First Avenger FIRST AVENGER to feature Hydra? Invaders?

[Episode29]

http://chud.com/articles/articles/2...ONGSIDE-THE-INVADERS-AGAINST-HYDRA/Page1.html

Too much awesome to comprehend.

 

[Webhead2006]

Sounds interesting if they are going to be adding elements of those things into the film. I was just going to post this myself but was having internet connection issues.

 

[Rich Santoro]

Wow... I actually am a bit worried that a bunch a super powered beings will show up in FA:CA and just kill the plausibility. I hate to be a worry wart, but I would prefer that an enhanced team, of Union Jack types (highly trained, special operations, perhaps gizmo'ed troops) are put into action with Cap to address The Red Skulls special terrorist group...

 

[Webhead2006]

Well who are all the invaders and what are their powers? whos to say they would end up using them all maybe 2-3 could be in the film and still have a very small role.

 

[Philly Phanboy]

This info kind of makes me want to check around online for the story arch from the last season of Spider-Man:TAS involving Red Skull and Cap. I could see a similar "six forgotten warriors" type story involving Hydra.

 

[marvelrobbins]

It Is possable that the film focuses on Captain America leading The Invaders against a elite Nazi group headed by the Red Skull.

Hydra may be Included to be a recurring threat in future films.Perhapes here The Red Skull started the group during the war.I believe In regular marvel Universe Hydra did start during the War.

 

[Rich Santoro]

I think Hydra started in Japan... and Skull sent Strucker to either take over, or start a separate wing (can't remember for sure).

 

[topdog1]

Wow... I actually am a bit worried that a bunch a super powered beings will show up in FA:CA and just kill the plausibility. I hate to be a worry wart, but I would prefer that an enhanced team, of Union Jack types (highly trained, special operations, perhaps gizmo'ed troops) are put into action with Cap to address The Red Skulls special terrorist group...

I'm more than a bit worried. We need a solid Cap origin film, not a CGI video game mess. Having a Human Torch or Whizzer is a VERY bad idea. Cap's origin needs to be severely grounded in reality. This is the first time I fear for the future of these films.

The only thing that could sink Avengers would be an alien threat. Please NO Skrulls or silly crap. Marvel not learning from Iron Man's example seems strange to me.

 

[bunk]

If you were expecting Saving Private Rogers, the sooner you get over your disappointment, the better. It will be very much the comic book movie.

 

[FaT_tONle]

We better not have G.I Joe 2 on our hands... but I expected HYDRA. Here's the article:

Talking with Marvel Studios prez Kevin Feige after the astonishing Iron Man 2 panel at Comic Con, I found out some pretty fascinating news: Captain America won't be working alone in his new movie.

Feige wouldn't exactly confirm that Cap would be working with The Invaders, and in fact he gave a coy 'I don't know' when asked point blank, but he did say that there is a group that might help sell a very American film to foreign audiences.

Setting it in the Marvel version of WWII is going to open it up [to an international audience] in a big way. It'll actually end up being our most diverse and our most international film. In terms of the cast there's a group that [Cap] works with that will have an opportunity for much more international casting.

The Invaders (formerly known as the All-Winners Squad) was a super-team during WWII that counted Captain America and Bucky among its members. Also in The Invaders were British superhero Union Jack, Namor the Sub-Mariner, speedster Whizzer, The Blazing Skull, the Human Torch and even a couple of female characters, Miss America and the Silver Scorpion.

I think this means we're almost guaranteed to see Union Jack (or possibly Captain Britain thrown into the Union Jack role), but who else might be joining this team? Feige confirmed that while Fox owns the Johnny Storm Human Torch, Marvel Studios retains the rights to the android Human Torch, and Feige actually used the Torch as an example of what makes the Marvel version of WWII actually be the Marvel version of WWII (but he also said that he just wasn't sure if they would use him). , If they go with the original team members it would be very simple to change characters like Silver Scorpion or The Blazing Skull into Europeans.

What does Feige mean by the part in italics???

I get the impression that at the moment the membership of the cinematic Invaders is pretty much in flux. The only member of The Invaders who is pretty much guaranteed to be left out is Namor, who as far as I know is part of the Fantastic Four package at Fox.

While we always knew that the Red Skull would be the villain in this film, Feige namedropped a villainous organization that surprised me: Hydra, a technologically advanced terrorist group that was a staple foe of Silver Age Captain America and SHIELD. He specifically called Hydra 'an aspect of WWII that made Cap special.' In the comics Hydra isn't really active until after the Second World War, as it's headed by a number of fugitive Nazi types. Is it possible that Feige is hinting that Hydra will be set up as the villain of The Avengers during the Captain America movie? As The Avengers come out after this film, that seems plausible. I'm working on a story about the villain of The Avengers movie, and I'll talk about this more there.

Another character who could very likely turn up in The First Avenger: Captain America (and yes, that title is part of how they're selling the film internationally) is Tony Stark's dad, Howard. In Iron Man we saw Captain America's shield as an easter egg; combining stuff I saw on the set of Iron Man 2 with information gleaned from today's panel (Whiplash seems to hate Tony Stark because of the Stark family), I realized that Howard Stark has a complicated WWII backstory. Feige wouldn't confirm the character's appearance, but his reaction makes me think I'm on to something, and that Howard Stark may be something more than a cute cameo (which I think is all but guaranteed).

Interesting that Fox still has Namor rights. I thought it was at Universal or back with Marvel.

 

[Rich Santoro]

If you were expecting Saving Private Rogers, the sooner you get over your disappointment, the better. It will be very much the comic book movie.

Of course not... However, with the established element of seeking a high degree of plausibility, an over the top presentation of a flying, flaming android and a super-speed vampire, and a guy who looks like Johnny Storm and has the same powers... called Toro, would be a huge let down. If the want to modify the characters to make them more period-plausible-movie-versions of their comic book selves, then I can go with it.

Overall, these movies that intitiated in contemporary times (IM, TIH), represent a turning-of-the-corner in the Marvel Movie-verse... A new age of technology and enhanced human capability. CA may have been precursor to it all, but he should be considered VERY special for his time. Moreover, the current tone of these films does not lend itself to the idea that there was a team of super beings fighting on the battle field 65 years ago. It doesn't even seem as though Cap was very high profile, as Ross didn't expect Blonsky to even know about the Bio-tech force enhancement program (he was visibly surprised when Blonsky mentioned Super Soldier).

Like I admitted, I am probably just beiong a worry wart... but some of these comments get away from what I am expecting in the films. I will admit, to my understanding Thor underwent several re-writes... so this stuff just might be some of the current ideas that are being kicked around, and are not set in stone. I am hoping for proper scale.

So a team of super beings fighting HYDRA, which was not even around yet (much less in Europe), would disappoint greatly.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I really doubt they will use Human Torch. He was probably mentioned because he is on the team. Same with Namor, even if they had the rights to him. I am thinking the remaining heroes will be merely enhanced by whatever formulas they come up with. So basically, G.I Joe type action is what I am thinking. Could be a good thing or bad thing. But a straight up WW2 movie featuring Captain America is not going to really distinuish itself from other WW2 movies.

 

[chiefchirpa]

Putting too many superhero characters in the movie -> Captain America will lose his uniqueness inside a pseudo-realistic setting.

Captain America is basically America Ninja in WW2 time, but you don't want to see him too out of place when you see other "Ninjas" helping him out.

 

[PumpkinBombxXx]

I would like to point out Caps sheild is not in Iron Man if you have zoom on your DvD player check it out its part of a machine

 

[PumpkinBombxXx]

sorry double post. I cant imagine that there will be to many super powered operatives in this film thats what made Cap so special is that even thoe he was just an enhanced human he was one of the first geneticaly engineared Super Humens. Then again i said there was no way that deadpool would ever have retractable arm blades so what do i know

 

[Nirvana]

Damn...I don't really like these ideas. With a bunch of heroes it'll definitely take the spotlight away from Caps. For some reason I'm getting an X-Men Origins: Wolverine vibe, now...

 

[topdog1]

Of course not... However, with the established element of seeking a high degree of plausibility, an over the top presentation of a flying, flaming android and a super-speed vampire, and a guy who looks like Johnny Storm and has the same powers... called Toro, would be a huge let down. If the want to modify the characters to make them more period-plausible-movie-versions of their comic book selves, then I can go with it.

Overall, these movies that intitiated in contemporary times (IM, TIH), represent a turning-of-the-corner in the Marvel Movie-verse... A new age of technology and enhanced human capability. CA may have been precursor to it all, but he should be considered VERY special for his time. Moreover, the current tone of these films does not lend itself to the idea that there was a team of super beings fighting on the battle field 65 years ago. It doesn't even seem as though Cap was very high profile, as Ross didn't expect Blonsky to even know about the Bio-tech force enhancement program (he was visibly surprised when Blonsky mentioned Super Soldier).

Like I admitted, I am probably just beiong a worry wart... but some of these comments get away from what I am expecting in the films. I will admit, to my understanding Thor underwent several re-writes... so this stuff just might be some of the current ideas that are being kicked around, and are not set in stone. I am hoping for proper scale.

So a team of super beings fighting HYDRA, which was not even around yet (much less in Europe), would disappoint greatly.

Yep, that's EXACTLY the way I feel. Believe me, I'm not an uptight fanboy who can't let leave the continuity of the books. In pure film terms, Cap needs to be grounded firmly in sight of the believability line. His origin and shift to being used as a symbol for the whole country during its most trying time is rich and can stand on its own. Cap's development and sacrifice makes an epic story, you don't need a super team. Going over-the-top here would be a huge mistake by Marvel.

 

[topdog1]

I would like to point out Caps shield is not in Iron Man if you have zoom on your DvD player check it out its part of a machine

According to the comic book Marvel released in conjunction with the film, that was a prototype shield Stark found in his father's archive. Tony's father contributed to the Super Soldier program of WWII. Tony cannibalize part of it to use in his armor. So, it wasn't Cap's real shield (presumably that's buried with him in the ice during the movie's time frame) but it was a similar shield.

 

[Webhead2006]

Like said before when this article came out who knows if all thes things will happen. Mayb they will have hints of hydra forming, but not physically seen, maybe only one or two invaders characters like union jack or captain britain would be seen. Or maybe this wont happen at all and its just capt/skull-nazis for the film. I agree we dont need this to get to jamed packed with characters lik X3 or wolverine it should just be cap/bucky/skull/nazis and the other key 1940s characters that are important to cap.

 

[Timstuff]

Please, no Invaders! Maybe the minimal international appeal of Captain America should be Marvel's incentive not to turn this into a 200 million dollar CG mess, so that even if it makes most of its money in the US it will still make a profit.

When you introduce a superhero in a movie, the superhero needs to be what makes the world "super." If he's just one superhero amidst a big jumble of super dudes, then he stops seeming so special. I'd prefer to see the Captain America movie fairly grounded in reality save for Cap and Red Skull, who bring the fantasy element to WW2.

 

[Retroman]

Interesting that Fox still has Namor rights. I thought it was at Universal or back with Marvel.

They don't own the rights to that Namor as far as i know. I think it's an assumption made by writer of the article.

Posted: Fri., Jul. 18, 2008, 3:42pm PT

Sony has a fourth "Spider-Man" planned for 2011.

Universal has "Sub-Mariner," based on the undersea character Namor.

Fox is readying sequels or spinoffs based on its successful "X-Men" franchise, including one on archvillain Magneto.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117989192.html

I was suprised to read Marvel had Skrulls when Fox has Super Skrull...weird.

 

[chamber-music]

Awesome I would love a Union Jack cameo or supporting role in the film. Matthew Marsden from (Transformers RoF, black hawk down) for the role.

 

[FaT_tONle]

They don't own the rights to that Namor as far as i know. I think it's an assumption made by writer of the article.

I really doubt Namor is going to get a film at Universal so Marvel probably has him for all intensive purposes. I think Universal aquired him back in 05 or 06. Marvel can definitely re-obtain the character by the time they start production for Cap, but I really don't want Namor as an Invaders member. Not sure the public is going to buy an underwater God basically.

 

[bunk]

The public will buy into pretty much anything.

 

[TheWatcher]

sam worthington for android human torch