist for the purpose of creating motivations of another character.

 

[James.B]

Warner Bros. Dates Baz Luhrmann ‘Elvis Presley’ Movie, Shifts ‘Dune’ & More

Warner Bros. on late Friday pushed Denis Villeneuve’s Dune by a month from Nov. 20, 2020 to Dec. 18, 2020.
The pic will receive an Imax release. The studio is still going to hold onto that Nov. 20 date for an untitled release.

 

[Micromind]

Warner Bros. Dates Baz Luhrmann ‘Elvis Presley’ Movie, Shifts ‘Dune’ & More

Warner Bros. on late Friday pushed Denis Villeneuve’s Dune by a month from Nov. 20, 2020 to Dec. 18, 2020.
The pic will receive an Imax release. The studio is still going to hold onto that Nov. 20 date for an untitled release.

Is this a good date for the movie ?

 

[green]

Unless other dates have changed it puts it up against Spielbergs West Side Story and Uncharted.
Not the best idea to me.

 

[DarkKnight88]

I doubt Uncharted makes that date.

 

[DarkKnight88]

Sounds like pre-2001 Lord of the Rings.

 

[TheVileOne]

What is everyone's realistic predictions for box office? Because I remain pessimistic. Neither the property nor the director have had any huge success before. And there are no major actors. Plus its a very difficult film to market.

Arrival did fairly well at the box office, but it also had about a fraction of the budget this movie will have.

I don't know how you turn Dune into a crowd-pleasing blockbuster, but we'll see. I think it is difficult material to market unless massive changes are made.

The problem with Dune is that the "heroes" of the story aren't really traditionally heroic. Paul Atreides does a lot of morally questionable things in this story. It has a lot of complex world-building, a lot of sci-fi weirdness.

Sounds like pre-2001 Lord of the Rings.

Dune has about as much in common with Lord of the Rings as Zack Snyder films to Robert Rodriguez ones.

I think the similarities are that they both have a lot of intense worldbuilding, they are serialized stories and epics in their respective genres. Dune is like this great sci-fi epic saga. Lord of the Rings is an epic fantasy saga. IMHO that's where their similarities end.

Except in Lord of the Rings, you have benevolent, pure of heart heroes who always try to do the right thing and generally almost always avoid try taking morally ambiguous or grey acts. It's generally about the battle of good against the ultimate evil.

There are points in Dune, where Paul basically himself is the big bad. I'm not sure if moviegoers will be able to come to grips with and accept that.

My point is? What does Lord of the Rings have going for it?

* You have some rugged handsome male leads and heroes
* Ragtag band of heroes who want to protect their homes and loved ones from dark evil creatures and an evil dark lord
* Bad guys who are basically just cruel evil, vile bad guys who want to rule and destroy and plunder and take over
* Mostly good guys who always strive to do the right thing. The ones who are corrupted or tempted by the powers of the ring are usually given a chance to redeem themselves.
* It's basically the pure medieval fantasy version of Star Wars at the end of the day. Dune does not have those qualities. Paul's journey is a lot darker and more twisted. It's not "fun."

 

[Pink Ranger]

If this movie is critically acclaimed, the audience will come. It won't pull Endgame level audiences, but if it's done well it will make money.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Stellan Skarsgard Says Warner Bros. Is Not Messing With Denis Villeneuve’s ‘Dune’ Vision

In a recent interview with Collider, “Dune” cast member Stellan Skarsgard promised fans that full creative control of “Dune” was in Villeneuve’s hands. The actor, who is playing the movie’s villainous Baron Vladimir Harkonnen, says Warner Bros. has not been getting in the way of Villeneuve’s vision, which should come as a relief to anyone worried a studio might be watching Villeneuve more closely after the “2049” flop.

“I’ve always wanted to work with him partly because he’s such a wonderful man, but also because he’s a brilliant director,” Skarsgard told Collider. “It’s fun when you get one of those big sci-fi movies and you know it’s going to be directed by a true filmmaker. It’s not going to be directed by the studio. It seemed like they were giving him pretty free hands. And you have to, because his personal stamp on the film is paramount for the success of it.”

Villeneuve appeared somewhat defeated after the “2049” release, telling The Telegraph, “Let’s just say it would not be a good idea for me to make a movie like that twice. When you’re working on a film you’re in a bubble, and it was only when I came out that I realized we had made a monster. I won’t do it again.”

Moviegoers wondered if Villeneuve’s comment meant he wouldn’t make another big-budget tentpole with an artistic vision, but it sounds like from Skarsgard that’s exactly what “Dune” is going to be next year.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Did this wrap?

 

[Sithborg]

I think realisticaly, $400 worldwide would be a success. Personally, I can see it doing $500 worldwide. We will see. Dune probably has a bigger fanbase than Blade Runner, and can probably be easier to market than Blade Runner.