The Penguin Episode 7: Top Hat (Spoiler Thread)

[Sithborg]

That, uhhh, was quite Oedipedal there in the beginning, huh.

God, what a show. If Farrel and Milotti don't get Emmy noms, there is no justice.

I think we can put to rest the theories that Dr Simp isn't real. Kind of curious what role he will play in the finale. Beyond the obvious of turning Francis against Oz.

Loved Sofia's stuff. Realizing she turned into her father. And then the broader decision, to further evolve Gotham's crime environment. No more mobster rules, we playing by Arkham rules now. And that beginning shows Oz is going to be very capable of playing by those rules.

Which I think can play with some interesting themes in Batman 2. Where the villains a response to Batman, or was Batman a response to the super villains. The answer, they are in response to the city itself. No more in evidence then when the crew literally repainted the Arkham set to make the orphanage set. I just love that ****ing decision.

Anyway, I'm hopeful Sofia makes it. Ruling a crime gang, maybe not. I suspect Oz has a fate worse than death for her.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Also probably only me that drew the parallel, but I’m very amused by Sofia channeling Jack Napier’s “You are a vicious bastard, Rotelli, and I’m glad you’re dead” when talking about her family with Gia.

She also had a callback to Jack’s “desperate for greatness” line in last week’s episode.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

 

[DCDAVE]

OMG!!!!!!! I just saw the beginning of episode 7.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

So no matter what happens, the last episodes gotta end with Oz looking up and seeing the bat signal in the sky, right

Time to get out of bed, Battinson

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I love how Sofia kept it a buck with Gia at the end though. She kept it ALL THE WAY real in that hug.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

So no matter what happens, the last episodes gotta end with Oz looking up and seeing the bat signal in the sky, right

Time to get out of bed, Battinson

I mean come on.

A big ass explosion in the middle of Gotham in broad daylight and a mob war going on simultaneously.

Battinson should've got his ass up 3 episodes ago.

 

[Kane52630]

Do you think Young Oz and Young Fisk would be friends?

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Do you think Young Oz and Young Fisk would be friends?

Hell no.

And Fisk would wash him. Sorry Oz.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Young Sheldon clears both of them

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

They mention in the podcast that they had dialect coaches, and that specific areas of the city have their own accent. It’s quite detailed.

Colin actually talked about the inspiration for the accent on The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon, stating that it was based on a number of real-life dialects, most notably that of an "apartment building manager" whom the show's dialect coach was familiar with. The dialect coach would apparently mimic this person's "thick New York" pronunciation of the food dish gefilte fish to help Colin (and presumably some of the other cast members) get back on track whenever they slipped up on the accent.

But I agree; it does sound a little strange, most likely because the majority of the actors don't typically speak like that. In contrast, the cast of The Sopranos was primarily made up of Italian Americans from New York or New Jersey (e.g., James Gandolfini, Lorraine Bracco, Edie Falco, Michael Imperioli) who probably grew up speaking in a similar manner as their fictional counterparts. The point being, while their accents on the show were arguably just as strong as those of Oswald and his mother on The Penguin, they sounded much more natural for obvious reasons.

At any rate, Colin in particular deserves major props. It's a remarkable accomplishment for someone from another country, like Eire, to largely master a distinctive American accent that has roots in Southern Italian, Jewish, and even his own Irish culture (funny how things come back around like that).

 

[WayneMB]

i struggle to understand the conversation right now lol. all the accents are incredible. and all this accent talk is wacky, just like Rob Pattinson once said, accents in film aren't supposed to be accurate or sth, they gotta "feel" good

 

[OrbOfConfusion]

So no matter what happens, the last episodes gotta end with Oz looking up and seeing the bat signal in the sky, right

Time to get out of bed, Battinson

No can do.

 

[DeadlyWest]

Yeah, next episode has to either have an overt mention or appearance from Battinson. Bombs blowing up underneath the very areas of the city that Batman's likely trying to attend to is officially the moment this would get on his radar

All seriousness, the "he's in bed recovering" theory doesn't make much sense to me seeing as we literally see him, in the movie, two scenes after the flooding aftermath driving to the signal. He's not recovering, he's somewhere doing something. We just don't know what. The only way it really works is if the signal Batman was responding to was literally a result of the bombing we saw this episode and there's a week timeskip we don't know about right at the end of The Batman. Which isn't impossible, but didn't really seem like the initial intention.

That episode was top 3 either way. Last two have felt a little bit of a step down but the buildup it was providing in hindsight makes all the sense of the world. While the writing very much feels on the wall for Sofia, good God do I hope she's in more stuff from here. The idea of her and Selina (let alone her and Bruce) in the same room is too goddamn good to pass up, to me

 

[DCDAVE]

This was a disturbing episode. Just when you want to root for Oz, the writers had to drop this bombshell at the beginning. Sofia with her cousin’s daughter. These two are truly Batman villains.

Explain to me how IGN gave this series a 5 out of 10. The finale must be the worst episode in the history of television because the first 7 is some of the best.

I think Batman or the signal will be activated at the end of episode 8.

 

[Boom]

This episode didn't vibe with me as much. I'm actually pretty disappointed with how they killed Sal off. I was really enjoying the character (and Clancy), but it really feels like the character didn't do much in the show except show up. It'd have been nice to see him accomplish something that affected the plot in some meaningful way.

 

[DCDAVE]

This episode didn't vibe with me as much. I'm actually pretty disappointed with how they killed Sal off. I was really enjoying the character (and Clancy), but it really feels like the character didn't do much in the show except show up. It'd have been nice to see him accomplish something that affected the plot in some meaningful way.

Sal is a fossil. He was done when Carmine had him locked away years ago. His death was ironic and perfect. Sal lost everything his death was predictable.

 

[Kane52630]

I was actually surprised they kept Clancy's Sal for this long. He tends to not stick around for long in everything he's in.

 

[DeadlyWest]

Yeah, if anything Sal's death felt like it had the right buildup to it. He's a very old man who just experienced the worst heartbreak a father can, when he's already got obvious stress issues. Kinda par for the course he'd reach his limit and that'd be it.

It's also a poetic Death of the Last Gotham Gangster, conking out from a heart attack withered with age

 

[Kane52630]

It’s like some of you (not YOU) haven’t seen any crime drama from 1984 thru 2000.

Hell, I grew up listening to people who talked like that in Queens.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Hell, I grew up listening to people who talked like that in Queens.

I grew up listening to folks who spoke like that in Brooklyn.

These actors got that Yogi Berra voice DOWN.

 

[Stringer]

Maybe it's just my soft soul, but I didn't think he did it on purpose. I thought him continuing to glare outside at the rain was implying he was waiting for them to come back.

 

[DCDAVE]

Did kid Oz mean to do what he did at the beginning of episode 7 or was it a reaction like when he killed Carmine’s son in episode 1. I want a psychiatrist’s opinion…..

 

[DeadlyWest]

Maybe it's just my soft soul, but I didn't think he did it on purpose. I thought him continuing to glare outside at the rain was implying he was waiting for them to come back.

I honestly took a darker interpretation of that

Are we 100% sure that was scene cuts to his brothers drowning

or was it what Oz was imagining while smiling at the rain