FBI declared No1 domestic terrorism threat

[Teelie]

What do you mean by "they do more harm than good?" The economic disaster they cause to the farms and slaughterhouses by freeing animals? At least no human being has died as far as I know. And the farm owners could very well grow vegetables and fruits after their finances are getting hit by an eco-terrorism act. But still it's not like they wont be able to live like they used to.

Where will these cows, chickens, goats, turkeys, pigs, horses, etc go? How will they find enough food to eat? How many are going to learn what a "vehicle" is without meeting one face to face?

Growing vegatables is not as profitable nor economical or practical or even remotely the same thing as raising livestock so you are way too optimistic to think someone will go, "well I'll just grow some corn then."

But I also imagine you're against GMO so you'd be against that too. And let's not use pesticides so you're really just looking at prolonging their inevitable bankruptcy and completly ruining their lives.

This isn't even getting into the problem of their reproducing, or competing with native animals, spreading disease or how to convert an entire economy into a vegetarian utopia.

I can't think of any other way really that you can release an animal that is clearly suffering and being tortured in a filthy, confined space etc. so in a sense I understand the driving force behind those eco-terrorists. I see them more as noble human beings with heightened feelings and compassion towards all beings as much as selfish this might sound.

While I'm not behnd keeping animals in cramped, uncomfortable confines, I'm even less for making their lives all that much shorter because they literally stand less chance of survival if they're "released into the wild" as if releasing non-native animals to a new habitat ever proved to be a good thing.

 

[Alex_Spider]

Yep. Vegans are just better people. More highly evolved and all that.

Sarcasm seems to your primer guide I see. And what is the reason for men and women who go and free animals in pain, risking their lives or get imprisoned other than nobility and high self righteousness? Seeking to be famous? lol. Obviously not, otherwise they would not cover their faces.

Where will these cows, chickens, goats, turkeys, pigs, horses, etc go? How will they find enough food to eat? How many are going to learn what a "vehicle" is without meeting one face to face?

Growing vegatables is not as profitable nor economical or practical or even remotely the same thing as raising livestock so you are way too optimistic to think someone will go, "well I'll just grow some corn then."

But I also imagine you're against GMO so you'd be against that too. And let's not use pesticides so you're really just looking at prolonging their inevitable bankruptcy and completly ruining their lives.

This isn't even getting into the problem of their reproducing, or competing with native animals, spreading disease or how to convert an entire economy into a vegetarian utopia.

While I'm not behnd keeping animals in cramped, uncomfortable confines, I'm even less for making their lives all that much shorter because they literally stand less chance of survival if they're "released into the wild" as if releasing non-native animals to a new habitat ever proved to be a good thing.

Fair enough. It is a long discussion with many social parameters to keep in mind as you very wise point out. In the end people are gonna do whatever they feel like and the law will try to stop them. That's how life goes.

 

[Destructus86]

I never trust a man who doesn't eat meat.

 

[PemLam]

I never trust a man who doesn't eat meat.

I believe it's been scientifically proven that non meat-eaters are responsible for global warming, socks going missing from your dryer and slow internet speeds. Pretty sure I saw that somewhere.

 

[Alex_Spider]

I never trust a man who doesn't eat meat.

lol. You should be glad Vegans exist. More meat available for your plate.t:

I believe it's been scientifically proven that non meat-eaters are responsible for global warming, socks going missing from your dryer and slow internet speeds. Pretty sure I saw that somewhere.

And car accidents lol

 

[zeroapoc]

Sarcasm seems to your primer guide I see.

If you didn't make grandiose self congratulatory statements like that I wouldn't have the opportunity.

 

[SuperFerret]

I like this guy. He's fun.


Also, **** anyone who's for "animal rights". Most of them are deluded and literally have no idea what the movement is about, and the rest are lunatics.

 

[TheBat812]

Death to all vegans? Talk about hyperbole. In the same way Muslims get a bad rap from their extremist members, so too is it with vegans/animal rights groups. Sorry they have so many crazies making your group look bad, leading to them to be the most dangerous group of extremists according to the FBI.

 

[The Question]

Also, the title of this thread implies that the FBI was declared to be the number one domestic terrorism threat.

 

[DarkSovereignty]

Well aren't they?

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Why make a thread based on an Article that was written all the way back in 2005?

I should make a thread that talks about the Apple making a phone. Likes that's gonna succeed.

 

[SuperFerret]

Death to all vegans? Talk about hyperbole. In the same way Muslims get a bad rap from their extremist members, so too is it with vegans/animal rights groups. Sorry they have so many crazies making your group look bad, leading to them to be the most dangerous group of extremists according to the FBI.

The thing is the FBI has never listed "vegans" (or "Muslims", for that matter) as dangerous groups. They have listed specific groups, typically those filled with dangerous people, as dangerous groups.

Animal Rights groups tend to fall under three categories. First are the ones that are actually Animal Welfare groups and just get labeled as Animal Rights or call themselves that due to a misunderstanding of the differences between the two. Second are the groups that work towards Animal Rights in mostly peaceful manners, and these are basically attention seeking groups with little chance of actually accomplishing anything near their goals. Third are the eco-terrorist groups that destroy lives and property to further Animal Rights, which typically backfires because using violence to change such long-standing societal norms is either impossible or requires such large amounts of violence that they might as well declare open war upon society (which likely won't end well for them). Decide for yourself where PETA falls here, they have shades of all three.

 

[Teelie]

Well aren't they?

No, the NSA is.

Damn, that means I've just been flagged.

 

[The Question]

Well aren't they?

Well, statistically speaking, the average American is significantly more likely to killed by an officer of the law than by a terrorist.

 

[Alex_Spider]

If you didn't make grandiose self congratulatory statements like that I wouldn't have the opportunity.

Ant yet still no answer behind the reasons that force men and women to free animals in pain. What, are you ashamed admitting that some people are more noble and show more compassion than you? Or do you consider those virtues as a weakness?

I like this guy. He's fun.

Also, **** anyone who's for "animal rights". Most of them are deluded and literally have no idea what the movement is about, and the rest are lunatics.

lol. What an amusing statement.

Also, the title of this thread implies that the FBI was declared to be the number one domestic terrorism threat.

That's called a publicity stunt for the thread to get more attention

 

[SuperFerret]

lol. What an amusing statement.

How so? It's the truth. Many people for "Animal Rights" try and make efforts to improve the status of animals in industry, completely ignorant of the fact that those efforts (which are admirable and not something I'm saying is negative) are not Animal Rights, but Animal Welfare. Animal Rights doesn't want non-humans and humans to intermingle at all. Humans aren't allowed to use animals at all, not for food, not for work, not even for pets. Yet many people claiming to be for Animal Rights don't know this.

The ones that do are either deluded into thinking that it's possible for such things to ever come to pass, or crazy enough to think that they'll be able to force it along.


But here's the thing, you won't listen to me. My words won't get you to think my way at all. I am curious though, why are you a vegan? What is your motivation for championing the Animal Rights cause?

 

[Alex_Spider]

How so? It's the truth. Many people for "Animal Rights" try and make efforts to improve the status of animals in industry, completely ignorant of the fact that those efforts (which are admirable and not something I'm saying is negative) are not Animal Rights, but Animal Welfare. Animal Rights doesn't want non-humans and humans to intermingle at all. Humans aren't allowed to use animals at all, not for food, not for work, not even for pets. Yet many people claiming to be for Animal Rights don't know this.

The ones that do are either deluded into thinking that it's possible for such things to ever come to pass, or crazy enough to think that they'll be able to force it along.

Honestly I didn't make much sense from what you re saying. I would appreciate if you could write a little bit more clear what do you mean exactly.

But here's the thing, you won't listen to me. My words won't get you to think my way at all. I am curious though, why are you a vegan? What is your motivation for championing the Animal Rights cause?

I will listen to anyone that has a valid argument even if I disagree with. You 're asking why I am a Vegan? It's easy really.

Mostly because I don't like getting pleasure from eating animals that have been slaughtered in horrific ways, baby calves getting separated violently from their mothers and then disposed to trash, cows getting impregnated by force to produce more milk etc.

Secondly, it is proven scientifically that we don't need meat at all nor dairy and it does more harm than good. All the nutrients are in plants and fruits, but of course the dairy industry and slaughter farms have every interest in the world to make their propaganda on people. And even if you don't believe this or if it was not true, I would still refuse to eat meat as long as they live and die in pain.

And in general I don't wear animal skin or fur, don't attend to the circus or zoo, nor do I have a pet.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

When your biggest domestic threat only damages corporate property exclusively you know you have first world problems.

 

[Schlosser85]

Equating owning a pet with animal torture is ridiculously ignorant.

Yes, let's release all domesticated dogs and cats into the wild, despite the fact that they've been bred for thousands of years to crave human affection and half of them would have no idea how to fend for themselves...

 

[Teelie]

It's not been proven scientifically. In fact the only thing scientifically proven is a lack of a well balanced diet is more harmful than good.

While you are right the meat industry has a vested interest in keeping people eating meat, it's also not wrong. The vegan diet is not ideal, natural or normal for humans. We're omnivores and every last factual study has shown that. Not ones with a clearly biased agenda or financial backing that lean towards one side or another.

You can stay on that pedastal of being the uber-vegan spouting off emotional diatribes meant to offend and sicken people while the rest of us lowly meat eaters wander about aimlessly looking for the next animal to sink our teeth into.

The way to change people's perspective is not to attack their way of life and try to appall them with your exaggerated and gross claims that the entire meat industry takes joy in torture.

 

[zeroapoc]

What, are you ashamed admitting that some people are more noble and show more compassion than you?

How are you possibly in any position to know that's the case? Good lord.

 

[Alex_Spider]

When your biggest domestic threat only damages corporate property exclusively you know you have first world problems.

You nailed it again.

Equating owning a pet with animal torture is ridiculously ignorant.

Yes, let's release all domesticated dogs and cats into the wild, despite the fact that they've been bred for thousands of years to crave human affection and half of them would have no idea how to fend for themselves...

I didn't say I am equating a pet with animal torture, just personally for me it goes against my ethics. Or better it is bad for my aesthetics. The view of a strap in an animal's neck and the constraint of his moves in a small cage or room just don't appeal to me. That is all. Extreme? Yes it might be, but also honest.

Yeah let's release them and give them a chance of a truly free life. That's the point of freedom.

It's not been proven scientifically. In fact the only thing scientifically proven is a lack of a well balanced diet is more harmful than good.

While you are right the meat industry has a vested interest in keeping people eating meat, it's also not wrong. The vegan diet is not ideal, natural or normal for humans. We're omnivores and every last factual study has shown that. Not ones with a clearly biased agenda or financial backing that lean towards one side or another.

If it was not ideal there wouldn't be so many people becoming rapidly Vegan, from anonymous ones, to famous athletes, actors etc.

You can stay on that pedastal of being the uber-vegan spouting off emotional diatribes meant to offend and sicken people while the rest of us lowly meat eaters wander about aimlessly looking for the next animal to sink our teeth into.

The way to change people's perspective is not to attack their way of life and try to appall them with your exaggerated and gross claims that the entire meat industry takes joy in torture.

Have you taken any look at how the majority of slaughter farms are being operated? I am not exaggerating a bit. The reality of the subject is gross itself. Not my words.

How are you possibly in any position to know that's the case? Good lord.

4rth time and still no answer. You 're doing great.

 

[BATZARRO WWD]

And in general I don't wear animal skin or fur, don't attend to the circus or zoo, nor do I have a pet.

Your veganism and my poverty seem so alike now.

 

[Alex_Spider]

Your veganism and my poverty seem so alike now.

lol. You got a point there.

 

[Poetic Chaos]

If "animal rights" is an excuse for hundreds of thousands in property damage and physical violence, something's wrong with you.