Forever was like Begins.

[Morgoth]

In a way. Forever was meant to clean up the franchise after Batman Returns was considered too dark, but they wanted to clean it up for all the wrong reasons. Toy sales etc.

Whereas Begins was meant to clean up the character after WB's Shumacher monster got away from them.

I know this is kind of a "Duh we know this already you idiot" type thread to start but, forgive me, I was just thinking about it and I'm in a great mood thinking about superheroes and I just felt like bringing it up.

It's like the two ends of the spectrum, Forever was the revamp for the kid friendly toy sales tie in market, and Begins was the revamp for the fans and the character himself. :bat:

 

[Batman1939]

uhmm yeahh.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Suuure, let's start useless threads!! come on, it's fun and free!

 

[El Payaso]

Forever was, 'uh oh dear audience, we're sorry, we know you like your Batman lighter, have fun.'

Begins was, 'uh oh dear audience, we're sorry, we know you like your Batman darker, have fun.'

 

[The Joker]

Forever didn't clean up anything. It was a HUGE step down from the wonderful Batman Returns. Especially in the villain and visuals department.

 

[batmaluco]

Forever didn't clean up anything. It was a HUGE step down from the wonderful Batman Returns. Especially in the villain and visuals department.

^^Forever was an attempt of using crap as a cleaning product.

 

[Two-Face]

In a way. Forever was meant to clean up the franchise after Batman Returns was considered too dark, but they wanted to clean it up for all the wrong reasons. Toy sales etc.

Whereas Begins was meant to clean up the character after WB's Shumacher monster got away from them.

I know this is kind of a "Duh we know this already you idiot" type thread to start but, forgive me, I was just thinking about it and I'm in a great mood thinking about superheroes and I just felt like bringing it up.

It's like the two ends of the spectrum, Forever was the revamp for the kid friendly toy sales tie in market, and Begins was the revamp for the fans and the character himself. :bat:

That bit I agree with.

 

[Bat Attack]

Forever was like a mild coffee stain on an already clean, perfect piece of paper. Batman & Robin was like someone dumped the entire pot of coffee on the paper, balled it up, and shoved it up Rosie O'Donnells ass.

 

[Nepenthes]

Just imagine if Burton didn't create the mutant Penguin. More specifically....

I still believe that the scene where Penguin bites the guys nose and the bit where he vomits black crap and dies are SOLELY responsible for what happened next.

 

[El Payaso]

Just imagine if Burton didn't create the mutant Penguin.

We'll still have that dull lame chubby guy in a tuxedo as a main villiain.

More specifically....

I still believe that the scene where Penguin bites the guys nose and the bit where he vomits black crap and dies are SOLELY responsible for what happened next.

We can't blame Burton trying to make a good movie and not worrying about 9 y.o. kids and their parents or about how many toys they could sell when making the movie.

If executives weren't so worried about filling their pockets (even more) instead of making a good movie they'd have never ruined the whole thing. It was their decision and theirs only to bring Schumacher and tuirn Batman into a family franchise.

After they realized Batman is not McDonald's Happy Meals' material, they brought Batman again to the shadows. We won't complain about B Begins' hallucinations scenes or violence now, right?

 

[Superwoman Prime]

We can all agree that BF was the lesser of the two evils. Anyone who thinks otherwise: has problems. Matter of fact my friend, not a matter of opinion.


^ Joke, btw.

 

[El Payaso]

Long time no see hypertimed.

 

[El Payaso]

Long time no see hypertimed.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

Hey there Payaso.

yeah, had to go to Tibet and train in some ninjitsu. You know how it is.

 

[El Payaso]

Tiger!... Jiujitsu!!... Panther!!!... Chihuahua!!!!

 

[Cyrusbales]

Forever was like a mild coffee stain on an already clean, perfect piece of paper. Batman & Robin was like someone dumped the entire pot of coffee on the paper, balled it up, and shoved it up Rosie O'Donnells ass.

delete the bold and we're getting there.....

 

[Nepenthes]

 

[Nepenthes]

We'll still have that dull lame chubby guy in a tuxedo as a main villiain.

Chubby yeah, lame no. It's Burton he'd could have made him cool without the all the blackvomit buckets of fish nonense. Pity he didn't try.

We can't blame Burton trying to make a good movie and not worrying about 9 y.o. kids and their parents or about how many toys they could sell when making the movie.

Burton should at least been mindful of the kids, he knew they wanted to see the movie the most. But yeah the real blame should go on studio guys who didn't have the foresight too delete those shiitty scenes. They're only short and minor scenes in terms of the story, but imo they were 90% responsible for turning parents away.

If executives weren't so worried about filling their pockets (even more) instead of making a good movie they'd have never ruined the whole thing. It was their decision and theirs only to bring Schumacher and tuirn Batman into a family franchise.

You can't blame them for wanting (more) money. They're not artists.

But I get that the studio messed up, they misjudged their audience and Schumacher simply did the best he could under orders. All I'm saying it's a pity that such a small amount of trivial stuff in BR caused such a horrendous and ultimately unprofitable overreaction at WB.


Also I don't see how the toys weren't selling was Burtons fault. There were plenty of great toys to market from BR, but someone else at WB sucked at their job and messing with Burton must have seemed an easy solution. But that's another thing altogether.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Why am I replying to this thread?

 

[El Payaso]

Chubby yeah, lame no. It's Burton he'd could have made him cool without the all the blackvomit buckets of fish nonense. Pity he didn't try.

He tried something better and more extreme than an average short guy.

Burton should at least been mindful of the kids, he knew they wanted to see the movie the most.

No, he shouldn't. As an artist he can't start the idea thinking of what the children and fathers might or might not like to see.

But yeah the real blame should go on studio guys who didn't have the foresight too delete those shiitty scenes. They're only short and minor scenes in terms of the story, but imo they were 90% responsible for turning parents away.

Then I myself congratulate this scenes to keep the movie's wrong public away.

You can't blame them for wanting (more) money. They're not artists.

If they don't have a bit of respoect for art then they shouldn't be involved with it.

But I get that the studio messed up, they misjudged their audience and Schumacher simply did the best he could under orders. All I'm saying it's a pity that such a small amount of trivial stuff in BR caused such a horrendous and ultimately unprofitable overreaction at WB.

That's what you got when you start making bat-movies for fathers and kids to like.

Also I don't see how the toys weren't selling was Burtons fault. There were plenty of great toys to market from BR, but someone else at WB sucked at their job and messing with Burton must have seemed an easy solution.

I agree.

Why am I replying to this thread?

There's twelve asnwers for that. You won't like any.

 

[Noir]

Forever was cool.. Personally I think Returns was the Antimatter universe Doppleganger of Batman and Robin.

Think about it, Batman Returns is the most gothic and disturbed movie, Batman's killing people getting "p00ssy" (catwoman joke) being the mecha-EMO, I believe Batman had a HIM cd with him in the Batmobile.

Batman and Robin was so Bright and Shinny its like the gay pride parade but.. gayer.
Batman covers Robin in goo, Freeze spends more time making up unfunny joke than Dane Cook, its like Batman had a giant RENT song book stuck up his Bat-Thong in B&R..

 

[Bat Attack]

Yeah...

 

[Borat]

Yeah...

lol

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Am I the only one who finds Batman Returns to be a entertaining but terrible movie?

 

[CConn]

I find Batman Returns to be a very good, but hard to watch movie.