F'dup Chapters in American History(The Trump Years) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

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[Wheels]

You have to get people to vote for you, not against the other person. Not being Trump wasn't enough and it's not going to be enough.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

But given America's first-past-the-post voting system, it often comes down to the person you hate least. Unlike in other mature democracies with representative voting.

 

[Sithborg]

Its Friday...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...malloch-trump-campaign-figure-and-farage-ally

Pretty much confirms that Stone and Assange are a major point of interest to Mueller. So, that would explain why that one guy had a drunken meltdown on national TV... when? Feels like months ago.

 

[Wheels]

But given America's first-past-the-post voting system, it often comes down to the person you hate least. Unlike in other mature democracies with representative voting.

All I know is that I voted for Obama because I bought into him. I didn't hate his opponent. Now whether I should have bought in is a different conversation....

 

[Dr Lee]

Its Friday...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...malloch-trump-campaign-figure-and-farage-ally

Pretty much confirms that Stone and Assange are a major point of interest to Mueller. So, that would explain why that one guy had a drunken meltdown on national TV... when? Feels like months ago.

Really ****ing hoping that Farage get's caught up in all of this... would love to see that racist **** locked up in a cell for a few years. Farage deserves it and a lot more.

 

[samsnee]

Leave it to Cheetoh to take credit for Roseanne’s success.

 

[terry78]

And they're renewing it apparently.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Did anyone even know the Trump presidency was gonna be part of the new Barr show at all before it premiered, really? Like... Beyond entertainment junkies, was this a selling point to the mass audience? Honest question as I rarely watch ABC. If not then my humble suggestion is the ratings are more due to the return of an iconic show and star from decades ago (Which also had a sheen of "How are they gonna pull this off"? curiosity going on what with the fate of John Goodman's character in the original series.) than to some deep insight into the "zeitgeist".

 

[mclay18]

And despite her crazy talk, Roseanne lobbied for gay people written into the original show. And then for the revival it was her idea that one of Darlene's kids be gender fluid. And the fact that she was not elected President ( as opposed to Trump) is another.

You know Trump's priorities are rather than actually do his job.

 

[Lighthouse]

So he can't call troops families, but he can call Rosanne to congratulate her for high ratings.

 

[childeroland]

I felt Roseanne made fun of herself as much as she did Clinton supporters. I don't get her love of Trump, but the revival is really sharp and funny.

 

[Sithborg]

Something that could be interesting to watch, apparently they have the person who is suspected to be Guccifer 2.0 in FBI custody.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Something that could be interesting to watch, apparently they have the person who is suspected to be Guccifer 2.0 in FBI custody.

Source?

So we'll know for sure if this person is Russian Intel linked?

 

[DKDetective]

But given America's first-past-the-post voting system, it often comes down to the person you hate least. Unlike in other mature democracies with representative voting.

First past the post is the least of your problems. Plenty of other mature democracies have first past the post system and don't have your problems. Your stupid constitution which vests the majority of government powers in the states (which prevents the enlightened progressive majority from dragging backwards Hicks into the 21st century), as well as the politicization of your judiciary are much bigger problems.

 

[Sithborg]

It looks like it is only belief that he could be Guccifer, since the actual articles I have seen don't mention Guccifer.

https://www.theguardian.com/technol...tep-closer-to-us-extradition-yevgeniy-nikulin

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/30/politics/yevgeniy-nikulin-linkedin-extradition/index.html

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

It looks like it is only belief that he could be Guccifer, since the actual articles I have seen don't mention Guccifer.

https://www.theguardian.com/technol...tep-closer-to-us-extradition-yevgeniy-nikulin

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/30/politics/yevgeniy-nikulin-linkedin-extradition/index.html

Thanks.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

First past the post is the least of your problems. Plenty of other mature democracies have first past the post system and don't have your problems. Your stupid constitution which vests the majority of government powers in the states (which prevents the enlightened progressive majority from dragging backwards Hicks into the 21st century), as well as the politicization of your judiciary are much bigger problems.

In the context of the discussion taking place and what was quoted and focused on, first past the post is indeed a bigger issue than those two. Maybe you should follow the discussion instead of jumping blindly in.

 

[Fading]

Trump really does love Fox News, doesn't he? Like to unhealthy levels. Bolton was a frequent FN guest. Trump randomly hired a guest lawyer appearing on Fox, and it cost him big. As his last real, and lead Russian lawyer left him over it. Now he hired another Fox News person to do something with PR.

Good/bad thing is a lot of FN's advice to him has bit him in the ass. I guess that's what happens when you only listen to suck ups spewing your propaganda.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Trump really does love Fox News, doesn't he? Like to unhealthy levels. Bolton was a frequent FN guest. Trump randomly hired a guest lawyer appearing on Fox, and it cost him big. As his last real, and lead Russian lawyer left him over it. Now he hired another Fox News person to do something with PR.

Good/bad thing is a lot of FN's advice to him has bit him in the ass. I guess that's what happens when you only listen to suck ups spewing your propaganda.

I have a big thing about, well... Caricatures, and by that I mean the usually hyperbolic and straw man version of things that none the less maybe do describe behaviour that is seen in some group. When the fanboy/fangirls here play up to all the stereotypes about the nerd/genre fan it frustrates the hell out of me. And yet... Trump is a living breathing caricature. Go back at least 35 years and you'll see that Trump, his administration, his party and the rank and file members and citizens that voted for him are living up to all the caricatures and stereotypes about them. If you were to have chronicled all that has transpired since the election of Trump in say a comic book format back in the late 70's or early 80's you'd have been told it was just too over the top and lacking nuance. No characters have ZERO depth, right? The lack of ubiquitous outrage should cross all party lines, right? I mean, credulity has it's limits, RIGHT?

And yet... Here we are. A man that was the owner of casinos that lost money and who was a "reality" TV host who won his political influence through demagoguery and lowest common denominator bottom of the barrel appeal is literally picking his advisors by what he finds that most flattering to him on cable TV regardless of actual wisdom, insights, education or experience these people have in the fields in which he's hoping to put them in charge.


People that voted for this man, especially those that have some real historical perspective... If you had seen a TV show or movie from say, the early 90's that depicted a "Conservative Republican" in the way that, well... TRUMP ACTUALLY IS, wouldn't you have been blowing a gasket at the assassination of Conservative character happening?


And yet... This was predicted and inevitable given that a segment of this country, MUCH MORE THAN THE OTHER SIDE, gave up on coherent policy and rational politics of self interest a lifetime ago. If coherent policy on any number of issues were really what "Conservative/Evangelical/Libertarian" types were about they wouldn't have voted for half the elected officials they've put into office over the last 25 plus years or so lock step supported their agenda. This was on more than plain display for all to see, good GOD think about this... 16 years ago when we saw that despite almost none of the policy goals of the Iraq war achieved, people still supported the policy and the even continuing direct engagement of our military no matter that after all the lives destroyed and funds spent we have nothing particularly meaningful to show for those efforts, nationally speaking. But you will still find people eager to defend such a colossal willful mistake, and it was willful because the counter narrative, with counter information and counter analysis, backed up by more than wishful thinking as well was more than available to be drunk in and chewed over by the masses. And now, one of the architechts of that same sad slow motion car crash again has the ear of a less than stellar in the Oval Office.

 

[Aximili86]

The Bolton stuff is hilarious. I get disagreeing with him, but let's not do this convenient "he's that guy from Fox News" thing like punditry is this guy's career apex. Yes, he's been one of these talking heads on cable for the last few years, absolutely. But he's held high government positions before that (State Department & Justice Department under Reagan and H.W Bush, UN Ambassador under W Bush), he's a diplomat, an attorney.

Not seeing eye-to-eye with the guy is one thing, hating his politics is fine. But Bolton's not "some Fox News guy" and more than calling Carville "a go-to CNN guy" is fair. It's part of it, it's hardly the whole.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

The Bolton stuff is hilarious. I get disagreeing with him, but let's not do this convenient "he's that guy from Fox News" thing like punditry is this guy's career apex. Yes, he's been one of these talking heads on cable for the last few years, absolutely. But he's held high government positions before that (State Department & Justice Department under Reagan and H.W Bush, UN Ambassador under W Bush), he's a diplomat, an attorney.

Not seeing eye-to-eye with the guy is one thing, hating his politics is fine. But Bolton's not "some Fox News guy" and more than calling Carville "a go-to CNN guy" is fair. It's part of it, it's hardly the whole.

Missed the part where it's noted that he was PREVIOUSLY in government, huh...? And the pointing out of the signature policy he was a part of shaping as a failure that achieved none of the geo-strategic goals it set out to do...? And then there's the indiscriminate death, chaos and of course the thing that seems to matter the least to many who decide these things in government when run by the GOP, American lives that were the result.

Face it... The current president didn't choose Bolton because of his resume, as filled with failure, stupidity and a moron's sense of willful ignorance at odds with reality ( And... NO, given the level of incompetence shown by the BUSH II administration, ain't none of that hyperbole. He's not a respected or accomplished member of the foreign policy set.... He's a hasbeen, preening, angry fool that was a **** show the last time he had influence over American policy that proved disastrous to this country... ) as it is.


No.


He chose him because he's on FOX news and because certain folks in the real world and online would rather "spit in the eyes of the Libs" than have a workable foreign policy that balances America's geo-political, economic and security goals with our values and commitment to greater justice and a stable world order. Look at the number of people he's already either appointed or tried out who have drawn a check from Murdoch's "Entertainment" channel. Maybe you want to think it's just sour grapes. Fine. You'd be wrong though and the evidence that the President himself provides with his daily action, rhetoric and pronouncements plain for all to see would back that up.

To be blunt.... Bolton was an aggro imbecile a decade and half ago and he's an imbecile today.


You know what's really ****ing hilarious? Trump running on the idea that he's against "stupid wars" and bringing in as National Security Advisor John Bolton.



Before its brought up... Hillary and the Dems of the time should have voted against it, period. They were stupid and cowardly... But we all also know that they wouldn't have come up with the idea in the first place either so I don't think some kind of deflection is successful when trying to bring that up.

 

[Aximili86]

It doesn't matter if Trump chose him for some petty TV reason - he probably did. Fact is, Bolton's still basically a career public service guy. He's the real deal, disagree with him as you may. Taking a paycheck from Fox for the last few years hardly discounts his years of actual government work - the guy's a ****load more experienced than half of the advisors close to Obama were.

Hate him all you want, that's fine. The "TV guy!" stuff is intentionally dismissive bull****, though, completely unfair.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I agree.

Him being a tv pundit isn't the worst thing he's done.

His public record, especially regarding Iraq, is far, far worse and has destroyed countless lives