Favorite underrated songs

[SWAT]

Um, no sorry.



"More Than A Feeling" is hardly underrated. It's one of the most popular rock singles ever and to this day remains a constant staple on the radio.

Do we live in the same country... No, no we don't!!

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Of course it is.

Well, this is a stupid conversation because if you want to say it's overrated, that can't be denied, IF you want to take the cheap way out and say "by someone, somewhere, at any given time on Earth, everything the band wrote and performed IS overrated, by someone"...it IS always overrated.

But in general terms, you're plain wrong.
Most people who acknowledge them don't say "They are GOD! They're better than anything in the universe."
They say "They're amazing.", and that is undeniable...THEY listened and the sound "amazed" THEM.
Or they say "John Bonham is one of the best drummers in the world."
And that is undeniable. He is ONE of the most talented and entertaining drummers.
Or they say "Led Zeppelin is one of my favorite bands ever."
And that's undeniable, etc.

My point is nothing that good. Nothing.

You don't get to make that assertion for the entire populace of Earth. The whole world doesn't filter experience through their senses in exactly the same way that you do.

Some people watch "Gone With The Wind" and are moved to tears.
Others watch the exact same movie and are BORED to tears.

For some, things really are THAT good. The fact that you don't feel it is irrelevant.
You might have a wife who you think is gorgeous. If someone else saw her and said, "She's not that good-looking.", they'd be dead-on right for them, and completely wrong for you. Stupid conversation.

I'm massive Tom Waits fan, but I don't throw about superlatives about how magical he is. A lot of his stuff is crap.

guuhhh.... HENCE the fact that you don't throw superlatives around for him!
A LOT OF HIS STUFF IS CRAP.
On the other hand, every single song by Led Zeppelin contains some spark of transcendant genius.
Just yesterday I was pointing out to a friend/huge Led Zeppelin fan the subtle pick-scrape overtone that appears on every last group of 5 notes in the riff to "Moby Dick".

This friend is a lifelong LZ-Fanatic, and yet she'd never noticed them.....and one of the things that makes Jimmy Page's guitar so much more interesting and "magical" than the playing of others, is little things like that.

As a RULE, every other guitarist from his era, when recording, was just bluntly placing a mic right up into the speaker cone of the amp, with that simplistic approach.
"Want record sound from amp. Put mic by amp."

But Jimmy knew that distance equals musical spaciousness, and he was constantly experimenting with production....putting a mic in a phone booth and then turning the amp outside up, having a mic right on the amp, another in the center of the room and another OUTSIDE the room, and then blending those 3 signals to get an evocative sound that Beck or Clapton or Hendrix never. ever. had.

He and the Beatles (w/ George Martin) were the pioneers of this stuff, and that influence on every recording session today can NOT be "overrated", because, it's not quantifIABLE.

It's not my fault that Tom Waits doesn't have the kind of talent, charisma and style to produce superlative, magical feelings in you, nor is it Led Zeppelin's fault that they're so much better at stirring those emotions with music than he is.
lol





I smell jealous musician

 

[Duende Verde]

Lightning Crashes - Live

You're kidding, right?

 

[Fried Gold]

On the other hand, every single song by Led Zeppelin contains some spark of transcendant genius.

LOL Have you heard Whole Lotta Love, with it's transcendant genius of "You need coolin', baby, I'm not foolin', I'm gonna send you back to schoolin"?

 

[BRUTAL]

You're kidding, right?

What's the problem Sports Fan?

 

[Addendum]

Besides the songs "Pull Me Under", "Another Day", and "Take the Time" which hit the Billboard Top 20, every song they've done.

Although you can pass on the Falling Into Infinity. It's ok, but their weakest album.

 

[Duende Verde]

What's the problem Sports Fan?

ok...
that was random.

 

[BRUTAL]

It's a Family Guy reference, moving on...

 

[Fried Gold]

It's not my fault that Tom Waits doesn't have the kind of talent, charisma and style to produce superlative, magical feelings in you

Certain songs do, but not Tom Waits as a phenomena.

 

[Fried Gold]

Certain songs do, but not Tom Waits as a phenomena.

And when I says that, I don't mean they're magical, I just think they're really, really well written and well crafted songs.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

LOL Have you heard Whole Lotta Love, with it's transcendant genius of "You need coolin', baby, I'm not foolin', I'm gonna send you back to schoolin"?

Wow, now your bias against them is turning on you, making you sound mindless.

Did I say, "Every Led Zeppelin song contains genius lyrics."?

I'm not even hugely concerned with the lyrics and vocals.
My main interest is the instrumentation.

And Whole Lotta Love is, lol, a POWERHOUSE of incredible musicianship and genius production.


Also, in light of their huge Blues influence, your dismissal of those primal, caveman-in-heat lyrics strikes me as joyless and elitest, such as a classically trained pianist who can not see any merit in the Blues because of it's stringent three-chord format...erroniously thinking "It's all the same"...when in reality, the truly perceptive listener knows that that repetitive musical formula actually HIGHLIGHTS the unique style and originality of each individual Blues performer...much like the format of Haiku.
Also, freaking morons who say that Rap isn't music, when by any definition of music, it most certainly is.
But that brute approach to the lyrics is very intentional and has it's place.
Also, I'm surprised, because most LZ naysayers are the first to point out that Robert Plant didn't write those lyrics.
So it's not a reflection on his creativity, but on his musical proclivities.


I could write a short book on the genius of Whole Lotta Love

 

[Mr Sparkle]

What's the problem Sports Fan?

that it was one of their main singles and one of the songs that MADE them famous, if you had said "operation spirit" maybe, but Lighting Crashes is overrated if it's anything.

 

[Duende Verde]

It's a Family Guy reference, moving on...

 

[BRUTAL]

Wow, personal opinion means nothing here huh? Nice to know...

 

[incubat]

Yeah, but I'm not debating influence and the like. I'm talking about when people believe that a particular band/film/writer is the BESTEST THING TO EVER HAPPEN to that particular movement, then it becomes overrated by default.

that's where I respectfully disagree again

 

[Duende Verde]

Wow, personal opinion means nothing here huh? Nice to know...

What personal opinion?
You just said the name of a song.

Your personal opinion would have been if you said why you think that song is underrated.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Wow, personal opinion means nothing here huh? Nice to know...

No.
It means everything.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

LOL Have you heard Whole Lotta Love, with it's transcendant genius of "You need coolin', baby, I'm not foolin', I'm gonna send you back to schoolin"?

I like "Immigrant Song" but only when the Viking Kittens are included

 

[BRUTAL]

What personal opinion?
You just said the name of a song.

Your personal opinion would have been if you said why you think that song is underrated.

I kind of figured posting in the "Favorite Underrated Songs" thread referred to my PERSONAL favorite song that I find to be underrated. It's odd how many people will negate your views in a thread the word FAVORITE in the ****ing title. Favorite is a relative word idiots, everyone's favorites are different. If I find a song to be underrated that's a personal opinion.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Yeah, I like the "poet laureate" of folk/rock, Bob Dylan, acclaimed as some master lyricist, one of the greatest songwriters of our time, when he said:
"Don't wanna be a BUM. Better chew yer GUM."

d'oh, I guess he's overrated and not a genius 'cause of th^t.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

I kind of figured posting in the "Favorite Underrated Songs" thread referred to my PERSONAL favorite song that I find to be underrated. It's odd how many people will negate your views in a thread the word FAVORITE in the ****ing title. Favorite is a relative word idiots, everyone's favorites are different. If I find a song to be underrated that's a personal opinion.

I find Michael Jordan underrated

 

[BRUTAL]

I find Michael Jordan underrated

Ok...

 

[Duende Verde]

I kind of figured posting in the "Favorite Underrated Songs" thread referred to my PERSONAL favorite song that I find to be underrated. It's odd how many people will negate your views in a thread the word FAVORITE in the ****ing title. Favorite is a relative word idiots, everyone's favorites are different. If I find a song to be underrated that's a personal opinion.

Oh, no!
Brutal called me an idiot.


You still haven't really explained how "Lightning Crashes", Live's biggest hit from their 1994 album Throwing Copper can be considered an underrated song besides what you call your "personal opinion".

 

[Mr Sparkle]

you know? I really don't now why Fried Gold calls Zeppelin overrated.
I was just listening to "friends" and It's such a good song and then comes "celebration day" and it's like so complementary.
meh.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Especially in light of the fact that for the most part all people say is "Yeah, Led Zeppelin's awesome.", or "Led Zeppelin was one of the great bands of the late 60's and 70's."

But they rarely get the adulation that the Stones or the Beatles get.

Out of three polls here, they've never beaten the Beatles as "best" band.
People say, "I love 'em. It was hard, but I gotta give it to the Beatles."


Look at what you just said. You said you liked the way one of their songs seques into the next, that the 2 songs were complimentary.
OOOooh! SO overrated.

He has some unspoken "issue" with them.
Some Zep-Freak stole his girlfriend by playing Over the Hills and Far Away or something.