Elder Scrolls V - Part 3

[Speedball]

If they were reviewing the console, of course that will be the case. The UI was designed for using it with a gamepad. But it is not good when you're using a mouse and keyboard.

AH! Did not know that and I haven't read a PC review, because it doesn't interest me. If I were able to get the game on the PC, I would read those reviews, and I'd be interested if I had a PC that wouldn't crash if I even attempted to put Skyrim on it.

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

I said I understand why PC people

Correct me if I am wrong, but are you actually saying you don't play on the pc? If this is the case, I don't understand why are you even commening on it? This outright makes you have no crediblity as far as i'm concerned. Seeing and using something are two diffrent things. Do you see me commenting on the Xbox360 or PS3 version in such a specific manner? No. Of course not.

An odd thing I have noticed reading this discussion, practically all negative responce has came from console others.
Very odd.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

I think this is appropriate...

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Correct me if I am wrong, but are you actually saying you don't play on the pc? If this is the case, I don't understand why are you even commening on it? This outright makes you have no crediblity as far as i'm concerned. Seeing and using something are two diffrent things. Do you see me commenting on the Xbox360 or PS3 version in such a specific manner? No. Of course not.

What was specific about Spider's post? From what I read, Spider was commenting on the visual clutter of the menu and the convenience factor of the search function. How is that opinion not valid in the slightest?

An odd thing I have noticed reading this discussion, practically all negative responce has came from console others.
Very odd.

Yet, I feel like maybe there is a lesson in there somewhere. I mean, what could it possibly be that causes non-PC gamers to respond negatively to your comments?

 

[Spider-Who?]

What was specific about Spider's post? From what I read, Spider was commenting on the visual clutter of the menu and the convenience factor of the search function. How is that opinion not valid in the slightest?

It's "not valid" because its an opinion that doesn't fully agree with his.

Yet, I feel like maybe there is a lesson in there somewhere. I mean, what could it possibly be that causes non-PC gamers to respond negatively to your comments?

Truly.

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Yet, I feel like maybe there is a lesson in there somewhere. I mean, what could it possibly be that causes non-PC gamers to respond negatively to your comments?

The entire discussion was specifically created by you commenting on it in a negative manner with people consequently defending it. This appears to be repeated behavior, Generally, something positive mentioned about pc, you specifically, react. To me, this would suggest insecurity of some form. I'v noticed it alot with certain other users and indeed other gaming centric forums. It's usually pretty easy to see through. I hope this answers your question. Don't take it as fact, obviously. I could well be wrong.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

I made a negative comment because the new menu looked cluttered and reminded me of the Oblivion or Fallout menu, which I didn't like.

I have said to you and everyone Spock, countless, countless times, I don't care if someone plays and enjoys the PC. But it's when someone is less about enthusiasm for their chosen platform and more negative about anything that ISN'T their platform or doesn't cater to their tastes.

What I've reacted to most is your complete and utter derision towards Bethesda, then calling them lazy over a UI? You made crass remarks about how they have facilities like Gyms etc and they CAN'T 'fix' a UI. Then you compared them to Da Vinci, saying it only took one guy to paint the Mona Lisa and 200 people couldn't get Skyrim right? You realise how utterly, utterly ridiculous that is?

The reason you might find so much negativity surrounding your posts is that it's all you give off. So much time and energy put into mocking games, the people who make them, other posters on here. I mean, you admitted to being judgemental towards Spider-Who purely because of a contrary opinion he/she had towards you one month ago.

Seriously, apply some logic to this. There is indeed a common factor towards all this negativity and I think if you looked at it, you'd see that factor is you.

Since you've singled me out and mentioned me a few times, I actually went back and looked at our post history together and it started exactly how i've seen it start with other people, with your negativity gradually breeding more and more contempt. You think I'm biased against PC gamers but honestly, you're the only PC gamer i've ever communicated with through any means, that I have found completely disagreeable and somehow I don't think I'm the only console gamer who you've had quarrels with, or indeed gamer in general. Again, perhaps think about what that means.

 

[Matt Mortem]

Wow, the last three pages of this thread have been....WOW. Spock is really having the time of his life.

Anyway, I have some actual Skyrim related business to discuss. Does anybody know how to initiate the Dark Brotherhood missions?

 

[Soapy]

Great. How about the basic absolute fundamentals?
You know, before Da Vinci painted the Mona Lisa and he done preliminarily sketches and other basic stuff before creating his grand wonderul picture. Why?

Common sense.

That was one guy. Bethesda is a studio with hundreds of guys. That fixed UI, was most likely, one guy.

You say "fixed" like it was broken or something. You just didn't care for it. There's a difference.

Whats content that doesn't exist yet have to do with... anything?

You called them lazy, and the scope of most of their DLC starting with Knights of the Nine is evidence to the contrary.

They could just release new skins or whatever, but instead they choose to make DLC with all new stories, characters, locations, weapons, armor, etc.

Yea they do. They had a specific sale allowing you to get a Team Fortress 2 hat for pre-ordering.

That's not at all what I was referring to and you know it.

So do most games. Alot of them more stable than Bethesda games at launch.

Again, Bethesda doesn't make most games. Most games are linear and heavily scripted, making it much easier to account for and eliminate bugs.

No one else makes games that are of the same size and scope of what Bethesda accomplishes. And even when it's attempted by other studios, they never turn out nearly as good.

I am not some single minority entity I'm sorry, that is not that case. As soon as the game was released, practically everyone, fans and critics alike, pointed out the UI as flawed. I'm also not the only person here who takes issue with it. So don't pin this specifically on me as whining for the sake of it. That is not the reality.

I didn't say you were the only one who didn't like it. You're just the only one bellyaching about it to this extent. Even on NeoGAF I haven't seen anyone complain about it as much you.

In fact, if I recall correctly, I specifically stated, months in advance, that the game would be buggy and consolized. I recall saying Dragon Age would also suffer the same fate. Everyone raged. But guess what? I was right. Happens alot.

I'm pretty sure Bethesda is open about using the 360 as lead platform. And for better or worse, Bethesda's games being buggy, like death and taxes, is just a fact of life. You didn't really predict anything we didn't already know.

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

. No one else makes games that are of the same size and scope of what Bethesda accomplishes. And even when it's attempted by other studios, they never turn out nearly as good.

That's debatable. Also, alot of the content in Skyrim is scripted and linear. In fact I'd say most of it is pretty restrictive in nature. The actual freedom of the game practically always amounts to combat. With the main story taking placing in mini-levels specifically pathed out in a linear manner. Alot of more enviromentally restrictive games tend to be less linear in gameplay. Shogun 2 is actually far less linear because you win through other means. It has more variables. A larger enviroment doesn't automatically mean less linear gameplay. It's (depending on how you look at it) one of the problems with World Of Warcraft as well. You are restricted and very much forced into a linear path regardless of the huge enviroments. It's more like an amusement park were you progress towards certian rides. With very minimal choice, always resulting in combat.

You called them lazy, and the scope of most of their DLC starting with Knights of the Nine is evidence to the contrary.

Actually, I repeatedly said lazy and/or incompetent. As obviously the terrible UI is a repeated occurrence. So it's one or the other as far as I'm concerned. Either they are making most of there money from console and banging out lazy ports on the pc or they are simple bad game designers. Thats pretty much what I put it down too. I don't really buy all this "they make lots of content so give them a free pass" either. An UI is very basic and fundimental thing. If they can't get that right, maybe they should restrict themselfs.

Regarding the DLC content (which is something I view as entirely separate) I basically regard this as an expansion pack. Something that use to be pretty common. I think part of the reason this has changed to, what basically amounts to selling mods, cutting out game content and so on... Is due to consoles becoming more predomant online. Rather than lazyness, it's simply greed. They have outright farmed every possible money making avenue and exploited it to it's fullest potentional Which usuaslly means lowering customer value.

I suspect in the future, the free2play model will become popular on consoles (as generally Pc>console is the nature of things) and greed will reach an astounding level. The point in which you are paying for chunks of game the totals 4-5 times the price of what a game would have cost before. But this is just guesswork

It's worth noting here as well, they are releasing these "expansion packs" on the Xbox360 ahead of time, most likely because Microsoft handed them a fat check. Thats about the worst kind of bonus you can get.

Also horse armour

 

[Speedball]

Wow, the last three pages of this thread have been....WOW. Spock is really having the time of his life.

Anyway, I have some actual Skyrim related business to discuss. Does anybody know how to initiate the Dark Brotherhood missions?

Spoiler

Go to Windhelm, find the house of Aventus Aretino, he wants you to kill Grelod the Kind in Riften

Or use this wiki page

oh, and

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

WOW. Spock is really having the time of his life.

Yea. It's totally awsome looking at "the connection was reset" when going from page to page.

 

[El Bastardo]

Huh. So, I have my problems with Skyrim, but what exactly is wrong with the UI?Yes, I would like it explained to me, please. I'm not reading whatever ****storm preceded this page.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Huh. So, I have my problems with Skyrim, but what exactly is wrong with the UI?Yes, I would like it explained to me, please. I'm not reading whatever ****storm preceded this page.

The problem is with the PC. The UI works perfectly fine with a gamepad. However, it's terrible with a keyboard and mouse.

The category list starts at the middle of the screen, so you have to scroll down to see the full list before you can click on the category you want to view. Since you're sitting closer to a computer monitor than you would TV screen, it's more useful to have all items listed from the top of the screen to the bottom in a smaller font rather than the UI they have now where the font is large and lists start at the middle of the screen. If you want to switch categories, it's easier to click the category at the top of the screen rather than having to scroll through it and then click from the list.

In a nutshell: It's fine with a gamepad, tedious and annoying with a keyboard and mouse.




On a related note, I'm playing Skyrim, not complaining about it. This is my most recent character, a Khajiit assassin (and thief). He's really good with a bow. I absolutely love him, and [blackout]the Darkbrotherhood finally has a Khajiit. I was disappointed there wasn't one already. There are so few Khajiit in the game, you'd think they'd have one in the DB since they're natural thieves/assassins.[/blackout]

 

[El Bastardo]

Eh, whatever. I play with a controller, but I get heckled by all my online friends for doing such, as they all use meeses and keys. And none of them have complained about it.

So it must not be that bad. Boo-effing-hoo.

There are much better things to actually complain about.

 

[Soapy]

I made a khajiit assassin as well before I stopped playing.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

I made a khajiit assassin as well before I stopped playing.

I've always been assassin-y with my "do everything" Imperials, but I'm really going to be specialized with this guy. I've also never played a beast race before (nor an elf before my previous character). I LOOVE going through a cave and sniping people. It seems much more practical to use a bow, even when you're spotted, in Skyrim than Oblivion.

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

@ spock...you should change your name to why so grcouchy, spock.

That's debatable. Also, alot of the content in Skyrim is scripted and linear. In fact I'd say most of it is pretty restrictive in nature. The actual freedom of the game practically always amounts to combat. With the main story taking placing in mini-levels specifically pathed out in a linear manner. Alot of more enviromentally restrictive games tend to be less linear in gameplay. Shogun 2 is actually far less linear because you win through other means. It has more variables. A larger enviroment doesn't automatically mean less linear gameplay. It's (depending on how you look at it) one of the problems with World Of Warcraft as well. You are restricted and very much forced into a linear path regardless of the huge enviroments. It's more like an amusement park were you progress towards certian rides. With very minimal choice, always resulting in combat.

I don't even know how you can describe the gameplay in Skyrim as linear. You don't go from point A to point B in order for the gameplay to progress in skyrim. You don't need to finish mission A in order to get to storyline B in Skyrim... To me, that's the very definition of non-linear gameplay. It's got nothing to with the scope of the landscape or anything else...it's how you can play the game.

Just like how the game is described by many people...including professionals. And i think i'll take their words instead of the words of one disgruntled gamer.

As far as their DLC's are concerned....i'm at complete loss as to your complaints.

With bethesda DLC's...you're getting new environtments, new storylines.Are some of them buggy? yes...are they worth your money? oh hell yes! i'll take DLC's such as point lookout, the pitt, old world blues, shivering isles over other game companies DLC's which from what i've seen only mostly only containts weapons/armor packs.

So...on,y thing left to say..

Good for you for getting the troll achievement unlocked!

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I'm still wondering whether or not I should get married?

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

I'm still wondering whether or not I should get married?

Definitely do...it's fun

 

[The Squirrel]

Really? I knew I wanted to get married as soon as they announced it was a feature. The first business plan for all my characters is to get the house in Whiterun and get married. Then the rest of the game starts.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Definitely do...it's fun

What do I do to get married?

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

What do I do to get married?

Spoiler ahead


First...travel to Riften.Go to the temple of Mara. There's one guy there thats selling the amulet of Mara.

Wear it. certain NPC's will have a new dialoque options for you to propose to them.

That's all.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Spoiler ahead


First...travel to Riften.Go to the temple of Mara. There's one guy there thats selling the amulet of Mara.

Wear it. certain NPC's will have a new dialoque options for you to propose to them.

That's all.

Cool! Thnaks a bunch, man. Btw,

Spoiler

in the ocmpanions mission, if I become a Wolf can I cure myself?

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

Really? I knew I wanted to get married as soon as they announced it was a feature. The first business plan for all my characters is to get the house in Whiterun and get married. Then the rest of the game starts.

hahaha..sounds like a plan.

It's almost exactly what i did too...been married to lydia for a while now

Btw...the house in Whiterun is my fav, despite it's small size.