The Penguin Episode 7: Top Hat (Spoiler Thread)

[The Big G]

This whole sequence and the message is what we need more of for Batsy.
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Loved this.

This was the scene the sold the movie for me.

We don't get enough of Bruce's compassion in the most recent movies IMO

 

[Sawyer]

Loved seeing Emily Meade as young Francis, too. Haven’t seen her in anything since The Leftovers.

 

[Sithborg]

Oh, we are getting more Bat spinoffs.

 

[chintai80]

man wtf who gonna scar harvey dent now?!

 

[Kane52630]

man wtf who gonna scar harvey dent now?!

 

[chintai80]

had a little sympathy for oswald before.

but after watching this episode...f*** oswald cobb!

 

[Spider-Fan83]

I wonder if that is what he meant when he said "by the end of the show you'll hate him" or if he'll still be doing something even worst

 

[Rod]

Another great call/insight, reading around:


Youtube comment (@LHS935):

"I found the scene where Sofia comforts her cousin Gia incredible because if you examine it deeply, it is a delicate juxtaposition. That moment the child points noticed the detail of the mask in Sofia's bag, relates back to just as she (Sofia) noticed the detail of the bruises in Carmine Falcone's hands, establishing the parallel between the characters in the scene, in a similar tenderly embrace, but now, such are life's ironies, placing Sofia in Carmine's place by sadistically lying and hiding the evidence of the crime. Without a doubt, the best series of the year!"


Dang. Excellently noted.

 

[BatLobster]

So the number one question on my mind (and I think a lot of people's) through this whole series is what will be Vic's fate- IE will Oz kill him?

The argument against it is that it's too predictable. Going into the finale, I still feel it's the thing that would pack the most dramatic weight for the series and Oz's ascension into power. I think anything less would be a bit of a cop out in an otherwise incredibly dark and unflinching portrayal.

Oz has shown us throughout that there is nothing he is unwilling to do to grab power. Nothing. He clearly has a soft spot for the Vic and sees a lot of himself in him, which is exactly why I think it has to go that way for him to cement himself as the kingpin of Gotham, who leaves no loose ends. The show is clearly showing us that Vic is not cut out for this life IMO. Him failing to protect Francis from Sophia could be the final straw that makes Oz come to this conclusion.

Also, just from a basic franchise-building standpoint I'd be surprised if Vic stuck around to be The Penguin's lackey in The Batman Part II...but we'll see soon enough!

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Vic becoming a hardened, crueller person who is is Penguin's lackey in Part II would be best and less obvious. If he doesn't die he's actually the character I could most easily see appearing in Part II because it requires zero exposition for Oz to just have a primary henchman. My suspicion is there won't be any characters from the show in the movie, though.

 

[J.Drangal]

I think that Victor's death is too much to expect, so I'm going to take a swing here and bet on Oz sacrificing his mother.
Now that's an irredeemable act!

Before anyone tells me I've lost it, I don't think of it as cold-blooded murder.

But I can imagine Sofia, in a final confrontation where she's cornered, holding Francis like a shield, an ultimate way to bargain or something like that. And the old woman, realizing that everything is at stake at that moment, could then “pretend” to have lost her mind for good, in order to get her son to sacrifice her, as she asked him to do in episode 7.
Oz would certainly understand that she's faking it but would also get that sort of terrible absolution from his mother to do whatever it took to finally gain the power for Gotham's underworld they long sought after...

How that for drama and morally complex characters, huh?

EDIT: I talked to a friend about this theory and he even imagines Oz finally sacrificing his mother without her trying to trick him into it.
In her last breath, she'd give him one last smile as if to congratulate him for finally doing what it takes.
Sounds maybe too dark to be possible, but I kind of like it!

 

[Deck Rickard]

I’m hoping Vic doesn’t die. I feel like if there’s a chance that they want to do a season 2 (even though the series is supposedly limited), then Vic survives because you kind need him as that moral center. Like, Vic has done bad things but he’s still not a “bad” guy or at least not at the level of bad that Oz is. You can make that argument for Sofia too, but Sofia is still out for revenge and power while Vic is just trying to survive, so Vic is your easier character to root for.

I also don’t think it’s a forgone conclusion that Oz kills Vic. At this point, I don’t see a reason for him to do it. I’m sure he’s angry that Vic let Sofia get the drop on him and kidnap Frances but I think if that was enough to make him want to kill the kid, he would have just done so when he found him. Maybe something happens in the final episode that pushes him over the edge but right now I don’t see Oz killing Vic. Now, maybe Sofia kills him, but again, I think if that was going to happen, she would have done it when she went to the apartment. Guess we’ll see though.

 

[BatLobster]

Told ya.