F'dup Chapters in American History(The Trump Years) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 23

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[LTuser]

I have a serious question for some of the conservative members. I honestly want to know what was so awful during the Obama years? All I ever see online is people griping that the last years were so bad that it is now so great that Trump is in power. None of the fears they had under the Obama years were justified. The whole he’s gonna take our guns, we are going to have to convert Islam, etc. I didn’t agree with everything he did, just like every other President before him.

For me..
1) The ACA. I know a hell of a lot of folk who either LOST their provider/insurance plans cause the ACA jacked it up, or who were Cash based care people (paying in cash when they needed to see a doc) who cause of the ACA are now being punished (via the individual mandate), cause of it.

2) The whole 'this thug could have been my son', support of crooks, over cops. Hell, he went TO some funerals FOR those crooks, but never to a cops funeral?

3) Syria. HE made what, 2 redlines and not once kept them..

4) Made us imo MORE politically divided. Before Obama, i felt there was actualy MORE cooperation between the parties, and more civility between the voters for the parties.. During his time in, that civility went away, and got extremely heated during the trump-hillary run off.

5) Did more to raise our natl debt than all the prior presidents before him..

6) Encouraging Racial Polarization: No president ever had a better opportunity to encourage racial reconciliation than Obama. Instead, America’s first black president went in exactly the opposite direction and tried to create as much racial polarization as possible because he thought it benefited him politically. Unlike Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton, Obama is subtler. His administration encouraged hatred of police, turned a blind eye to race riots and did nothing to slow down the incessant cries of “racism” from his supporters that greeted every disagreement with Obama’s policies.

and lastly 7) Arming a # of fed agencies that don't need to be.

That is why I feel obama was bad for our country.

 

[Sithborg]

Blaming Obama for the rise, or more accurately, being bolder in their racism, is idiotic.

As for him and BLM, even MLK acknowledged the value of riots as a way of expressing anger. As for him being sympathetic to BLM, I go back to the opening scene of Black Lightning. That starkly portrays the reality of a black man in this nation. Even one of the well off ones, like Obama was.

As for what is going on right now, apparently Trump's lawyers are trying to prevent the 60 minutes Stormy Daniels interview from airing. I am kind of surprised at the how this story is sticking around, like the Rob Porter story.

 

[Schlosser85]

SO how is that NOT being discriminatory "You can't work here if your religion is Y"?

It's not a matter of your religion, it's a matter of allowing it to affect your professional behavior to the point where you refuse to do crucial aspects of your job.

People aren't banned from working as a nurse because they're any certain religion. They're banned from working as a nurse if they take their religious beliefs to the point of refusing to get vaccinated and bringing preventable diseases into a workplace where they closely interact with people with compromised immune systems.

It's not that hard to understand why that's a no no.

 

[moviedoors]

It's not a matter of your religion, it's a matter of allowing it to affect your professional behavior to the point where you refuse to do crucial aspects of your job.

People aren't banned from working as a nurse because they're any certain religion. They're banned from working as a nurse if they take their religious beliefs to the point of refusing to get vaccinated and bringing preventable diseases into a workplace where they closely interact with people with compromised immune systems.

It's not that hard to understand why that's a no no.

It's like he didn't even read what I wrote.

I was careful to point out "for whatever reason." Not all people opposed to vaccinations are religiously motivated. I frankly don't care what motivates them. They have no business being healthcare providers if they aren't willing to take the most basic of precautions around immunocompromised individuals.

Tuberculosis and hepatitis and the flu will kill.

My hospital employs over 7,000 people and every last one of them is required to get vaccinations. They're not all atheists.

 

[Donner]

LT doesn't care about honest debate. Come on, he's been posting here for how long now and just regurgitates old myths. He's not even trying.

 

[samsnee]

When people say Obama made us more racially divided, I take that to mean people liked it more when people of color just accepted things the way they were instead of protesting and calling it out.

 

[squeekness]

When people say Obama made us more racially divided, I take that to mean people liked it more when people of color just accepted things the way they were instead of protesting and calling it out.

They probably did.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It does get scary when the most "racist" thing you can do is point out racism or even racial inequality in general.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Obama destroyed race relations by not condoning police brutality.

 

[Sithborg]

In other fun news, I caught the end of Betsy Devos' inteview for 60 minutes. I need to find the full interview.

Trigger warning for Kelly and other teachers. She is an idiot.

 

[squeekness]

We've known that for some time.

 

[LTuser]

When people say Obama made us more racially divided, I take that to mean people liked it more when people of color just accepted things the way they were instead of protesting and calling it out.

Before Obama, did we see groups of teens/adults at school, pushing to go BACK to being segregated? No, in fact for 40+ years we fought to STOP being segregated.

 

[Sithborg]

You are going to have to be a bit more specific on how that is Obama's fault.

Because I can tell you, a big driver of segregation by another name in my home state, aka school choice, is our current Sec. of Education.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Are we having a serious argument that racist reacting poorly to the existence of a black president is seriously his fault?

 

[Ouch]

Are we having a serious argument that racist reacting poorly to the existence of a black president is seriously his fault?

You know they felt Obama was an uppity n-word.

 

[RetrogradeOrbit]

Are we having a serious argument that racist reacting poorly to the existence of a black president is seriously his fault?

Well, it is his fault that he has dark skin...

 

[chamber-music]

Division between the Republicans and Democrats wasn't down to Obama.

Mitch McConnell infamous quote ‘my number one priority is making sure president Obama’s a one-term president.’
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The Republicans made undermining, obstructing and alienating Obama the top of their agenda. McConnell's whole strategy for getting the Republicans back into power was no compromising with Obama.

Biden says that during the transition, he was warned not to expect any cooperation on many votes. “I spoke to seven different Republican Senators, who said, `Joe, I’m not going to be able to help you on anything,’ he recalls. His informants said [Senate Minority Leader Mitch] McConnell had demanded unified resistance. “The way it was characterized to me was: `For the next two years, we can’t let you succeed in anything. That’s our ticket to coming back,’” Biden says.

The vice president says he hasn’t even told Obama who his sources were, but Bob Bennett of Utah and Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania both confirmed they had conversations with Biden along these lines.

Grunwald goes on to cite former Sen. George Voinovich:
“He wanted everyone to hold the fort. All he cared about was making sure Obama could never have a clean victory.”

Go back and look at how the Republicans behaved when Obama first became President.

Republicans blockaded almost his every step. From repairing the economy to protecting consumers against predatory financial institutions, from bolstering the nation's clean energy infrastructure to cooperating on the federal budget, Republicans have stood in the way.

What they haven't been able to stop outright, they've diluted. All focused on making Obama fail. Even past Republican ideas were shot down. It hasn't mattered to them how much damage their strategy caused to the country, to the American people. Everything was focused on undermining Barack Obama.

Plenty of Republicans were actually ok with Obama on certain issues and willing to work with him but McConnell made them stick to partisan lines.

I'm not sure how Obama encouraged racial polarization in America
The racial polarization was always there.

People didn't just say I'm a racist now because President Obama said a unarmed kid that got killed could of been my son.

There are people out there that treat talking about racial issues as encouraging it. It is deflecting. Having a actual honest conversation instead of sweeping these things under a rug is what needs to happen, it is never going to happen if people don't have the courage to take a long hard look at the issues.

Obama tried to talk about issues racial as a biracial man who has no doubt had first hand experience of them. Outside of the bigots what he said resonated with a lot of people who understood where he was coming from.

 

[Kelly]

For me..
1) The ACA. I know a hell of a lot of folk who either LOST their provider/insurance plans cause the ACA jacked it up, or who were Cash based care people (paying in cash when they needed to see a doc) who cause of the ACA are now being punished (via the individual mandate), cause of it.

2) The whole 'this thug could have been my son', support of crooks, over cops. Hell, he went TO some funerals FOR those crooks, but never to a cops funeral?

3) Syria. HE made what, 2 redlines and not once kept them..

4) Made us imo MORE politically divided. Before Obama, i felt there was actualy MORE cooperation between the parties, and more civility between the voters for the parties.. During his time in, that civility went away, and got extremely heated during the trump-hillary run off.

5) Did more to raise our natl debt than all the prior presidents before him..

6) Encouraging Racial Polarization: No president ever had a better opportunity to encourage racial reconciliation than Obama. Instead, America’s first black president went in exactly the opposite direction and tried to create as much racial polarization as possible because he thought it benefited him politically. Unlike Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton, Obama is subtler. His administration encouraged hatred of police, turned a blind eye to race riots and did nothing to slow down the incessant cries of “racism” from his supporters that greeted every disagreement with Obama’s policies.

and lastly 7) Arming a # of fed agencies that don't need to be.

That is why I feel obama was bad for our country.

1. I could probably name just as many if not more that have been helped by ACA. Poorly written law I will agree...but bad enough to totally throw it out and start over? no...

2. I have long time said that Obama as a lawyer should have known to NEVER throw his 2 cents into legal matters when his opinion could factor into a juries thinking.....not smart and should have never happened. If you could show sources of what funerals he went to, I don't remember him going to any of the funerals of any of the controversial cop shootings. He did however go to the funerals of the police officers shot in Dallas.... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...churn-in-other-cities/?utm_term=.c9d69bfe275a

3. Obama should have never drawn any line, considering we were between a rock and a hard place as to who to side with....sometimes not taking a side is the best policy and shutting up.

4. I disagree, the last time Democrats and Republicans actually sat down and worked together was Clinton, they did very little working together during Bush's 8 years, however, I do believe that Obama's disrespect of McCain during the committee meetings over ACA was a point where there was no return.

5. Our National Debt has been a snowball since Reagan and trickle down and 2 Bush wars....Many times the President after is the President that gets the blame when it was actually started by the President before. Did Obama do anything to slow the snowball? no....but did he cause it? no....

6. Could Obama have done more? Yes....although I thought his speeches on Father's Day spoke to the heart of many of the problems of today. However, yes he could have done more to begin tempering the rhetoric being thrown around for sure when it came to racism.

So as you can see, I was not a fan of Obama. I have made that clear for many years on this site. I would have voted for McCain in 2008, had he been the McCain of 2000, he wasn't he was a shell of that man and his health could be seen as a problem early on. I felt Obama could bring change that was sorely needed and he did not. So he got my vote in 2008, but not in 2012....

I have come to understand that though I believe Obama to be much better man in his treatment of women, A MUCH BETTER MAN...I saw him and Trump as two sides of the same coin. They both loved campaigning, but had little desire to really be a President of change.

I have had a major problem when it comes to voting for a President, there is usually not one that comes near my thoughts and desires of a President. However, I would have sat down and had a beer with Reagan, HW Bush, Clinton, W Bush and Obama.....I would however not give Trump the time of day. My paycheck may be a little bigger today, my portfolio is hurting however. Other than that, I think he is a disgusting parasite of a man who will never have my respect or my vote, and making an argument for him that is simply tearing down other Presidents before him is the weakest argument of them all....

 

[BrollySupersj]

Looks like Trump really wants to push the idea of arming teachers. Look, if you want more guns at a school, why not just have more cops? Seems like the more plausible alternative, instead of arming hundreds and thousands of civilians with guns and not having the mental preparation of taking a life
Or being in a high stress, life and death situation.

 

[Sithborg]

That's what Fox has been pushing. And he got yelled at by the NRA.

 

[Schlosser85]

I like how everyone is just now up in arms about DeVos being a blithering idiot because she couldn’t answer basic questions on 60 Minutes. She was the exact same way in her confirmation hearing, so why is this breaking news.

 

[Sithborg]

Just puts her back in the spotlight again. Also, 60 Minutes is a tad more mainstream than CSPAN.

 

[Lily Adler]

Stormy Daniels is apparently offering to give the hush money back.