Fantastic Posters

[Kelly]

Having the 4 on the poster is giving everything away....??????????


It's their movie....

IMO, the logo makes it look like a Silver Surfer movie.......thats my opinion, but thats how I saw it the first time I saw, and that hasn't changed a bit....

 

[Iron Maiden]

I don't think there would be a problem having multiple characters on a poster... I mean everyone remembers the Star Wars series of posters, like the Empire Strikes Back . There was a very effective collage of many characters from the movie. Sure, the FF could dominate but what would be wrong with the Silver Surfer and Doctor Doom also being included? It would be an attention getter, IMO.

 

[Kelly]

Fair enough, I do think that there was really not "one" particular character from that movie, that the movie was ABOUT....as in its not Luke Skywalker in the Empire Strikes Back....or Hans Solo Strikes Back....

This is a Fantastic Four movie, and the fact that all we have on the logo is a 4 with a very prominent Rise of the Silver Surfer on top of it, speaks volumes to me.....

Now, if I remember with the first movie, there was a manip done with the 4 prominently in front, and a silouette type Doom face in the background.....I was impressed with the manip....and would have no problem with that....or maybe both a simply silouette of both Doom and the Silver Surfer in the background.....BACKGROUND being the operative word here.....

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I don't have a problem with just the Surfer being featured on the poster--provided--that the 4 emblem is also included. The mainstream audience know who the Fantastic Four are now; there's no specific need to feature them on this teaser poster.

Now, later on, I'd like to see them on the full release artwork obviously--but at this point...let's be honest with ourselves: the studio is trying to work against a number of pre-set negatives with this project. I'm sure they see the Silver Surfer as a way to bring in something new and fresh to grab the attention of wary consumers (the ones who feel they got burned the last time). Besides, the Silver Surfer is one of the most popular Marvel characters--and to be frank a lot of people's interest in this sequel is entirely fueled by his involvement.

Sad but true.

 

[Advanced Dark]

There will be more than one poster. I'd like to see one with the 4, the Silver Surfer, and Doom in the background.

 

[Kelly]

I don't have a problem with just the Surfer being featured on the poster--provided--that the 4 emblem is also included. The mainstream audience know who the Fantastic Four are now; there's no specific need to feature them on this teaser poster.

Now, later on, I'd like to see them on the full release artwork obviously--but at this point...let's be honest with ourselves: the studio is trying to work against a number of pre-set negatives with this project. I'm sure they see the Silver Surfer as a way to bring in something new and fresh to grab the attention of wary consumers (the ones who feel they got burned the last time). Besides, the Silver Surfer is one of the most popular Marvel characters--and to be frank a lot of people's interest in this sequel is entirely fueled by his involvement.

Sad but true.

There is no way to know for sure what people expect, or why they will see the sequel at this moment, as far as the mainstream audience is concerned, that is pretty much speculation....

But as far as this mainstream movie-goer, I want the 4 main characters on the first poster...

Maybe I'm repeating myself, but if the doomites can do it.....I sure as hell can too.....

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

There is no way to know for sure what people expect, or why they will see the sequel at this moment, as far as the mainstream audience is concerned, that is pretty much speculation....

I didn't say anything about the "mainstream". I stated that some people are only going to see it because of the Silver Surfer's addition. And that's not speculating--that is factual.

All you have to do is peruse the boards--both here and elsewhere--or go to any comic book store and ask people. You will get that response from many folks...I have both read and heard it countless times.

 

[Kelly]

I don't have a problem with just the Surfer being featured on the poster--provided--that the 4 emblem is also included. The mainstream audience know who the Fantastic Four are now; there's no specific need to feature them on this teaser poster.

Now, later on, I'd like to see them on the full release artwork obviously--but at this point...let's be honest with ourselves: the studio is trying to work against a number of pre-set negatives with this project. I'm sure they see the Silver Surfer as a way to bring in something new and fresh to grab the attention of wary consumers (the ones who feel they got burned the last time). Besides, the Silver Surfer is one of the most popular Marvel characters--and to be frank a lot of people's interest in this sequel is entirely fueled by his involvement.

Sad but true.

I'm sorry, I misunderstood those words....

So, factually what % is this Silver Surfer audience????

Again, as always.....I can only go by my fellow moviegoers, those average joe kinda people.....and after the teaser trailer....(and as I've stated before, I totally understand the reason for profiling him in the teaser....had no problem with that....) a mainstream moviegoer turned to me and said..."the silver what?" I said, surfer...."cool"....I see that as a totally cool thing.....have no problem with it.....WHATSOEVER.....

I'm just ready to see some balance from FOX.......the logo is NOT BALANCED in my opinion......and that opinion is not changing.....at all....I do not like the logo, and I never will ... YOU can tell all day long that the 4 in the BACKGROUND is enough.....and I will say....no its not....and we can repeat ourselves into a blackhole of bloviation.....but my opinion will not change.......done on that subject.

I have been told that there is plenty of balance in the script, and that it is definitely a Fantastic Four movie.....I have no doubt that is what Payne has done......my faith in Payne is not the question.....my faith in Fox is little ..... THAT will only change if I see a Fantastic Four movie, featuring the Silver Surfer and Doom....NOT a Silver Surfer movie, featuring the Fantastic Four.....


Thats all.....

 

[Advanced Dark]

Put on your Hulk Fists guys.

 

[Kelly]

Put on your Hulk Fists guys.

Excuse me.....that would be Thing fists.....thank you....



and nah.....I'm just going to quote my last post....over and over again in the debate.....lmao

 

[zer00]

I don't have a problem with just the Surfer being featured on the poster--provided--that the 4 emblem is also included. The mainstream audience know who the Fantastic Four are now; there's no specific need to feature them on this teaser poster.

Now, later on, I'd like to see them on the full release artwork obviously--but at this point...let's be honest with ourselves: the studio is trying to work against a number of pre-set negatives with this project. I'm sure they see the Silver Surfer as a way to bring in something new and fresh to grab the attention of wary consumers (the ones who feel they got burned the last time). Besides, the Silver Surfer is one of the most popular Marvel characters--and to be frank a lot of people's interest in this sequel is entirely fueled by his involvement.

Sad but true.

and SS just looks plain cool. It's just good advertising for a teaser poster and the majority of the posters to feature and include the Surfer. Normies will look at him and go "that's cool and interesting" a **** load more than just seeing the same old pics of the FF again.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I'm sorry, I misunderstood those words....

So, factually what % is this Silver Surfer audience????

Ehn...don't know....don't care. I don't even see how that's relevant.

The point is that $330 million assures me that the mainstream audience is aware of who the Fantastic Four are by now. Now what they think of the FF is an entirely different matter. But they DO know who they are. Therefore, I think FOX can afford to introduce a new antihero/villain without compromising the focus on the four.

However, I will say that I expect Norrin to be a huge player in this film--even more so than Victor. My instincts tell me that the studio will use him to recussitate (sp?) new life into this franchise.

And before anyone says "Caliph, this franchise doesn't need new life" I point you again to the media, to the talk-backs, and to the film's general reputation on the streets. Look at the fan reviews, the critical reviews, the polls, etc., for the first film. Then ask yourselves: Would this sequel's current positive buzz/ "cool" factor be as strong if the Silver Surfer wasn't shown in the trailer? The answer? Um, no.

Truth be told, if FF2's trailer had just featured the Four themselves, you can bet your butts the online feedback would be naturally negative just because that's the nature of the fanboy beast. Many fanboys HATE this franchise--which is another fact. Norrin is taking their minds off of their "Thing Brow", "Hispanic Susan", "DINO" gripes...for now. The mainstream's reaction? Who knows. I need DVD sales from the first film to guage that. But for a lot of people I know, their reaction would have been "MEH" sans Surfer.

The Silver Surfer has singlehandedly put a new spin of interest on this project. It's just as simple as that. And there's nothing wrong with that...but it is the truth.

 

[Kelly]

and SS just looks plain cool. It's just good advertising for a teaser poster and the majority of the posters to feature and include the Surfer. Normies will look at him and go "that's cool and interesting" a **** load more than just seeing the same old pics of the FF again.

I would certainly hope they take new promotional shots of the 4, rather than use "the same old pics of the FF again".

Aside from the tagline.....and of course this is an amateur attempt....I like this idea....

as an idea to go from....




of course, with new pictures of the 4....
Place the title where the tagline is....

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

and SS just looks plain cool. It's just good advertising for a teaser poster and the majority of the posters to feature and include the Surfer. Normies will look at him and go "that's cool and interesting" a **** load more than just seeing the same old pics of the FF again.

Agreed.

Hell, I don't even want to see them in a group formation yet. Show us something different.

I have faith that the FF will not get "lost" in the sauce with Silver Surfer being on the promotional wagon. But FOX has to think in terms of dollars and sense. It makes sense to put this weird chrome-colored god on their marketing...he's a curious-looking fellow and he'll just draw more attention to the film.

The FF are not heralded on the same level as say Spider-Man, Batman or Superman--franchises that can use the same general shots of the characters or their logos over and over again in all their marketing. Those heroes are on a logo-only-will-suffice basis with consumers. The FF? They're beloved. But they're just not there yet.

They need the Silver Surfer to rebuild interest in them.

 

[Kelly]

Ehn...don't know....don't care. I don't even see how that's relevant.

no problem with that...

The point is that $330 million assures me that the mainstream audience is aware of who the Fantastic Four are by now. Now what they think of the FF is an entirely different matter. But they DO know who they are. Therefore, I think FOX can afford to introduce a new antihero/villain without compromising the focus on the four.

No problem here either, EXCEPT maybe putting "Fantastic" somewhere on the logo would have been appreciated...

However, I will say that I expect Norrin to be a huge player in this film--even more so than Victor. My instincts tell me that the studio will use him to recussitate (sp?) new life into this franchise.

Yes, you are probably correct...

And before anyone says "Caliph, this franchise doesn't need new life" I point you again to the media, to the talk-backs, and to the film's general reputation on the streets. Look at the fan reviews, the critical reviews, the polls, etc., for the first film. Then ask yourselves: Would this sequel's current positive buzz/ "cool" factor be as strong if the Silver Surfer wasn't shown in the trailer? The answer? Um, no.

I think I made it quite clear that I had no problem using the surfer as the prominent feature in the teaser trailer. Very clear in fact.

Truth be told, if FF2's trailer had just featured the Four themselves, you can bet your butts the online feedback would be naturally negative just because that's the nature of the fanboy beast. Many fanboys HATE this franchise--which is another fact. Norrin is taking their minds off of their "Thing Brow", "Hispanic Susan", "DINO" gripes...for now. The mainstream's reaction? Who knows. I need DVD sales from the first film to guage that. But for a lot of people I know, their reaction would have been "MEH" sans Surfer.

Again, I made it very clear, I understand that...

The Silver Surfer has singlehandedly put a new spin of interest on this project. It's just as simple as that. And there's nothing wrong with that...but it is the truth.

I don't think I've ever said that the Silver Surfer should not be promoted...a strong character in the movie...or otherwise....

Let me make it clear....so far I've had no problem with promotion really I'm not stupid....I understand the cool factor....but it is a Fantastic Four movie....and it is time for them to have some upfront time....with the SS....you bet....sure ... no problem ... there........I simply think that the logo is TOO MUCH....way off balance....and a diss by Fox....sorry thats how I feel.....

Promotion aside, coolness aside....

AT THE VERY LEAST....."Fantastic" should be on the logo"....its not....thats the reality....

I want the 4 "characters" on the poster....OR

A full title logo.

 

[zer00]

Agreed.

Hell, I don't even want to see them in a group formation yet. Show us something different.

I have faith that the FF will not get "lost" in the sauce with Silver Surfer being on the promotional wagon. But FOX has to think in terms of dollars and sense. It makes sense to put this weird chrome-colored god on their marketing...he's a curious-looking fellow and he'll just draw more attention to the film.

The FF are not heralded on the same level as say Spider-Man, Batman or Superman--franchises that can use the same general shots of the characters or their logos over and over again in all their marketing. Those heroes are on a logo-only-will-suffice basis with consumers. The FF? They're beloved. But they're just not there yet.

They need the Silver Surfer to rebuild interest in them.

Agreed 100%

And I don't get all this worry that FF will get sidelined and the movie will be all SS...why? Even in Batman Returns Batman was still featured, and Burton was more interested in Penguin. While Story and the writers are more interested in keeping the FF at the head of the line. So calm the **** down and stop yappin I say. It's ridiculous. FF isn't some uber special case in the scheme of ilm and comic adaptions to the rule.

 

[Kelly]

Agreed 100%

And I don't get all this worry that FF will get sidelined and the movie will be all SS...why? Even in Batman Returns Batman was still featured, and Burton was more interested in Penguin. While Story and the writers are more interested in keeping the FF at the head of the line. So calm the **** down and stop yappin I say. It's ridiculous. FF isn't some uber special case in the scheme of ilm and comic adaptions to the rule.

Ignore may help your headache....

 

[Advanced Dark]

JMA fan how they market the movie doesn't affect you. You know the movie itself is all about the Fantastic 4, but the villain is what gauges their strength and character. Doom and the SS story tie together fine. Rise of the Silver Surfer is the sub-title. Just another chapter for us to enjoy.

 

[Kelly]

JMA fan how they market the movie doesn't affect you. You know the movie itself is all about the Fantastic 4, but the villain is what gauges their strength and character. Doom and the SS story tie together fine. Rise of the Silver Surfer is the sub-title. Just another chapter for us to enjoy.

No, I don't know the movie is all about the F4...not really sure about that.

Yes, I know that using the SS is a good marketing tool....haven't said anything differently.

I didn't enjoy the first chapter all that much, I hope to enjoy this one.

I do not see how putting the word "Fantastic" on the logo would have hurt promotion.

I also do not see where putting the 4 characters on the one-sheet (along with the SS above, or in the background), will hurt promotion of the movie.

I'm simply giving my opinion, I know that Fox already has everything ready for promotion, I'm not gullible or pretentious enough to think my opinion is going to change the marketing or whatever of this film....

I'm FINE with the marketing, I understand why they are doing what they are doing, ie teaser etc. I do not understand the logo, but not much to be done about that....just stating my opinion as far as that is concerned...

If we end up with a great Fantastic Four movie, I'll be extremely happy....

If we end up with a great Silver Surfer movie, he will have his own movie, and there will be a 3rd Fantastic Four movie, and I'll get another chance at a great Fantastic Four movie...I might miss out on the enjoyment of a 2nd F4 installment, but hey I get a chance at a 3rd and three times is the charm, isn't that the saying? Or is it 3 strikes your out....hmmmm.....

If it sucks, well......what do ya do??????? lol

 

[Advanced Dark]

No, I don't know the movie is all about the F4...not really sure about that.

Yes, I know that using the SS is a good marketing tool....haven't said anything differently.

I didn't enjoy the first chapter all that much, I hope to enjoy this one.

I do not see how putting the word "Fantastic" on the logo would have hurt promotion.

I also do not see where putting the 4 characters on the one-sheet (along with the SS above, or in the background), will hurt promotion of the movie.

I'm simply giving my opinion, I know that Fox already has everything ready for promotion, I'm not gullible or pretentious enough to think my opinion is going to change the marketing or whatever of this film....

I'm FINE with the marketing, I understand why they are doing what they are doing, ie teaser etc. I do not understand the logo, but not much to be done about that....just stating my opinion as far as that is concerned...

If we end up with a great Fantastic Four movie, I'll be extremely happy....

If we end up with a great Silver Surfer movie, he will have his own movie, and there will be a 3rd Fantastic Four movie, and I'll get another chance at a great Fantastic Four movie...I might miss out on the enjoyment of a 2nd F4 installment, but hey I get a chance at a 3rd and three times is the charm, isn't that the saying? Or is it 3 strikes your out....hmmmm.....

If it sucks, well......what do ya do??????? lol

It's trying to create brand recognition with the Logo. There will be promo's with Fantastic in it of course. Just like the early X2 promot's just said X2. Or Terminator 2 said T2, etc...

 

[Kelly]

It's trying to create brand recognition with the Logo. There will be promo's with Fantastic in it of course. Just like the early X2 promot's just said X2. Or Terminator 2 said T2, etc...

Hmmmm....I'm ok with your first portion, don't like it (I see it as promoting the next SS movie if thats the case), but it is possible.

Last sentence, meh....don't see that....if that were the case we would be seeing FF 2.

As far as the middle......only time will tell.......at this point, I'm past just wanting the word "Fantastic" I want the 4 themselves in front where they belong....

I will punch the guy in the face in front of me if I hear him say...."2 tickets to the Silver Surfer movie"...... j/k but I bet money, I'll hear it...

*sighs*.....1, 2, 3....here it comes....

"Be happy he's buying a ticket to the movie at all......" wanted to save you the trouble....lol

 

[MattC]

The image might be fan made I dunno. I just included it in the post because it was at comics2film but the article isn't fan made.

They are both fanmade. I wrote the article, which is from F4movies.com, my co-webmaster Ted made the banner. He is flattered that some of you thought it was official.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Well in the quote from the 1st post it said nothing was out yet but yeah it did look official.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I get the feeling Fox's plan may well be to hide the 4 in the marketing to try and remove the movie from the first,i know all the positive feedback i read on the mainstream movie sites started with "After the first we had little interest in a sequel but this Silver Surfer footage is very cool" or words to that effect

A tease would be best at this point. Just the logo would be sufficient...there's no need to give everything away just yet...that's for the last 2 weeks leading up to release.

Curse you

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I get the feeling Fox's plan may well be to hide the 4 in the marketing to try and remove the movie from the first,i know all the positive feedback i read on the mainstream movie sites started with "After the first we had little interest in a sequel but this Silver Surfer footage is very cool" or words to that effect

I do believe the concerns that the FF will take a backseat to the Silver Surfer in terms of marketing are valid. But to be honest...they have to at this point. If the first film had hit it out of the park this reverse marketing strategy wouldn't be necessary. But it is.

I look at it this way: Remember Mariah Carey's 1996 hit "Fantasy"? When her squeaky-clean pop career was starting to falter, she did something daring: For that song she collaborated with a rap artist named Old Dirty Bastard (A.K.A. "ODB"). At the time this was revolutionary...unorthodox. Nevertheless, she married her pop/soul sound with the popular hip hop vibe and the result breathed new life into her career. She then secured an even stronger R&B/Hip Hop audience due to those rap "features" and now has complete crossover appeal as music's biggest selling female artist in history (with the most No. 1 singles too).

I see the FF2 film doing something similar. Silver Surfer is their "ODB"--the revolutionary "cool" factor they need to regenerate interest in the Fantastic Four's faltering public image. He is absolutely necessary for this film to be a success. In of themselves, the Four are simply not that interesting to some people--and that goes for the comics as well. That's why their books ALWAYS feature characters like the Watcher, the Inhumans, other Marvel heroes, Dr. Doom, etc. It's their dynamic with these other characters that makes the FF appealing.

And those characters were also on their front covers...so why should it be any different in the films?

Curse you

Blasphemy!