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[moviedoors]

What, are you ashamed admitting that some people are more noble and show more compassion than you?

You're really going to sway lots of people to your worldview with such a smug, full-of-yourself, superiority complex.

 

[KevanG]

If "animal rights" is an excuse for hundreds of thousands in property damage and physical violence, something's wrong with you.

Anything can be an excuse for massive property damage and physical violence. Winning/losing a sporting event, animal rights, human rights, $5 all you can eat pancakes. We're human, it's in us to break stuff when encouraged.

 

[Enriquespy]

Also, meat is delicious!

I would kill for some!!!

 

[KevanG]

You kinda have to. Unless it's like that three legged pig who saved the farmers family from a burning house. [BLACKOUT]You don't eat a pig like that all at once.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Alex_Spider]

If "animal rights" is an excuse for hundreds of thousands in property damage and physical violence, something's wrong with you.

Yeah right. Whatever suits you pal.

You're really going to sway lots of people to your worldview with such a smug, full-of-yourself, superiority complex.

I am still waiting for a proper answer as to why some people feel the need to go and free animals in extreme pain, putting their lives in danger and get imprisoned. Are they lunatics? Do they seek the thrill of adventure? And don't give me this "they are doing illegal actions". There are plenty of great men in history who broke the law and fought for a cause that after many years they were considered as heroes.
And just for the record this question was targeted specifically to zero since I had responded to him initially. I didn't meant everyone else

 

[Victarion]

Addressing the second point in your above post, Alex: are you looking for an answer as to why people sacrifice their lives and freedom to help animals in need?

 

[Alex_Spider]

Addressing the second point in your above post, Alex: are you looking for an answer as to why people sacrifice their lives and freedom to help animals in need?

Yes. Other than extreme compassion and nobility and a sense of self righteousness.

 

[KevanG]

Chicks.

 

[Teelie]

Tax write off too if they're a chariable organization.

 

[Alex_Spider]

Thank you gentlemen but Teelie I was reffering to the anonymous animal activists and not any of the official organizations. And to those who twisted my words, I never once mentioned that we vegans are superior or better than anyone else. I mentioned extreme compassion and nobility.

 

[zeroapoc]

. And to those who twisted my words, I never once mentioned that we vegans are superior or better than anyone else. I mentioned extreme compassion and nobility.

That's not true at all. You most definitely stated that vegans are more noble and capable of higher compassion. Aside from being a clear statement of superiority and smug self-satisfaction, it's also inaccurate.

I know you won't understand this but yes, a person's choice of diet isn't the be-all and end-all of their capacity for nobility and compassion.

 

[Teelie]

The thing is it's not merely black and white. It's black on one end, white on the other and a whole lotta grey in the middle.

People are not one or the other and nothing else. I dislike people who are into extremes only. If you see something or someone as one thing or another, you have completely ignored the complexity of life.

I don't like animal cruelty but I am not about to quit eating meat and would rather the industry be reformed, not destroyed because I have an over-sized sense of my own morality or opinions.

I'll never smoke marijuana but I don't think it should be illegal. Regulated, yes but not illegal. I drink alcohol but I don't drink in excess and rarely more than a beer or a few glasses of liquor at most in a night. I'm not against people getting drunk so long as they do so responsibly.

I may object to a lot of things but unless I can see them as truly detrimental I don't see why they should be illegal.

 

[Victarion]

Yes. Other than extreme compassion and nobility and a sense of self righteousness.

Notability or notoriety, depedending on their methodology as activists. Strong bonds with an animal of their own. Maybe our hypothetical animal died while in the activist's care. Afterward, a couple of things could've happened: the soon-to-be-activist who owned the animal was told that it was his/her fault the animal died, or the soon-to-be-activist blamed himself/herself for the animal's death. This would sow the seeds for a future as an animal activist. You can substitute "death" with "injury", "maiming" or whatever you like; death was the first thing that came to my mind.

Strong attachment to an animal, essentially. Therein lies the problem; too much emotional attachment and a lack of objectivity. The same thing that keeps a physician from treating his/her own relatives. There are issues in animal treatment that need to be addressed. However, the fact of those issues doesn't mean that animals as food/subjects should be seen in a blanket fashion as evil or unethical. As I stated back on page 1, I am firmly against mistreating animals used for my benefit. I'm not against using them as a food source or as subjects for science experiments.

 

[moviedoors]

I am still waiting for a proper answer as to why some people feel the need to go and free animals in extreme pain, putting their lives in danger and get imprisoned. Are they lunatics? Do they seek the thrill of adventure? And don't give me this "they are doing illegal actions". There are plenty of great men in history who broke the law and fought for a cause that after many years they were considered as heroes.
And just for the record this question was targeted specifically to zero since I had responded to him initially. I didn't meant everyone else

And yet you still reek of self importance.

Yes. Other than extreme compassion and nobility and a sense of self righteousness.

Do you really think this is an effective way to insight change? Who in this thread is now convinced?

 

[Alex_Spider]

And yet you still reek of self importance.

If that is how you perceive it then OK. Don't feel like repeating myself.

Do you really think this is an effective way to insight change? Who in this thread is now convinced?

Some people won't change no matter what I say or how I say it. Sadly, as with all cases of "revolutionary" ideas across history, only a few are those that spark the fire and then after a long time it becomes a common status by the majority. And I am certain that Veganism will be a common trend in the future along with moneyless societies in the vein of Star Trek.

 

[Teelie]

Star Trek wasn't vegan though and money will never go away although it might be replaced with a similar economic alternative. We used to barter before money was created afterall.

 

[Alex_Spider]

Notability or notoriety, depedending on their methodology as activists. Strong bonds with an animal of their own. Maybe our hypothetical animal died while in the activist's care. Afterward, a couple of things could've happened: the soon-to-be-activist who owned the animal was told that it was his/her fault the animal died, or the soon-to-be-activist blamed himself/herself for the animal's death. This would sow the seeds for a future as an animal activist. You can substitute "death" with "injury", "maiming" or whatever you like; death was the first thing that came to my mind.

Strong attachment to an animal, essentially. Therein lies the problem; too much emotional attachment and a lack of objectivity. The same thing that keeps a physician from treating his/her own relatives. There are issues in animal treatment that need to be addressed. However, the fact of those issues doesn't mean that animals as food/subjects should be seen in a blanket fashion as evil or unethical. As I stated back on page 1, I am firmly against mistreating animals used for my benefit. I'm not against using them as a food source or as subjects for science experiments.

I respect your deep analysis but I don't think it applies in all cases of animal activism. But it is an interesting and thoughtful take nevertheless.

 

[Alex_Spider]

Star Trek wasn't vegan though and money will never go away although it might be replaced with a similar economic alternative. We used to barter before money was created afterall.

Fair, but we can do better than Star Trek. Just by watching the current trends and tihe great things that people organize through the internet and the communities, the future I mentioned is inevitable. It may need a lot of pain and effort in the process, but eventually we will prosper globally.

 

[Victarion]

Of course not; there are plenty of well-adjusted people fighting for animal rights. I am addressing the more extreme instances in the original post.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

Some people won't change no matter what I say or how I say it. Sadly, as with all cases of "revolutionary" ideas across history, only a few are those that spark the fire and then after a long time it becomes a common status by the majority. And I am certain that Veganism will be a common trend in the future along with moneyless societies in the vein of Star Trek.

Its not a "revolutionary" idea, its just something people like you have latched on to in order to make themselves feel more important. You have demonstrated how much of a higher being you feel you are compared to others based on your choice to be a vegan. Thats an EXTREMELY common theme amongst people like yourself. Eating animals isnt some new fad that you rebels are trying to eliminate. From the dawn of mankind and all throughout the animal kingdom, meat is consumed.

The only way veganism will become standard would be if there is some global catastrophe that kills all meat based life forms save for humans. Or the crazy vegan activist start a war and actually win. The former is far more likely.

Instead of firebombing animal clinics, why dont these idiots develop better, cheaper and cleaner forms of animal farms. I mean i understand thats not nearly as cool and exciting as tossing a pipe bomb into a laboratory, but it would go a MUCH longer way in to helping the overall cause.

Meat consummation isnt going away, but it sure as hell could be handled cleaner, more efficiently, humanely and probably cheaper. Maybe you vegan activist should get on that.

 

[Alex_Spider]

Its not a "revolutionary" idea, its just something people like you have latched on to in order to make themselves feel more important. You have demonstrated how much of a higher being you feel you are compared to others based on your choice to be a vegan. Thats an EXTREMELY common theme amongst people like yourself. Eating animals isnt some new fad that you rebels are trying to eliminate. From the dawn of mankind and all throughout the animal kingdom, meat is consumed.

The only way veganism will become standard would be if there is some global catastrophe that kills all meat based life forms save for humans. Or the crazy vegan activist start a war and actually win. The former is far more likely.

Instead of firebombing animal clinics, why dont these idiots develop better, cheaper and cleaner forms of animal farms. I mean i understand thats not nearly as cool and exciting as tossing a pipe bomb into a laboratory, but it would go a MUCH longer way in to helping the overall cause.

Meat consummation isnt going away, but it sure as hell could be handled cleaner, more efficiently, humanely and probably cheaper. Maybe you vegan activist should get on that.

There is no way you can get cleaner and more humane slaughter farms. It is practically impossible and would be a disaster financially. That's the truth. You can still call me a person "full of myself" and all that, but the reality is out there and if we all don't stop eating meat there can never be better conditions in farms.

 

[Teelie]

There are plenty of ways farms can and have been improved but you are determined into believing otherwise and will never change your mind. Just as those who eat meat will not decide to stop eating it because you use words and phrases meant to convey an offensive description of how some farms operate and aren't the standard (though I'm sure you'll retiterate they are without proof).