Fights that just didn't work for you

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I expected better there. What kills me is how Drake says "You fought with honor." Really? I thought he had his partner try to shoot you in the back while you were distracted, then picked up the arrow & stabbed you with it. What's honorable about that?

The whole end of that movie was just a mess, in fact, the whole movie was, shame, though I still think its better than X3.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I still think its better than X3.

Now that I don't agree with.

 

[Infinity9999x]

The whole end of that movie was just a mess, in fact, the whole movie was, shame, though I still think its better than X3.

I can't comment on the comparison, because I haven't seen that Blade yet, but I do think that X3 get's ragged on a bit more than it deserves at times. For example (and I'm not saying you said this, this is just something I read in another thread) one person went as far to say that X3 was the worst comic book movie ever made, which made me roll my eyes. It wasn't anywhere near that bad, it just wasn't as good as X2.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Even if I didn't like X3, there's far too many other contenders for that title.

 

[Mario_Galaxy]

DD vs. Kingpin in the theatrical cut. I know he just got done with Bullseye, but all it was was Kingpin grabbing his billy club, making him go into the glass, and then he threw him into the wall. WTF? Kingpin was unimposing throughout the film really. Luckily the DC expanded it.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Have to agree, Mario. Especially when there's the DC to compare it to.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Even if I didn't like X3, there's far too many other contenders for that title.

Exactly.

 

[The Chris]

I would put X3 over Blade 3 but I tell you, no comic book film hurt me more than X-Men The Last Stand. Not even Batman and Robin, which with Catwoman is my personal worst comic book film (at least worst big one) But X-Men 3 has become a big failure for me overtime. It's just the potential after X-Men 2 was so high. I remember going crazy with anticipation after X2 went into credits. Then all that crap happens. I saw X-Men yesterday for the first time in a while, and X2 last month for the first time in a while. I hold them in very high regard. X3 feels like a slap in the face. Hope Wolverine gets us back on track, but I want to see MY X-MEN again. But I don't think that'll happen. Just spinoffs and youngsters.

 

[Panthro]

I can't help laughing at the fight scene in the 1989 Batman film where Batman got his ass handed to him by that thug who looked like a giant Ray Charles. I'm sorry but there's just something about watching Batman, who's supposed to be one of the best fighters available, getting beaten up that badly by a guy who's probably nowhere near the same league of fighting ability that Bats is at, that I find hilarious. Adding to this unintentional hilarity is that about 2 minutes later, Batman is knocking the Joker around like a rag doll, yet this fiery fighting gusto was absent during his fight with the Ray Charles lookalike.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Chris Wallace]

It was ridiculous. But then so was Batman getting his ass handed to him by Catwoman, finally hitting back & then falling for her little pity ploy.

 

[The Chris]

I can't help laughing at the fight scene in the 1989 Batman film where Batman got his ass handed to him by that thug who looked like a giant Ray Charles. I'm sorry but there's just something about watching Batman, who's supposed to be one of the best fighters available, getting beaten up that badly by a guy who's probably nowhere near the same league of fighting ability that Bats is at, that I find hilarious. Adding to this unintentional hilarity is that about 2 minutes later, Batman is knocking the Joker around like a rag doll, yet this fiery fighting gusto was absent during his fight with the Ray Charles lookalike.

Just my 2 cents.

That bothered me too. The fact that it wasn't even competitive. He was getting his ass whooped. I know he was in a plane crash, but the way he was moving after his whooping was fine so, ugh.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Add to this the fact that the guy repeatedly punched Batman in the gut-his armored gut. The same area that bullets bounce off of. The same spot that Joker punched one time & reeled in pain.

 

[david icke]

Re: Batman vs Ray charles. I don't know, when i was watching that fight not so long ago I was thinking he was maybe pulling an Ali vs Foreman, Batman being Ali. Ali let Foreman hit him so many times and took the punishment so Foreman would tire himself out, Ali then going in for the kill. With the size of that guy compared to Keaton's BM that would've been not too bad a strategy, the armour taking punishment, he still has strength to roll around etc, the jump off the bell is a dumb move though. Then when Ray is good and tired he got him in that leglock and threw him overboard.
It's most definetely not the way the Batman of the comocbooks would fight, but this is a smaller BM and his fighting technique has to be adapted for the bigger opponent.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I didn't see a rope-a-dope strategy there. I saw Batman getting his ass whupped. Besides, that strategy is stupid in a fight to the death. And "Ray" didn't look the least bit tired to me.

 

[Eggyman]

I didn't see a rope-a-dope strategy there. I saw Batman getting his ass whupped. Besides, that strategy is stupid in a fight to the death. And "Ray" didn't look the least bit tired to me.

I agree. It did make a lovely DoNg! sound when his head hit the bell, though. I like Burton's Bats, such a crazy ********. Apparently it's all in the eyes

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Now that I don't agree with.

Its just something we disagree on then, X3 was atrocious for me.

I can't comment on the comparison, because I haven't seen that Blade yet, but I do think that X3 get's ragged on a bit more than it deserves at times. For example (and I'm not saying you said this, this is just something I read in another thread) one person went as far to say that X3 was the worst comic book movie ever made, which made me roll my eyes. It wasn't anywhere near that bad, it just wasn't as good as X2.

I wouldnt call it worst ever made, but there are very few below it for me, B&R, Catwoman, Steel, etc are obviously worse, but thats about it for me, an trocious movie IMO.

 

[Eggyman]

Its just something we disagree on then, X3 was atrocious for me.

I watched it last night

I brushed my teeth twice this morning, still couldn't get rid of the taste.

 

[david icke]

I didn't see a rope-a-dope strategy there. I saw Batman getting his ass whupped. Besides, that strategy is stupid in a fight to the death. And "Ray" didn't look the least bit tired to me.

Yeah, maybe I'm reading too much into it, but the bit where he's taking them to the armoured stomach looked that way to me, he looked like he was taking breaths , pacing himself, instead of striking out with punches. If he wasn't deliberatley taking the punches you'd think he'd strike out during that assault.
Ray looked a wee bit sweaty and tired to me when he looked over the edge, ok maybe not tired out, but of a lesser strength than he was at the start of the fight.
Thinking about it, it's a nice precursor to that scene, seeing Bruce hanging upside down on his contraption when Vicki's in the bed, shows you how he strengthened his legs for that move he did on Ray.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Its just something we disagree on then, X3 was atrocious for me.




I wouldnt call it worst ever made, but there are very few below it for me, B&R, Catwoman, Steel, etc are obviously worse, but thats about it for me, an trocious movie IMO.

I'd say those three, then Superman 3 and 4, F4, F4:ROTSS, the 1994 F4, All the Punnisher Movies, Howard the Duck, Elecktra, Supergirl, Ghostrider, Daredevil, the Swamp Thing movies, the old Captain America movies (good old rubber ears!), Barb Wire, Tank Girl, the latter Ninja Turtles movies, or Leauge of Extrodinary Gentlemen.


X3 really isn't that bad of a movie at all. Chris hit it on the head. It was one of the most disappointing movies ever, but one of the worst? Not even close. Some people can't seperate the disappointment from the movie's actual quality, and that's when we get people saying it's one of the worst movies ever.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I'd say those three, then Superman 3 and 4, F4, F4:ROTSS, the 1994 F4, All the Punnisher Movies, Howard the Duck, Elecktra, Supergirl, Ghostrider, Daredevil, the Swamp Thing movies, the old Captain America movies (good old rubber ears!), Barb Wire, Tank Girl, the latter Ninja Turtles movies, or Leauge of Extrodinary Gentlemen.


X3 really isn't that bad of a movie at all. Chris hit it on the head. It was one of the most disappointing movies ever, but one of the worst? Not even close. Some people can't seperate the disappointment from the movie's actual quality, and that's when we get people saying it's one of the worst movies ever.

You've read my defenses on Spider-Man 3, right? How I feel that the main source of fan(boy) disappointment stems from the demands that they themselves put on the franchise? Well, I see much of the same can be said of X3. Let's wrap it up, because we all know what'll happen if they go past 3. But let's make sure we get Juggernaut & Phoenix in there, b/c fans want to see them. And we'll kill off Cyclops, because nobody really cares about him. (Seriously, they're justified in thinking this; Scott had slightly more screentime in X2 than in X3, & yet the movie made a ton of money and nobody complained about his absence.) If we could just get rid of this whole three-act-wrap-it-up mentality, I really think we could get some awesome third installments.

 

[Kakihara]

I have to say the cg in spiderman has always underwhelmed me. Its always been like, Hey, there's Toby in a spiderman outfit, then he puts on his mask and it just turns into a videogame cinema.

 

[Infinity9999x]

You've read my defenses on Spider-Man 3, right? How I feel that the main source of fan(boy) disappointment stems from the demands that they themselves put on the franchise? Well, I see much of the same can be said of X3. Let's wrap it up, because we all know what'll happen if they go past 3. But let's make sure we get Juggernaut & Phoenix in there, b/c fans want to see them. And we'll kill off Cyclops, because nobody really cares about him. (Seriously, they're justified in thinking this; Scott had slightly more screentime in X2 than in X3, & yet the movie made a ton of money and nobody complained about his absence.) If we could just get rid of this whole three-act-wrap-it-up mentality, I really think we could get some awesome third installments.

I agree, I think that is a big cause of the trouble. I don't understand why the studio's really care all that much about what the fanboys think seeing as how we probably make up less than 5% of the population that actually sees the movie.

I see what you're saying though, part of the problem SM3 suffered is because Raimi had Venom forced upon him. Though to be fair, some of the blame lies with Raimi himself because once he knew that he was going to have Venom weather he liked it or not, he should have realized that for the sake of the story, he needed to cut Sandman and develop Venom more.

Anywho, going back to the fight thing, I was never pleased with any of Wolverine's fights. The man is supposed to be a martial arts expert, and yet whenever we see him in a big one on one throwdown, he basically fights like a brawler with claws. I mean, I'm not saying I need Logan to go all jackie chan, but at least make it look like the guy has had experience and knows what he's doing. I always kind of envisoned Wolverine as fighting like a more unrefined and dirtier Bourne.

 

[kedrell]

Hulk vs. Abomination

I enjoyed the fight for what it was, but c'mon! That fight should have been the very definition of "earth shattering". We should've at least seen some big skyscrapers falling and such. Plus the part where Abomination kicks the Hulk and he just disappears left me scratching my head. Also some big jumps by both combatants combined with some actual fighting contact over the city would have been nice. It kinda bothered me to see both of them climbing buildings like King Kong when they should be able to easily jump over those buildings. Also giving Blonsky a bit more of a comics accuate motivation(this would've required them casting the character of his wife), would've made him and even better character in the movie.

 

[Deaths Head II]

I see what you're saying though, part of the problem SM3 suffered is because Raimi had Venom forced upon him. Though to be fair, some of the blame lies with Raimi himself because once he knew that he was going to have Venom weather he liked it or not, he should have realized that for the sake of the story, he needed to cut Sandman and develop Venom more.

I don't really blame SM3's failure on Venom being forced upon Raimi at all. I didn't like that Venom was done so quickly at the end, but the lamest thing for me was the Sandman, who is what Raimi obviously wanted to portray the most. I hated the fact that they made him into a monster, the cheesy backstory of his sick daughter that was an unoriginal way to make him sympathetic, the fact that he killed Uncle Ben by accident, the fact that him killing Uncle Ben undid the whole mentality of Spider-Man potentially preventing Uncle Ben's death but doing nothing, the fact that the film tried to treat him as someone who just has some bad luck and wasn't really bad despite the fact he spend most of the film intentionally hurting civilians and police officers, the fact Spider-Man forgave him despite the fact he tried to kill him and his girlfriend, and the fact he was basically immortal. It was really, really, really weak writing. Venom was underwhelming, but at least his story wasn't full of holes. Venom was shallow and empty, but his motivations and character were consistent. As it was said, there is a difference between disappointing and just plain bad. Even if Venom wasn't in it, I would still hate Spider-Man 3.

I do agree about the mentality of wrapping up stories with the third act though. It buried S3 and X3. Too much done in too little time.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I don't really blame SM3's failure on Venom being forced upon Raimi at all. I didn't like that Venom was done so quickly at the end, but the lamest thing for me was the Sandman, who is what Raimi obviously wanted to portray the most. I hated the fact that they made him into a monster, the cheesy backstory of his sick daughter that was an unoriginal way to make him sympathetic, the fact that he killed Uncle Ben by accident, the fact that him killing Uncle Ben undid the whole mentality of Spider-Man potentially preventing Uncle Ben's death but doing nothing, the fact that the film tried to treat him as someone who just has some bad luck and wasn't really bad despite the fact he spend most of the film intentionally hurting civilians and police officers, the fact Spider-Man forgave him despite the fact he tried to kill him and his girlfriend, and the fact he was basically immortal. It was really, really, really weak writing. Venom was underwhelming, but at least his story wasn't full of holes. Venom was shallow and empty, but his motivations and character were consistent. As it was said, there is a difference between disappointing and just plain bad. Even if Venom wasn't in it, I would still hate Spider-Man 3.

I do agree about the mentality of wrapping up stories with the third act though. It buried S3 and X3. Too much done in too little time.

Exactly. It all comes back to that. However, I do think Raimi could have saved that movie if he had axed Sandman and gave Venom his arc.

You make Brock a struggling reporter/photographer with a sick daughter. At the same time, I'd also make Brock a prick, so he's not too sympathetic. Part of the reason he can't get the money to help his sick kid out is because he lost a lot of it gambling. He tries to get the money to help his kid by stealing some of Pete's picks, but Pete (with the black suit on) goes ape***** on him and gets him fired. You could than have Brock's kid either die, or become seriously ill, giving Brock a reason to really hate Pete. (Of course the reality is it's really his fault because he was a *****e and gambled all his money away.) Then have Brock get the symbiote and become Venom.

And going off this, the Spidey/Venom fight was severely underwhelming.