Favorite Single/Multiplayer Game of All Time

[DACMAN]

Kind of hard for something without a mind or knowledge of being to be that

You do know that these games have themes and people that made them that are pushing these themes and ideas? Like movies or any other form of entertainment. Stop trying to pick a fight.

 

[Tron Bonne]

You do know that these games have themes and people that made them that are pushing these themes and ideas? Like movies or any other form of entertainment. Stop trying to pick a fight.

Of all the people on this board to say such a thing

Then the people who write these stories are pretentious, which is impossible for you to say since you know none of these people or have interviews to back up your claims. It's impossible for a video game case, disc, cutscene to look down or demand more than possible of you when there's no mind or being to do so. The only way to make the claim is if the game or character within starts belittling you, even then, it's pretty debatable since there's no mind or consciousness

It's more the people who make the game that make it feel like that.

Also, see below, responses like that are full of pretense (especially the bold part), because clearly, since I enjoy games that are simpler than I myself must be simple as well.

Fair enough. Just to clarify I wasn't looking down on you or anything, I was just correcting a misuse of the term. It's kind of a pet peeve of mine.

 

[DACMAN]

Also, see below, responses like that are full of pretense (especially the bold part), because clearly, since I enjoy games that are simpler than I myself must be simple as well.

Oh come on. I was simply saying I used to like those games too. If you're saying I was impling you are simple for liking them then I can easily flip that and say you must be impling that I'm pretentious for liking Mass Effect. It goes both ways. You're putting words in my mouth.

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

But seriously you've seen better? I'm not being argumentive, I'd really like to see what game you're talking about. Because Mass Effect blows me away I'd love to see something better.

Sure, I take lots of screenshots.



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Runs on the unreal engine also.

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This is more speculation than first hand based on promo shots but I also think Uncharted 2, Heavy Rain, GT5, Killzone 2 look better.

 

[DACMAN]

Of all the people on this board to say such a thing

Then the people who write these stories are pretentious, which is impossible for you to say since you know none of these people or have interviews to back up your claims. It's impossible for a video game case, disc, cutscene to look down or demand more than possible of you when there's no mind or being to do so. The only way to make the claim is if the game or character within starts belittling you, even then, it's pretty debatable since there's no mind or consciousness

We don't have interviews? Seriously? Have you ever been on the internet before? MGS makers are always going on about the political relevance of their games. Not to mention the fact half the game is one giant cut scene. And as you watch a cutscene all you can do is sit there passively watch whatever message they're sending which we know they think is some kind of important political statement.

Mass Effect is different in that you aren't just a passive viewer of the game developers views. You can make your own choices within the world given to you. So to say that we can't say a game is pretensious, means you can't say a game is intelligent or low brow, people are. We on the other hand can because we understand that it is perfectly exceptable to use adjectives to describe a body of work. The body of work reflect those who have created it and their themes they're pushing.

Fair enough. Just to clarify I wasn't looking down on you or anything, I was just correcting a misuse of the term. It's kind of a pet peeve of mine.

It may be a pet peeve of your's but it's gramatically sound. adjectives are used all the time to describe a body of work. It is in no way a misuse of the term. And the irony is the fact you think you had to some how set us straight even though we aren't breaking any gramatic rules makes you come off as being kind of pretentious.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pretentious

1 : characterized by pretension: as a : making usually unjustified or excessive claims (as of value or standing


But seriously, can we get back on topic? Everytime I see you in a thread it's to pick a fight and throw everyone off topic.

 

[Addendum]

Single player: Deus Ex

I don't bother with multiplayer.

 

[DACMAN]

Sure, I take lots of screenshots.



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Runs on the unreal engine also.

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This is more speculation than first hand based on promo shots but I also think Uncharted 2, Heavy Rain, GT5, Killzone 2 look better.

Can you list the games those are from? Some look amazing, some look meh. Like Batman. Batman was a great game, had good graphics. But better than Mass Effect? Not so much. The first few pics of just the environments look amazing. I'd love to see a NPC. What game is that from?

And I think some of them are Crysis right? They look great, but I wouldn't say better than Mass Effect. I'd be willing to say people have made better environments but I have yet to see better faces and character models.

 

[DACMAN]

Here. Like this one. The environments look amazing but the character model for that guy look terrible.

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or this
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or this
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But don't get me wrong the environments look amazing. I'd say better then Mass Effects. But the faces, the character models in Mass Effects still look better I think.

What game are those screen shots taken from of the brick wall and such? That looks amazing. I'd love to see more of that game.

 

[Tron Bonne]

We don't have interviews? Seriously? Have you ever been on the internet before? MGS makers are always going on about the political relevance of their games.

I said you didn't have an interviews to back up your claims. Did you post some earlier that I missed? No, you did not. I love that your condescending nonsense always backfires

Not to mention the fact half the game is one giant cut scene. And as you watch a cutscene all you can do is sit there passively watch whatever message they're sending which we know they think is some kind of important political statement.

Mass Effect is different in that you aren't just a passive viewer of the game developers views. You can make your own choices within the world given to you. So to say that we can't say a game is pretensious, means you can't say a game is intelligent or low brow, people are. We on the other hand can because we understand that it is perfectly exceptable to use adjectives to describe a body of work. The body of work reflect those who have created it and their themes they're pushing.

Do you even realize what you're saying here

1 : characterized by pretension: as a : making usually unjustified or excessive claims (as of value or standing)

Care to explain how a non-conscious being can do this with itself?

But seriously, can we get back on topic? Everytime I see you in a thread it's to pick a fight and throw everyone off topic.

Then you must not see many topics. I guess whenever you're in a failing argument you need all the straws you can grasp to get out of it I mean, seriously, if you want to 'stop' it's as easy as not replying

 

[DACMAN]

Like this. Ick.

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[DACMAN]

Then you must not see many topics. I guess whenever you're in a failing argument you need all the straws you can grasp to get out of it

How am I in a failing arguement? People use adjectives all the time to describe a body of work. Adjectives are used to modify a noun or pronoun. And guess what? Pretentious is an adjective. We were using it just fine. The english language allows it. You are the one not showing us how we were using it incorrectly.



http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/adjective

ad⋅jec⋅tive

–noun 1. Grammar. any member of a class of words that in many languages are distinguished in form, as partly in English by having comparative and superlative endings, or by functioning as modifiers of nouns, as good, wise, perfect.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pretentious
pre⋅ten⋅tious  –adjective 1. full of pretense or pretension.
2. characterized by assumption of dignity or importance.
3. making an exaggerated outward show; ostentatious.




WOAH!!! Did you catch that? So again, you're wrong. We can use adjectives to describe something that isn't a person, it just has to be a noun. Pretentious is an adjective, and we're using it to describe a noun. It sucks to be condescending and have it blow up in your face right? Even more ironic that you are being kind of pretentious...




NOW BACK ON TOPIC PLEASE!!!!!

 

[Tron Bonne]

How am I in a failing arguement? People use adjectives all the time to describe a body of work. Adjectives are used to modify a noun or pronoun. And guess what? Pretentious is an adjective. We were using it just fine. The english language allows it. You are the one not showing us how we were using it incorrectly.



http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/adjective

ad⋅jec⋅tive

–noun 1. Grammar. any member of a class of words that in many languages are distinguished in form, as partly in English by having comparative and superlative endings, or by functioning as modifiers of nouns, as good, wise, perfect.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pretentious
pre⋅ten⋅tious  –adjective 1. full of pretense or pretension.
2. characterized by assumption of dignity or importance.
3. making an exaggerated outward show; ostentatious.




WOAH!!! Did you catch that? So again, you're wrong. We can use adjectives to describe something that isn't a person, it just has to be a noun. Pretentious is an adjective, and we're using it to describe a noun. It sucks to be condescending and have it blow up in your face right?

WOAH!! Got it memorized? You totally avoided the question of how an unknowing entity can be any of those things bolded as well as my second comment and opted to go with technical aspects that we weren't arguing to begin with.

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

And I think some of them are Crysis right? They look great, but I wouldn't say better than Mass Effect.

Well, it's subjective.
Technically Crysis obliterates any game, it's not really debatable.
Probably be the same with Crysis 2 on the consoles.

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or this
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Mass Effect is still sitting on the hardrive so I fired it up for a fair comparison than promo shots.
This is what the game looks like.

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[William_C]

Single Player: Fallout 3
Multiplayer: Left 4 Dead/CoD 4

 

[DACMAN]

Oh, and thanks for all the screen shots BTW. That's cool of you to do.

 

[DACMAN]

Oh, and thanks for all the screen shots BTW. That's cool of you to do.

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Like this. Ick.

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I thought Resident Evil 5 had fantastic models.
Some of the zombies look like crap but the main characters generally look great.

 

[Soapy]

Instead of crying, "pretentious! pretentious!" could someone try and explain specifically what it is about Mass Effect that makes it so pretentious?

 

[Soapy]

Double post.

 

[DACMAN]

Well, it's subjective.
Technically Crysis obliterates any game, it's not really debatable.
Probably be the same with Crysis 2 on the consoles.






Mass Effect is still sitting on the hardrive so I fired it up for a fair comparison than promo shots.
This is what the game looks like.

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Huh. Have you turned off the film grain and motion blur? But yeah. Those aren't very flattering shots.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Instead of crying, "pretentious! pretentious!" could someone try and explain specifically what it is about Mass Effect that makes it so pretentious?

Ferret said he was referring more to the way people refer to him and others who dislike it as opposed to the actual definition, I believe. As well as the people behind it (as developers, I guess)

 

[DACMAN]

What the heck is up with this one? It's never looked that bad for me. What kind of monitor are you taking this from? I have a 1080p Toshiba and they don't look near that bad. They look more like this.

http://www.endsights.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/MassEffect1.jpg

 

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Mass effect is upscaled, not proper, the screenshots I posted are at a higher res than you play, your using an off screen photiograph of a television.

 

[William_C]

Mass Effect always looked better than most games too me. Especially the first time I played it, I was really blown away at how good it looked.

 

[DACMAN]

Ferret said he was referring more to the way people refer to him and others who dislike it as opposed to the actual definition, I believe. As well as the people behind it (as developers, I guess)

Haven't read my rebuttal have you?