Fights that just didn't work for you

[david icke]

When i saw the first X-Men trailer with the clip of Wolverine and Sabretooth fighting in the snow i thought it would be an amazing atmospheric throw down in the snow, a snow-down-throw-down.
It is that, for all of a minute, it's very atmospheric, but damn it is short. Wolverine is very easily ko'd too, you'd think his healing factor would kick in and he'd wake up from that hit/fall rightaway, actually it takes quite awhile for him to wake up from that.
Same with the one on top of the Statue of Liberty, very cool and good, but cuts away and is very short. I'm hoping for all this to be rectified in the new movie. I imagine wolverine will be a lot more durable in this one, no getting ko'd with a single bullet to the head, or falling on a truck.

 

[Chris Wallace]

It seems movies gravitate toward making heroes less invincible than how the comics depict them-and that's across the board, pretty much.

 

[Eggyman]

It seems movies gravitate toward making heroes less invincible than how the comics depict them-and that's across the board, pretty much.

I wouldn't say that's the case for Spidey... quite the opposite, actually. And Superman in his last film was even able to perform quite well whilst lifting an island made of the only stuff that weakens him while still having some in his skin.

 

[david icke]

It seems movies gravitate toward making heroes less invincible than how the comics depict them-and that's across the board, pretty much.

Yeah, you're right, apart from the examples Eggyman brought up, I can't offhand think of any that arn't less invincible than their comicbook version. That's fine, I don't mind that, I can see why, if they want the protaganist to be on the ropes every so often during a movie they don't want to have to drag out a major scene every time, it would get too ott.
I was mainly moaning about the length of Sabretooth fights there and the healing factor thing came to mind as I was typing. If they'd had the fight longer and had Wolverine take more punishment before being ko'd I'd have been happier, but I don't mind him being less invincible in general.
I can just imagine that he went waaay up in the air when he was hit by Sabretooth, travelling at a great speed.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

It seems movies gravitate toward making heroes less invincible than how the comics depict them-and that's across the board, pretty much.

Yeah, Ghost Rider and the Superman movies are the only one's that didnt seem to de-power their heroes.

 

[3dman27]

It seems movies gravitate toward making heroes less invincible than how the comics depict them-and that's across the board, pretty much.

maybe they don't want the fights to seem too lopsided

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^BUt they could easily and have easily made the villains just as, if not more powerful than the heroes, its not difficult to do, as the Spidey movies showed.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Superman II had the right idea by giving Supes 3 evil kryptonians to fight. Oh, how I love that metropolis fight! I should have put it in my first post. Maybe I need to make a top 5 list.

 

[The Sarge]

The effects on the kryptonian fight are just too laughably dated for me. I could never get around that. Everything was just slow and awkward.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I wouldn't say that's the case for Spidey... quite the opposite, actually.

How so? I think they kept him pretty much on the same level, really. The only thing I think they diminished was the effectiveness of his spider-sense.

And Superman in his last film was even able to perform quite well whilst lifting an island made of the only stuff that weakens him while still having some in his skin.

Don't remind me. I still consider that total BS!

 

[I Am The Knight]

The effects on the kryptonian fight are just too laughably dated for me. I could never get around that. Everything was just slow and awkward.

Yes, but consider this was 1980. And the goofy effects are part of the charm.

 

[Chris Wallace]

maybe they don't want the fights to seem too lopsided

I think they learned from Superman, how boring it can get if NOTHING can hurt the hero. An invincible villain is a challenge. An invincible hero is just a waste of time to watch. The hero needs to be challenged. Let's look at what we've seen:
Hulk feeling pain when he's shot
Wolverine being knocked out
Spider-Man getting hit more times than you'd think was possible
None of these have hurt my enjoyment of the movies, but rather made the characters more human. Imagine if Wolverine shrugged off everything like it didn't bother him, or Spider-Man had easily stopped that runaway train. Where's the excitement in that?

 

[Infinity9999x]

I think they learned from Superman, how boring it can get if NOTHING can hurt the hero. An invincible villain is a challenge. An invincible hero is just a waste of time to watch. The hero needs to be challenged. Let's look at what we've seen:
Hulk feeling pain when he's shot
Wolverine being knocked out
Spider-Man getting hit more times than you'd think was possible
None of these have hurt my enjoyment of the movies, but rather made the characters more human. Imagine if Wolverine shrugged off everything like it didn't bother him, or Spider-Man had easily stopped that runaway train. Where's the excitement in that?

See, I was actually annoyed that he even managed to stop the train with his own strength. I've never viewed Spider-man as that strong.

And about the Joker thing, he was standing on a ledge, I think that's how he was able to pull Bats and Viky over the side without falling himself.

 

[gwynplaine]

Bond Versus Dominic Greene.

Bond vs Red Grant.

 

[Chris Wallace]

See, I was actually annoyed that he even managed to stop the train with his own strength. I've never viewed Spider-man as that strong.

And about the Joker thing, he was standing on a ledge, I think that's how he was able to pull Bats and Viky over the side without falling himself.

How does being in a precarious position help you maintain balance?

 

[WarBlade]

I didn't care. Frost wasn't much of a swordsman& given that he was already invincible, it was just a show for Blade's benefit.

It didn't benefit Blade though. It made him look like a complete novice sinking to the level of his novice opponent. Snipes can do better. A fairly fresh learner with about 1 hour of training can do better.

Well seeings how films of this sub genre are more about visual stimulation and less about physics or how things are actually supposed to work...that 'crap' did look awesome.

Please add "in my opinion" to that final statement.

I swear, when people start complaining about lack of human logic in these films, it gets ridiculous.

I don't care if how the Death Star bew up couldn't possibly happen in space...it looks and sounds AWESOME.

I don't care of you can't turn the world the other way and cause it to 'rewind' existence.

Why use straw man arguments for comparative purposes? They are pointless.

And I certainly don't care about whether or not Blade and Deacon Frost were using swords correctly. They smacked the blade portions together, how incorrect could that have been!?

1.) Stand upright with arm outstretched holding a stunt sword raised vertically.
2.) Observe your sparring partner do the same.
3.) Both participants then wave their arms, left to right, letting the blades trail a little and make pretty crossed sword patterns in front of them.
4.) Increase the speed so that they catch the light and look, "oooooooh, shiny!" with a hope that people won't notice if you wobble them back and forth fast enough...



BTW, this statement is flat out wrong: "They smacked the blade portions together, how incorrect could that have been!?"

A swordsman's target is another person. Outside of fencing (and ridiculous stage theatrics) there are not many functional examples of a swordsman's target being a sword. Therefore, 'smacking the blade portions together' is generally, as you put it, incorrect.

 

[CFE]

Oh my god, you're so right...What the hell was I thinking!?

How DARE I watch a movie and enjoy it when it so obviously displays swordsmanship in an incorrect and disrespectful fashion.

God, now I can't even watch 'Blade' anymore, the entire intellectual structure of the film is RUINED!!!!!!!

Then again...maybe you missed the part that said I DON'T CARE

With a domestic gross of $70 million dollars, two sequels and 1 season of a TV Series...I'm willing to bet most everyone else didn't care either.

It's called...say it with me...suspension of disbelief.

God I couldn't imagine watching movies with a picky attitude like yours...it must be frustrating.

 

[Deaths Head II]

Daredevil vs Elektra in the playground. This film is one of the main reasons I can't take this film seriously, not even the director's cut.

The entire end of Spider-Man 3. From GG jumping on board and acting all buddy buddy with Spider-Man to the cheesy newspeople to the Sand Monster they called Sand Man to Venom. As soon I saw Venom's message for Spider-Man in that webbing ala Charlotte's Web I knew this film was going to end in a gigantic cheesefest.

Hulk vs the Absorbing Dad. I thought it could be kind of cool, but it was just dull, weird, and hard to follow. I kind of liked Ang Lee's Hulk when it came out, but even I couldn't defend that. I know what Ang Lee was going for with the film, but that scene was a bit too much. There is a limit to how much weird I can take.

 

[Infinity9999x]

How does being in a precarious position help you maintain balance?

Ah, I thought you were thinking that the Joker was clinging on to the side of the building, and yet somehow managed to pull bats and Vicky off the side.

Honestly, the logic of that don't make much sense. And what makes less sense is trying to figure out how Joker landed on that ledge and manged not to fall off. He does a complete flip over the side of the balcony when he's punched, it would take some extreme coordination and dexterity to land on that ledge without just hitting it and toppling off.

Really though, none of the fights in the old Bat series impressed me.

Warblade--you do realize that movie sword fighting stunts are basically the same as stage sword fighting stunts right?

These fights are choreographed for a reason, to look flashy. If you had them fight the way they really would with swords, it would be much more boring. If you're going to walk into movies and expect to see fencing that's accurate to real life...well, then you're not going to enjoy many movie sword fights. I thought the fight was fine.

 

[WarBlade]

Warblade--you do realize that movie sword fighting stunts are basically the same as stage sword fighting stunts right?

These fights are choreographed for a reason, to look flashy.

Yes, I'm aware of that. I'm simply responding to the thread and pointing out one particular 'fight' moment that I have found to be complete drivel.

If you had them fight the way they really would with swords, it would be much more boring.

Yes and no. "Yes," because having watched people who really do know what they're doing, and seeing them eyeing each other while changing guards. wards etc, is going to be boring to the uninitiated. "No," because I've seen some really good looking swordplay on the screen that jolted me straight out of the movie thinking, "Holy crap, this actor has been trained by a real expert!" (And wound up enjoying the movie all the more for it)

 

[The Navigator]

Peter Parker vs. Mary Jane Watson in Spider-man, Spider-man 2, and Spider-man 3

We get it... relationships are hard without the superhero stuff... and even harder with the superhero stuff. Now get on with the story.

Probably the best answer so far.

 

[The Chris]

Blade vs Dracula doesn't do it for me. A lot of repeated shots in that one.

 

[November Rain]

Hulk vs the Absorbing Dad. I thought it could be kind of cool, but it was just dull, weird, and hard to follow. I kind of liked Ang Lee's Hulk when it came out, but even I couldn't defend that. I know what Ang Lee was going for with the film, but that scene was a bit too much. There is a limit to how much weird I can take.

I'll defend this

it seemed the fight was supposed to last for much longer than it did on paper with absorbing dad going through different elemental phases and the hulk and him properly duking it out

saying this, I think a large part of the essence of the fight played out. it wasn't a physical confrontation but more a battle fo wills. When banner gave in to his fathe's demands, we all saw the extent of the burden he had to play by becoming a massive ball (losing his ability to control his shape and growing expoentially).

I know it probably the clearest scene and i didn't get it in the first viewing but i appreciate them doing a final fight that was wasn't so typical of what you expect in the genre.

it still didn't reach its full potential mind you..

 

[Mr.LethalWeapon]

...Wolverine being knocked out

This annoyed the hell out of me, especially in X-2 when the cops showed up at the Drake house.

One pistol round knocks him out cold?!

Wolverine has charged headlong into assault rifle fire, and continued to kick butt in the comics.

The people at Fox should start watching the Wolverine and the X-Men cartoon; 'cause its creators really nailed his abilities on that show. They showed him falling out of an airborne jet, crater onto a city sidewalk, get up and walk away (albeit in a lot of discomfort).

That's the Wolverine I want to see in these live action movies. I love seeing that extreme stuff.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Blade vs Dracula doesn't do it for me. A lot of repeated shots in that one.

I expected better there. What kills me is how Drake says "You fought with honor." Really? I thought he had his partner try to shoot you in the back while you were distracted, then picked up the arrow & stabbed you with it. What's honorable about that?