Superman Returns First screening (for the press) report

[Octoberist]

to me, it's just such a bold move on Singer's part to include Jason in the series. I just hope that it won't be like the Mummy Returns or the Legend of Zorro when it comes down to the sequels..

 

[Michael Corleone]

I don't normally buy into first screenings. The 'press' usually consists of critics who are generally more kind to this type of film, genre, actors, its predecessors if it has any, etc.

You don't buy into much.

 

[Pickle-El]

No, I know - and it's frustrating that Singer might produce a film which may be enjoyed by the masses while alienating the people who have most passionately campaigned for a new Superman film.

I thought people chose sides on these issues already.

 

[J.Howlett]

Well, in the novel, the kid was just a kid. He wasn't annoying. I understand everyone's relucantance of having a kid in the film considering added kids to films like this have not worked in the last 6 years.

At the same time, I see why Singer put the kid in. Just having Lois dating some guy isn't enough to push the internal struggle for Superman. She could easily dump the guy and try with Superman again.

Having Lois in a relationship with a good man who treats her well and loves her deeply, along with a kid, drives the point home that things have in fact changed while he was gone. He's going to have to live with the decision he made.

It'll be an obstacle for the sequels. And it will get solved in the end.

So far, none of the films have actually had Lois and Superman together at the end and her knowing his secret.

 

[JamalYIgle]

No, I know - and it's frustrating that Singer might produce a film which may be enjoyed by the masses while alienating the people who have most passionately campaigned for a new Superman film.

the point of making a movie is for it to be enjoyed by the masses, not a few die hards who can't handle change.

 

[Tzigone]

to me, it's just such a bold move on Singer's part to include Jason in the series. I just hope that it won't be like the Mummy Returns or the Legend of Zorro when it comes down to the sequels..

Two thing to say: firstly, I love the Mummy Returns and secondly, the kid is the least of the problems in the Legend of Zorro - I have way more problems with the horse . . . and the prophecy . . .and the entire plot. There was no dramatic weight and the humor wasn't funny, just stupid. Take out the kid and the movie doesn't get any better.

 

[Venom71]

the point of making a movie is for it to be enjoyed by the masses, not a few die hards who can't handle change.

Well said

 

[J.Howlett]

One question though:

If the kid is Superman's, how much of Superman II is part of this "vague history" the writers have created?

Again, I've read the novel but I'm still trying to solve it in my head on how to explain that aspect to the general masses...if the kid is in fact Superman's heir.

 

[Showtime]

No, I know - and it's frustrating that Singer might produce a film which may be enjoyed by the masses while alienating the people who have most passionately campaigned for a new Superman film.

Your generalizing and putting opinions in people's mouths. Singer is only alienating those who have negative thoughts about the production, which is fine, but it is a minority not a majority.

So you should be posting that Singer is alienating a minority of fans who are passionate about Superman and a new film. It is the reality of it all, I am not saying it's fair or it's right, but it is what it is.

Marketing wise it would be crazy to spend 100's of millions of dollars to make a movie that only caters to diehard fans of the comic books. It doesn't make sense for any movie. That being said, it doesn't justify Lois having a kid or a what is being perceived by some as a Hackmanesque Lex.

Any time you are writing, directing, or producing a movie you want to it to resonate with everyone on certain levels. I am not saying you should write, direct, or produce it that way, but that is what you hope for in the end. If anything the marketing needs to hash that out to bring them into the theater.

 

[Desk]

the point of making a movie is for it to be enjoyed by the masses, not a few die hards who can't handle change.

Why can't it appeal to and satisfy both casual movie-goers and also the large existing fanbase by remaining respectful of its source material?

Or are you suggesting that crafting a film that does this is beyond Singer's capabilities? If so, then he was the wrong man for the project.

 

[Venom71]

One question though:

If the kid is Superman's, how much of Superman II is part of this "vague history" the writers have created?

Again, I've read the novel but I'm still trying to solve it in my head on how to explain that aspect to the general masses...if the kid is in fact Superman's heir.

I would think that the general public would just need to know at some point in the past Supes and Lois got together....I guess to show when they could have Routh and Bosworth recreate the FOS scene..her have a flashback to it before she tells Clark Jason is his son....to let the general public know what is going on.

 

[J.Howlett]

Interesting way to do it.

Hey, aren't the opening credits flashback, drawn moments to explain Superman The Movie?

They could do it there....

 

[MoviesKickAss]

Or are you suggesting that crafting a film that does this is beyond Singer's capabilities? If so, then he was the wrong man for the project.

Just because you & anyone you know dont like the Movie does not mean other fans will. Get over yourself. The fact that this Movie has a very big following Comic & Non Comic Book Fans alike (see MTV Movie Awards audience reaction to Routh as a little examble) = Singer is the man for the job. As I said get over yourself. What you think does not = fact. Just because you & the few People you know are not happy with this Movie so far does not mean no one else is.

 

[MoviesKickAss]

One question though:

If the kid is Superman's, how much of Superman II is part of this "vague history" the writers have created?

Again, I've read the novel but I'm still trying to solve it in my head on how to explain that aspect to the general masses...if the kid is in fact Superman's heir.

The Directors & Writers would gladly (mislead) Fans & the Public to hide certain Spoilers of the Movie (cough, look at what happened with X-Men The Last Stand in terms of the Writers answering questions on a Message Board with misleading answers & a few Interviews here & there with Ratner & some questionable answers. It should be fact to anyone now that Writers & Directors & anyone working on a Movie will mislead or in some cases flat out lie a few facts to hide certain specific spoilers. It is impossible to trust any Director, Writer of a Movie PERIOD. For examble if this Kid turns out to be Superman Singer FLAT OUT SAID 100 % at Comic Con Lois & Richard had the Kid out of wed lock. That will be one examble to show that Singer flat out lied. We will see

 

[Mr. Socko]

My gawd the 3D version better come out on DVD later.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

Singer said a few times that the kid is Richard's... and there'd be a big uproar if that turned out to be a lie, I don't think anyone wants to see Superman have a child.... so you don't lie about something that people don't want to see. You lie about things they DO want to see so that it's a surprise.

So for my money, the spoiler either is definite proof that the kid isn't his, or showing off that New Krypton is growing into Brainiac or something...

 

[JamalYIgle]

Why can't it appeal to and satisfy both casual movie-goers and also the large existing fanbase by remaining respectful of its source material?

Or are you suggesting that crafting a film that does this is beyond Singer's capabilities? If so, then he was the wrong man for the project.

No because you are serving two different audiences. The die hard comic book fans would never be happy no matter what was done. You can't please everyone, and frankly he shouldn't have to try. He is the director, he is an artist and like any artist he's allowed to present his vision.
You're assuming he's not being respectful to the source material based on your opinion. His vision of Superman is shaped by the source material he respects, the original TV series and Superman the movie. Both of which are faithful to their source material , the comics of their time.

I'm working on a book,Firestorm, that has had constant moaning from some quarters because we're not doing what some fans want us to do. I should not have to be swayed by the whims of a few fans because ultimatley every one wants something different. I mean look at this board as it is so far we have multiple camps.

* Those who want a John Byrne Man Of Steel version
*Those who want a direct adaptaion of Superman: Birthright
*Those who want a version closer to Superman:the animated series
*Those who want a remade origin story
*Those who want a version of the Death of Superman, with Doomsday as the Villian
*Those who want Bizarro as the villian
*Those who want Mettalo as the lead villian
Those who want Metallo as a stooge of Lex Luthor
*Those who want Braniac as the Villian
Those who want a more comic book version of Braniac( The Coluan world mind)
*those who want a Kryptonian Braniac like S:TAM

So do you see the problem here? there are so many versions of Superman to choose from, nearly 80 years worth of stories taht it would be impossible to take everything and mesh intpo a single vision. So you have to go with the vision that the public already knows , which is Superman the movie(Which is as I type this, playing in the background on Cinemax right now)a movie that has been in constant rotation for the last 27 years and build on it.
That's why this movie will work.

 

[MoviesKickAss]

there'd be a big uproar if that turned out to be a lie

You should have seen the X-Boards right after the Movie Opened thanks to some very misleading answers from the Writers. I hope Singer is prepared if he does in fact end up lying about a few things

 

[Mr. Socko]

I don't like the kid angle.

If it's Richard's then how can Lois and Clark have a great relationship when Richard will always be there. Not to mention how'd Clark would feel about the love of his life having a child from another man.

And if it's Clark's...well like Doc said, no one wants to see Superman have a child. If it is then all of the sequel movies will have to take place in one age or the kid will grow up and be the 2nd Superman

 

[J.Howlett]

I seriously doubt Singer's "supposed lies" for this film will be on the same level as the "lies" told during the production of The Last Stand.

By the way, when was there a general poll for EVERYONE that stated people don't want to see Superman have a child?

Seriously? Let's see how it works within the context of the story and the character of Superman before we condemn the idea...

 

[MoviesKickAss]

I seriously doubt Singer's "supposed lies" for this film will be on the same level as the "lies" told during the production of The Last Stand.

True that. The only thing any fan would be able to be pissed at Singer is really with the fact that he flat out said many times that the Jasons is Lois & Richards. But time will tell with that

 

[Tzigone]

You should have seen the X-Boards right after the Movie Opened thanks to some very misleading answers from the Writers. I hope Singer is prepared if he does in fact end up lying about a few things

Yeah, but it's such a teeny, tiny percentage of people that ever heard the interviews and comments in the first place that it's quite likely their negative backlash won't make much impression

 

[MoviesKickAss]

Yeah, but it's such a teeny, tiny percentage of people that ever heard the interviews and comments in the first place that it's quite likely their negative backlash won't make much impression

Well the Writers did not give possible mis leading answers at "Comic Con" so Singer will have alot more going for him if some things he said turned out to be false. More People know what Singer said then what the X Writers purely due to WHERE they said it

 

[Sarcasm]

Is there any topic surrounding a comic movie nerds won't endlessly dissect and debate?


FYI ~ I'm all nerd....I just care about seein the movie and maybe gettin some info on what's gonna happen before it debuts. This movie will rock.....patience true Superman fans....the haters will be silenced.....well, they never really shutup, but they will eat their words privately...that's good enough for me.

 

[Milkman95]

I don't like the kid angle.

If it's Richard's then how can Lois and Clark have a great relationship when Richard will always be there. Not to mention how'd Clark would feel about the love of his life having a child from another man.

And if it's Clark's...well like Doc said, no one wants to see Superman have a child. If it is then all of the sequel movies will have to take place in one age or the kid will grow up and be the 2nd Superman

Well, not if somehow Lex ends up killing Richard or he dies another way. That could be the possible spoiler, who knows......