FF Movie set in the Marvel Cinematic Universe...

[Mr. Fixit]

They'll hold onto the movie rights even if it bombs.

Know why?

 

[Chris B]

My two cents on a MCU FF film, I think they'd probably have to retell their origin story. Which I don't think would be too big of a deal since the '05 film didn't do that great of a job with it and I don't have high hopes for the new film either. I'd prefer it if they were already established, but I think that would be hard to do continuity wise.

The other thing I would do is save Dr. Doom for the second film albeit with a few hints of him coming later. Mole Man or Super-Skrull/the Skrulls would be the best options for villains, IMO.

 

[BatsDC]

One thing I'd like to see played up in a new series of Fantastic Four films is the whole adventure aspect. Show them in some fantastical location before they get their powers, discovering lost lands and treasures. And then continue that when they do have their powers - Mole Man should have a vast, almost alien land which he inhabits. Latveria should be a real vast, GoT-esque land with castles and sprawling mountains. There's so much visual potential for this series.

 

[justanotherguy]

The Fantastic Four, if integrated into the MCU, could seamlessly be shown not only to exist during this crazy time of heroes, but to have existed the whole time(and before Iron Man). Some of you have mentioned some of the aspects that would make this work.

As mentioned, The F4 have somethings that the Avengers, Guardians and upcoming Defenders do not. First, of course, is Family. Second, and numerically only, is that this is a team of explorers and adventurers. Of course they can be heroic, but as unit, they are out to see the world and the universe. Not only that, they are fairly familiar with time travel. Unlike DFOP, Dr. Reed Richards would not disrupt a timeline.
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The timeline is the natural explanation of their previous existence. The MCU Earth at this point has several gaps in it http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline . The fertile ground here is 1985-1997, as well as 2000-2007.

Having Reed, Victor and Ben around the same age of Stark,Banner and Barton makes a lot of sense. It gives Reed the same intellectual clout as the others and introduces a sort of "Genius Generation" in the MCU. Ben would be an appropriately aged military pilot astronaut, which could include a crossing of paths with other Marvel pilot Rhodes. Sue and Johnny would be around 5-10 years younger than Reed, respectively. If Ben or Reed, based on their talent, are sought after by SHIELD or just simply the U.S. government to travel space or elsewhere research, explore or build a project in this time period 97-2005. Whether or not they launch to huge publicity, if the project is scrapped or the team is kicked off the project and they steal the vessel are details that can go either way, (I prefer the idea of great fanfare) which leads to one of the main ideas here.

The Disappearing Fight/Mission. Depending on where the go initially, the vessel can vanish. This could be a national tragedy or a government cover up-one that could possibly have been leaked by Black Widow. No one on Earth can find these guys and this becomes the integration point in the larger MCU.

Remember Dawn of the Planet of the Apes? A newscast referring to the lost shuttle? A simple crumb like that, an anniversary news piece, a reminder of a forgotten problem before the Battle of New York. The reference to the F4 in the MCU in another film or series would be very simple and the F4 are already existing, but where the hell are they?

Where they land and who they find creates the premise of what the hell they've been doing. Whatever that is, the spark of exploration, the sense of adventure, the prospects of being the Columbus, Galileo, Einstein, Neil Armstrong of this century is the opportunity that the F4 can't pass up. So they proceed onward.

The point of origin of the powers can take place before or after the New Mission. The films can follow the adventures, even a spectacular return to the current day Earth in the MCU, their astonishment as well on how much has changed since they left.

Although, aliens have invaded, other realms have threatened existence, AI so advanced that it begins cleansing the earth of heroes, the Return of the Disappearing Mission and what the F4 discovered and achieved would make them the prestigious celebrities they are in the Lee-Kirby spirit. That's how they fit, thats why fit and that's where they belong.

 

[Mr.M]

I would have it take place in the 70's or 80's for an origin flick. The first ever superheroes on planet earth angle. They could disappear in the Negative Zone or some "Lost in Space" scenario, later returning to Earth in the modern day or near future of the current MCU, having not aged much due to relativistic effects. But honestly I think there is enough of a time gap there to feature them as a prequel trilogy and a setup to the current MCU. I could see it being the Avenger prequel trilogy of sorts. You can feature Howard Stark, Hank Pym, and a number of Silver Age characters. That's how I believe Marvel will handle this when it comes back. They are far too in to this continuity to break it. The one thing they will never be able to do is incorporate X-Men/mutants without revamping the entire character histories and origins. So don't ever bank on seeing Wolverine or Magneto in any rendition of the Marvel MCU. If they ever get X-Men back (which I don't believe they will for another decade at least), they will have to either use a loose continuity of the Singerverse or reboot it in a new universe.

 

[Joiner]

This thread hurts.

 

[Lilbaz]

Would have it simple origin flick.
After the battle of New York (Avengers) the world realises we need to step up our game and get interstellar. They bring in the worlds number 1 genious to build a rocket that can go interstellar. May even get help from Stark Industries.
Off the go on their maiden voyage, but it goes horribly wrong cosmic burst causing interference with their gamma engine. They get zapped to an alternate dimension (negative zone). They then have to explore this new dimension and their new powers looking for a way home. Find Annihilus who they make aware of our universe and he plans to conquer it. FF defeat him and use his method (cosmic control rod) to escape back to earth.

 

[starscream22]

This thread hurts.

Agreed.....

 

[wampa1]

I would have it take place in the 70's or 80's for an origin flick. The first ever superheroes on planet earth angle. They could disappear in the Negative Zone or some "Lost in Space" scenario, later returning to Earth in the modern day or near future of the current MCU, having not aged much due to relativistic effects. But honestly I think there is enough of a time gap there to feature them as a prequel trilogy and a setup to the current MCU. I could see it being the Avenger prequel trilogy of sorts. You can feature Howard Stark, Hank Pym, and a number of Silver Age characters.

I pretty much had that exact same idea though I went with a 60's period piece instead.

 

[SlamAdams]

Here's my idea for an MCU set Fantastic Four origin. Reed Richards works for a big company like Roxxon or something and is the leading mind in space tourism. He creates a spacecraft and space station run on a new energy source that allows for cheaper open-to-the-public space travel. He gets his buddy Ben Grimm involved as a pilot and invites his girlfriend Sue and her brother Johnny for one of the first official trips up when it is sabotaged by Dr. Doom in retaliation for a perceived slight from Reed Richards when they were in college leading to Doom's scars.

Mr. Fantastic - John Krasinski, a combination of Bill Gates and Richard Branson. A less out-going and egotistical Tony Stark.
Invisible Woman - Rachel McAdams
Human Torch - Cameron Monaghan
The Thing - Seann William Scott, I know people would probably expect him to be the Human Torch and just do his Stifler routine, but having watched Goon and seeing a different sort of version of SWS, I think he'll excell as a sad angry tough guy hiding behind an affable, sarcastic exterior.
Dr. Doom - Matthias Schoenaerts

 

[Flint Marko]

An MCU Fantastic Four movie would be miles ahead of anything Fox could ever do with the property.
It's a shame we won't know what that would look like for quite some time, possibly ever.

If it bombs they'll probably offer to sell the rights back to Disney and then it'll be up to Disney if they want to buy them back. They won't give them back as there's no benefit for them to do so.

Two predictions I feel comfortable making:
1) This movie will be a failure across the board
2) If/when that does happen, Fox will still not hand the FF back to Marvel. They are going to grip this property in their greedy little fists and squeeze any sort of profit they can out of it, and even when they are done and they have moved on they will still fight to do whatever they can to keep the rights. It's just business, that's how it works.

 

[starscream22]

An MCU Fantastic Four movie would be miles ahead of anything Fox could ever do with the property.
It's a shame we won't know what that would look like for quite some time, possibly ever.


Two predictions I feel comfortable making:
1) This movie will be a failure across the board
2) If/when that does happen, Fox will still not hand the FF back to Marvel. They are going to grip this property in their greedy little fists and squeeze any sort of profit they can out of it, and even when they are done and they have moved on they will still fight to do whatever they can to keep the rights. It's just business, that's how it works.

That sounds more like bad business considering the other franchises Marvel got back that didn't have to go through this....

But if that's how FOX wants to play it then we as consumers don't have to $upport it.

 

[GoblinScrier]

While this thread hurts, it also gives me hope of the types of things we could FINALLY see:

The way to bring in the F4 would be the aftermath of Thanos defeat in Infinity War part 2...whatever effect the Infinity Stones have, opens a portal/wormhole etc and the F4 come out saying "we are home!"

Then post credits...we go off to a Eastern European nation by the name of Latveria and see the imposing castle ruled by its leader, Dr. Doom...Doom sees the F4 and curses Richards name while crushing his goblet!"

Phase 4 introduces them as well as devoting all of it to the effects Doom has on the MCU...this will lead to Phase 5 where each subsequent movie will have a different herald arriving ala Heroes Reborn setting up for Galactus...Doom will seek the Power Cosmic to challenge Galactus for supremacy....the conclusion of the "Doom" trilogy will be Phase 6 with Secret Wars allowing Doom to at last conquer everything only to have him be defeated for good????

 

[Flint Marko]

That sounds more like bad business considering the other franchises Marvel got back that didn't have to go through this....

But if that's how FOX wants to play it then we as consumers don't have to $upport it.

The only character marvel got back from fox was daredevil, and fox did all they could to prevent that from happening.
Call it bad business, call it whatever you want, it's the most likely route fox is going to take.

 

[metaphysician]

That sounds more like bad business considering the other franchises Marvel got back that didn't have to go through this....

But if that's how FOX wants to play it then we as consumers don't have to $upport it.

The other properties Marvel got back, they didn't get back from Fox. The exception, Daredevil, was not given back; Marvel took it back with nothing Fox could do about it, because they ran out of time.

As long as Marvel wants the FF rights, it will be in Fox's interest to hold onto those rights. Remember, its not what Fox can do with them that makes it valuable; its what they can potentially sell them for.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

The other properties Marvel got back, they didn't get back from Fox. The exception, Daredevil, was not given back; Marvel took it back with nothing Fox could do about it, because they ran out of time.

As long as Marvel wants the FF rights, it will be in Fox's interest to hold onto those rights. Remember, its not what Fox can do with them that makes it valuable; its what they can potentially sell them for.

Supply and demand. You sell at the highest price you can complete the deal. Holding on to the rights until Marvel loses interest doesn't make any sense.

 

[Spiderine]

FOX not giving them back. Its time we accept that. They will release this film and make Marvel/Disney think long and hard about it for 7 to 8 more years. I think FOX wants to deal but the price tag is high. And Disney won't budge. Those of us who support the rights reverting and the FF included in the MCU, like myself, just need to enjoy the slate of films and characters we will see in the upcoming years. They have plenty to focus on anyways. its all really sad and frustrating.

 

[starscream22]

The only character marvel got back from fox was daredevil, and fox did all they could to prevent that from happening.
Call it bad business, call it whatever you want, it's the most likely route fox is going to take.

How about we not acknowledge it at all while keeping our money since that's the most logically solution for those who don't like Fox's business practices.

 

[starscream22]

FOX not giving them back. Its time we accept that. They will release this film and make Marvel/Disney think long and hard about it for 7 to 8 more years. I think FOX wants to deal but the price tag is high. And Disney won't budge. Those of us who support the rights reverting and the FF included in the MCU, like myself, just need to enjoy the slate of films and characters we will see in the upcoming years. They have plenty to focus on anyways. its all really sad and frustrating.

If by "accept" you mean shut up then no I think I wont.

But if by accept it you mean supporting all the other true Marvel and DC films that are lined up for the next few years then you're preaching to the choir.

I can still do that while exposing Fox and Sony for the crappy Marvel film makers they are....

 

[starscream22]

As long as Marvel wants the FF rights, it will be in Fox's interest to hold onto those rights.

Keep in mind that Fox, Sony and the rest got fat off of Marvel's catalog with these mediocre at films while Marvel got the table scraps. So it's not like any of these studios were left high and dry unless their films flopped.

Now Marvels finally getting the money they deserved and people want them to take that money and give it to the scam artist who've been ripping them off to begin with...? Is sickening that F4 isn't going back home any time soon but I can understand Marvels stance here.

Remember, its not what Fox can do with them that makes it valuable; its what they can potentially sell them for.

The "Keep hope alive" thread has already come to this conclusion. But I still can't stomach the crappy product Fox is churning out while acting as if everything will be great. Or the people who still defend it. Then you have some who know what the deal is and are still defiant.

 

[metaphysician]

Supply and demand. You sell at the highest price you can complete the deal. Holding on to the rights until Marvel loses interest doesn't make any sense.

You are presuming Fox is actually judging correctly. Yes, you sell when the price is high. . . but their opinion on how much Marvel will pay for it ( after some prodding and encouragement ) is probably not the same as Marvel's opinion on how much they will pay for it.

Fox is probably gambling on the idea that Marvel still very much wants the rights, and that waiting 7 more years to get them back would be unacceptable to Marvel.

 

[fangz]

I would have it take place in the 70's or 80's for an origin flick. The first ever superheroes on planet earth angle. They could disappear in the Negative Zone or some "Lost in Space" scenario, later returning to Earth in the modern day or near future of the current MCU, having not aged much due to relativistic effects. But honestly I think there is enough of a time gap there to feature them as a prequel trilogy and a setup to the current MCU. I could see it being the Avenger prequel trilogy of sorts. You can feature Howard Stark, Hank Pym, and a number of Silver Age characters. That's how I believe Marvel will handle this when it comes back. They are far too in to this continuity to break it. The one thing they will never be able to do is incorporate X-Men/mutants without revamping the entire character histories and origins. So don't ever bank on seeing Wolverine or Magneto in any rendition of the Marvel MCU. If they ever get X-Men back (which I don't believe they will for another decade at least), they will have to either use a loose continuity of the Singerverse or reboot it in a new universe.

I was thinking a real similar thing once, but I would set it in the mid to late 50s. and have a trilogy of FF movies from back then, supported by an Ant-Man and Wasp movie and a couple Invaders/SHIELD movies... those would feature the whole crew... Invaders, Peggy Carter, white Fury, young black Fury, Ant-Man, Wasp, FF, Howling Commandos, Winter Soldier, Baron Zemo the 1st, Zodiac, HYDRA, Zola and so on.

cuz you could really tell the story of the group in a stylized and very fantastic way, since it was not modern. people would give it a lot more suspension of disbelief, I think.

and you would have the FF's total career in the 50s/60s lasting only maybe a year and a half. they wouldn't be the celebrities they are in the comics, but they'd be more like an unaffiliated group working out of Baxter Building that took care to keep a low profile. cuz a lot of the threats back then would be from very weird fronts and not at all in the public eye.

and to all these films, there'd be a very pulp/sci-fi/monster movie vibe. like first FF movie, you'd skip the actual origin, have it kinda covered but not, but have it be a Namor/Attuma movie and end with the an attack on New York by sea monsters and Atlanteans. this would of course be noticed and in the public eye and the FF seen in action, but it would just be so over the top crazy, and it would just be chalked up in history to 'remember that crazy thing that happened once?'.

second movie would start out with a 15 minute sequence of FF in the Savage Land, running into dinosaurs cuz they're on some mission of Reed's to find some special plant or something. but 2nd one might be Skrulls. total sci-fi alien invasion, but it would be like the first wave, almost like the first time we met the Skrulls in the comics. or maybe that'd be better as a group Invaders movie. or for the second one instead, do a retro Annihilus and Negative Zone film. but that introduces the concept of the Negative Zone.

and then last one, Doctor Doom, and Latveria would be introduced and, I think, completely fitting in that Cold War setting. an odd little cultural island on the map, that only kept it's autonomy thru the sheer will of it's dictator, Victor Von Doom.

full on Doctor Doom movie, but again, outside the public eye and a lot of it in Latveria where the FF takes some magical artifact from him that he really should not have access to and somehow it all ends up with them escaping thru time/dimensions, like you're saying maybe Negative Zone, maybe someplace but they just end up 'Lost in Space'.

and then maybe even do a movie about what happens there. and then they pop out in modern times, and blow everyone's minds and Fury's the only one around still that had any first hand dealings with them.

but then have Doom, basically sitting there waiting for the day they reappear cuz he knows they'll be back. he's just been biding his time, cuz he really wants whatever thing they took, he wants it back and he's just waiting. so as soon as they get back, it's rematch time in modern days and Doom reveals himself to the world after like 60 years of being this mythical dictator and lurking in his castle.

then you could do the full on Skrulls in modern day where it turns out they've infiltrated further than anyone knew, that could be like a whole Phase of MCU. Phase 7 or whatever.

 

[Avid Avenger]

How I'd introduce the FF into the MCU

In 2005 the Fantastic 4 head off on their first trip into space. They go into cryogenic sleep and during the mission the ship is hit with cosmic rays. The ship goes into emergency protocol and heads back to Earth. In 2017 the ship crash lands outside Latveria. They wake up and are taken hostage by DOCTOR VICTOR VON DOOM.
He imprisons them and that's when they discover their powers. Ben slowly starts turning into a rock instead of instantly. They attempt a breakout, fight their way through Doombots and Doom himself before finally acquiring a plane and escaping back to America.

They return to their Baxter building and the press goes wild and everybody wants to know what happened and what they discovered in space. The four go into seclusion and start focusing on their abilities trying to find out what actually happened and try to cure themselves, especially Ben who is getting worse and worse. Several people try to get in contact with Richards during this time including possible cameo by Tony Stark (on a screen), Hank Pym, Reeds old friend and one of his inspirations and Phil Coulson (or Nick Fury if he ever becomes Director of SHIELD again).

We then go on to learn about Doctor Doom. His throne room is dedicated to many mystic mythos such as magic and the likes of Asgard and other realms. We also learn of his obsession with power and his superiority complex. He inspects the destroyed ships remains and finds data from what happened with the cosmic rays and decides to use it to his advantage to get revenge.

Johnny Storm is enjoying his power and, tired of being couped up in the Baxter Building, he leaves and flies around the city on fire. He finds a crime being committed by someone (a minor supervillian, not sure who yet) and the press call him the Human Torch, which he likes.
Sue and Reed are angry at him and even Ben attacks him for playing hero while he is slowly turning to stone.

Suddenly they receive a message from Doctor Doom himself. He tells them he has the data from their ship and knows how they got their powers. And he has the cure to them. But they have to come back to Latveria.
Unable to trust him, but believing they can handle themselves, the four head to Latveria.

Once there they are at first welcomed, like family and sit down to dinner with Doom. They question the suit of armor and Doom asks if Reed or Ben don't recognize him.

We then get a flashback to 1994 with a young Doom working on a machine in Empire State University. He tells a young Reed that his mind cannot comprehend what this machine could possibly do and, with a couple of glances and deduction, he figures out it's a machine that Doom hopes can talk to the dead and claims it won't work. Doom is angered and insults him. Reed offers to help but Doom is having none of it. Ben sees this, as well as his ego and god complex around the campus and decides he needs taken down a peg or two. He tampers with the machine and the next night, the machine fails and explodes. Doom is severely scarred on his face and body. He's taken to hospital and Reed and Ben visit him in hospital, Ben is racked with guilt, not meaning to actually hurt him. Doom refuses any contact with them and care from the hospital and leaves the hospital, disappearing from their lives.

Suddenly Ben falls into a pit that opens up underneath his chair. The other 3 are captured and sent down to a lab. Doom intends to experiment on them, see what makes them tick, and harness their powers. He goads Richards, telling him is nothing compared to Doom.

Bens transformation completes while trapped in the pit and he embraces his new found strength and leaps straight out. He takes down a multitude of doombots and he makes his way to the lab. He catches Doom by surprise and frees the other 3. The four use their abilities to destroy the lab and take down Doom. Reed finds his data from the ship and takes it with them as they flee a now burning Castle. Doom rages and chases after them. He manages to grab onto their escaping jet and climbs aboard. But as start heading back to America, Doom attacks and knocks Johnny unconscious and throws him out of the jet. Ben and Sue fight him and Ben kicks him off the edge of the jet. With Doom hanging off the side of the jet he loudly and arrogantly asks them who they think they are. Johnny arrives, having woken up in time before he hit the water and tells him "We're the Fantastic Four!" and pulls him off the jet. Doom falls towards the ocean and hits the water.

A few days later, the team have embraced their new abilities. Ben still hates his appearance and wants a cure, but is happy for now as the four hold a press release to demonstrate their new abilities. They tell the world that they are the Fantastic Four and are here to help anybody in need and prevent any major catastrophes to this world.

First After credits scene - Silver Surfer speaks to a huge shadowy figure. He tells him the next planet is not far from here and will provide him with substantial life energy for him to feast on.

Second After credits scene - Doom washes up on the shores of Latveria, he coughs and splutters, beside him are larger than normal footprints leading back into the ocean.

Notes -
* 616 version of the Fantastic Four.
- Reed is the greatest mind on Earth, super stretching abilities, obsessive over his work more than those around him, kinda a buzzkill.
- Sue is extremely clever, like her 616 version. Her abilities in turning invisible are present but not often used in this movie, she uses her force fields more.
- Johnny is a high school drop out and only got to go into space due to his sister taking pity on him and convincing Reed to give him a chance. Motor mouth and hothead, eager to use his new powers for fame as well as helping people.
- Ben is almost a gentle giant, having learned from his mistakes especially getting Doom hurt all those years ago, however his condition and power causes him distress and by the end of the movie he realizes he has to get down and dirty every once and a while.
- Doctor Doom. We learn in this movie about some of his past such as; His involvement with a young Reed and Ben, inventing a machine to talk to the dead, his scarring, the fact he's a dictator and a genius, has Doombots, and his egocentric attitude. We also get allusions to his gypsy background, and his interest in the cosmic and mystic arts. More of his past will be explored in the sequel.


Easter Eggs and references

- Reed Richards, upon returning back to the Baxter building, begins catching up on the past 12 years the F4 missed, including the Avengers, Battle of New York, Aliens, Ultron, Fall of Shield, Return of Captain America, Hydras reveal, the Hulk etc, we get glimpses of the events either on t.v or newpapers or online blogs.

- As I mentioned, we could have a Tony Stark, Hank Pym and Phil Coulson cameo as they try to get into contact with Reed. Reed keeps them at arms length as he tries to figure out the abilities of the four by himself.

- Doctor Doom insists he doesn't even give the Avengers a thought because they are nothing to him, not even an ant.

- Stark Industries and Pym Technologies mentioned.

- After the climax of the movie we see Reed looking into portals and other dimensions.

- Nick Fury once tried to recruit Richard to SHIELD but he refused because he wanted to focus on his own work on his own terms without anybody looking over his shoulder.

- Johnny mentions he thinks Ben (after his full transformation into the Thing) could probably take on the Hulk


Other characters related to the Fantastic Four

- Skrulls. Due to shared rights, the Skrulls already exist in the MCU, they are mentioned in the official tie in comic to the Guardians of the Galaxy (Skrull detectors for sale or something). Skrulls could make a cameo appearance in GotG2 somehow to solidify this.

- We'll learn about the Silver Surfer in the sequel or the third movie, haven't properly decided yet...probably third.

- Galactus exists and his origins are very much the same as in 616. He'll be the big bad in Avengers: The Coming of Galactus. Fantastic Four and the current roster of Avengers team up to take him down.

- Doctor Doom will return in the sequel....with Namor!

- Namor will appear as a villain in the sequel, which will then be a springboard for his own movie.



.....was this okay......I forgot the question.

 

[fangz]

We then get a flashback to 1994 with a young Doom working on a machine in Empire State University. He tells a young Reed that his mind cannot comprehend what this machine could possibly do and, with a couple of glances and deduction, he figures out it's a machine that Doom hopes can talk to the dead and claims it won't work. Doom is angered and insults him. Reed offers to help but Doom is having none of it. Ben sees this, as well as his ego and god complex around the campus and decides he needs taken down a peg or two. He tampers with the machine and the next night, the machine fails and explodes. Doom is severely scarred on his face and body. He's taken to hospital and Reed and Ben visit him in hospital, Ben is racked with guilt, not meaning to actually hurt him. Doom refuses any contact with them and care from the hospital and leaves the hospital, disappearing from their lives.

This is a real interesting change... I think I like it, actually. One side of me doesn't like that Doom's arrogance isn't the source of his own downfall back then. But there's also stuff I really like about this change.

This is one of the things that people always run around crying 'hypocrisy' about. And it bugs me. Because I absolutely hate the change of Victor becoming Doctor Doom in the same accident that transforms the FF. That is such a wrongheaded change to me.

This one is just as major, but I can see it working out well for some reason.

And people do this all the time, this false equivalents equals hypocrisy argument. But different things are clearly different from each other.

 

[justanotherguy]

I'm also on board with the Four being "lost in space" for years in the MCU. I'd say the space mission is seen as a national tragedy akin to the Columbus mission..... just a thought.