First Avenger FIRST AVENGER to feature Hydra? Invaders?

[FaT_tONle]

Using the howling commandos brings Fury into the mix - whether you use Sam Jackson or not is the question - could you make WW2 Nick Fury his father to get around the age problem that would exist.

I am still iffy about SLJ in the movie. I was always an advocate of using the 616 version for a set piece, just have Nick Fury be an alias for the SHIELD director since its inception. Infinity formula and a 90 year old SLJ just doesn't gel with me.

 

[Union Jack]

^ i agree...nick fury is a white grizzled dude.

i hate the sam jackson one even more due to the ultimate comics.

the shoulda used kurt russel as nick fury.

 

[Lucien]

I've been wondering for ages if the Invaders will feature. As long as Human Torch makes it in i'm happy. Love that guy

I don't see why having a few more super-powered heroes will detract from Cap. It's his movie, they're going to show exactly why he's one of the best heroes Marvel has to offer, despite his low-level powers.

 

[Spider-Vader]

So Namor's rights are owned by Universal? That's good, he can appear in this then.

 

[3dman27]

^ i agree...nick fury is a white grizzled dude.

I hate the sam jackson one even more due to the ultimate comics.

The shoulda used kurt russel as nick fury.

qft

 

[NEXUS 6]

HYDRA= Yes, if it is slightly revamped to be more believable.
INVADERS= No. As sweet as they are, it would be tough from a rights standpoint. Human Torch is owned by Fox through FF. Even though it's a different character, they probably own the name. plus non-supernerd moviegoers would be confused. Namor is probably owned by somebody else too, so you're looking at an Invaders team of Cap and... The Whizzer. Not exactly movie magic, if you ask me.

 

[Rich Santoro]

For the Marvel-Movie-verse, I want to see the Avengers depicted as the first super-team... and Cap as the first superhero ("The First Avenger: ").

A team of the "Invaders" and characters like Namor would undo that premise entirely.

 

[Webhead2006]

well like some pointed out namor isnt under marvel's full rights at this time, and their could be problems with the andriod human torch. Really the only one that would end up being used is that union jack guy.

 

[BT18]

For the Marvel-Movie-verse, I want to see the Avengers depicted as the first super-team... and Cap as the first superhero ("The First Avenger: ").

A team of the "Invaders" and characters like Namor would undo that premise entirely.

Why would you want them to be the first super-team when they were never depicted as that in the comics? If you accept the premise that this super science and other abilities exist among people in a given world there's no reason why it wouldn't have happened until the modern day, and Vigilantism/secret identities in many ways was more possible before the communication/internet age.

 

[3dman27]

well said

 

[Dog Brother #1]

I just think that putting the invaders in the movie might take away from Cap too much. I want this movie to be Captain America, not Cap & Friends: The Movie. A mention or cameo is fine, Bucky is fine, but too many characters with too much screen time I believe will detract from the movie. Let's keep the team dynamic for the Avengers movie, please.

 

[cerealkiller182]

What I like about the Invaders is they can set a precedent for the Marvel universe. Nick Furys words in Iron Man about a bigger world and more heroes can start with Captain America who inspires The Invaders creation and be his replacement after his freezing thus making Cap the first masked hero. I think Union Jack mainly could work the best even though in the comics Union Jack legacy predates WWII.

 

[Webhead2006]

Yea i agree i dont want to see cap turned into X3 or wolverine where their was way to many characters and not enough screen time for them all. I agee for cap it should just be steve, bucky, union jack, maybe make a mention of the invaders characters or show them in just a one/two scene cameo in say a news paper clipping/newsreel.

 

[FaT_tONle]

After thinking about this for a bit, I actually think the Invaders would work if the whole idea is to ressurect that superhero team concept in Avengers. I am all for keeping these films as grounded and as plausible as you can without compromising the characters, but if it just Cap/Union Jack and some no-named soildiers, that's really not the Invaders. You need Namor and Android Torch. Namor would benefit by being introduced alongside a character like Cap. I also think as long as they can do enough to distinguish Android Torch from Johnny Storm, maybe give him a more primitive metallic like design, instead of making him fully organic human being, audiences could accept that. Knowing Marvel's style it will probably just be Cap, Union Jack, and some specialized soldiers. I think Thor will push the boundaries of realism anyway so eventually Marvel will have to go outside the box.

 

[Aesop Rocks]

So, I guess we'll be seeing a submariner?

 

[protocida]

No superpowered Invaders.

 

[Webhead2006]

Well i thought it was confirmed marvel studios at this present time doesnt retain the rights to namor, it just has tih/im/cap/doc strange/ and a few others. At most if their is any invaders it will probably just und up being cap/union jack/ and possibly andriod torch.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I am sure they can reacquire Namor if they really wanted to use him. Universal has not made any headway into a Namor feature film... or animated film for that matter. And they already gave up Hulk. Maybe give them like 1% of the box office or something. But it's like that Pym debate people were having in the Avengers forum. If Hanks/Janet are not in, it's not really Avengers. I don't know if I completely agree with that but it's a fair argument. Likewise, if Torch and Namor are not in, it's not the Invaders. Just some hapassed version of them more suitable for a live action feature.

 

[Aztec]

Namor is part of the Fantastic Four package like the Silver Surfer is. Marvel cannot use him. They can however use the android Human Torch from the Invaders.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Namor is part of the Fantastic Four package like the Silver Surfer is. Marvel cannot use him. They can however use the android Human Torch from the Invaders.

Namor is with Universal as debunked by Retroman. The author of the article stating Namor was with Fox obviously didn't do his homework. Marvel can reaquire Namor as the character appears to be going nowhere at Universal.

 

[Rich Santoro]

Why would you want them to be the first super-team when they were never depicted as that in the comics? If you accept the premise that this super science and other abilities exist among people in a given world there's no reason why it wouldn't have happened until the modern day, and Vigilantism/secret identities in many ways was more possible before the communication/internet age.

The arguement that what is in the comics can just translate to movies misses that point that the books have been around for over 60 years. I am not keen on running through 60 years of story-telling and development in just a couple of movies.

The films have a different presentation for the Marvel universe. IM showed up on the scene as something entirely new and as of yet unseen by the masses. Plus, the whole tone of the SS program and the SSS, as depicted in TIH, makes that particular event and phenomenon really stand-out. Other characters and events like the Invaders have not left a mark on the Marvel movie verse.

IM was a WOW moment... The SSS was historic... so much so that Ross has dedicated his career to re-creating the formula. Androids, other enhanced humans, mutants, don't fit for me. I prefer that those events not be there.

 

[BobJM]

I think it should just be Captain America and the Howling Commandos minus Fury and maybe Dum Dum (save him for a possible SHIELD film)

Captain America & Red Skull should be the only relics of WWII to be thawed out or re-enter society in an Avengers film or in later sequels.

 

[NEXUS 6]

For the Marvel-Movie-verse, I want to see the Avengers depicted as the first super-team... and Cap as the first superhero ("The First Avenger: ").

A team of the "Invaders" and characters like Namor would undo that premise entirely.

Exactly.

 

[TheWatcher]

My Invaders Cast!
Captain America-Chris Pine
Namor-Luke Goss (I know,I know,Fox,blah,blah)
The Torch-Sam Worthington
Captain Britain-Jude Law

 

[Spider-Fan]

I love the idea of using Hydra in Captain America. However, not excited about the Invaders. I think if they're to be used, Cap, Union Jack, and special ops people should be the extent of it. Maybe the white Nick Fury also to establish the idea of Nick Fury being an alias assumed by the SHIELD Director. No Namor or android Torch. Yes, this is not a typical WWII world, but at the same time, you don't want it to be too cartoony. If android torch were used, I'd imagine he is a Howard Stark invention. But, I think you risk taking too much away from Cap and overloading the film with cameos, ala X-Men Origins: Wolverine. Now, Marvel is not FOX, but the risk for that is there.

Hydra hell yes! Invaders...it has too much potential to go sour for me to like the idea.