Fox News to Atheists: You don't have to live here

[Ant-manic]

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Okay the irony coming out of the idiot's mouth at the end is... staggering.

"To try to enforce it on everyone else and inflict their belief system."

But it's nice to see a brunette on Fox.

What a disgusting woman.

the irony flew right over that screeching bat's head. love that comment about her "5 husbands," at the end. i wonder what God would say about that.

 

[chaseter]

Oh look, it's both the atheists and fundi theists being stupid. Nothing new. Carry on.

 

[jaqua99]

People have their own rights to their own opinions. If people want to ***** and moan, let em. No one's opinion is any more of an opinion. Let them complain

 

[chaseter]

People who have no lives and waste resources trying to take 'God' off of money are just as stupid as the people overreacting and telling them to leave a country founded on freedom of religion. Both sides need to grow up and they won't because a)they are both really, really stupid or b)there's money to be made.

 

[Thundercrack85]

No. There is this thing called separation of church and state. God was put on the money and in the pledge in the 1950's, because some people wanted to shove their beliefs down kid's throats.

It is ridiculous and unconstitutional that children have to declare their allegiance to one group's God.

One day, it will be struck down. That day can not come soon enough.

 

[NickNitro]

Yes, the kids give two ****s.

I was raised a catholic, and I hated praying in the catholic school. And I know if I were an American kid, I'd hate having to say "under god".

Praying in school and saying the pledge of allegiance with one line of Under God is hardly the same thing

 

[chaseter]

No. There is this thing called separation of church and state. God was put on the money and in the pledge in the 1950's, because some people wanted to shove their beliefs down kid's throats.

It is ridiculous and unconstitutional that children have to declare their allegiance to one group's God.

One day, it will be struck down. That day can not come soon enough.

You don't have to say the pledge. It's you freedom to say it or not. You can't force the pledge on anyone. I wasn't talking about the pledge anyways as you have a good argument there. It was added during a very xenophobic point in our country's history.

God has been on our national money for over 150 years. People who fight that are stupid...which is what I was talking about. I said money.

Separation of church and state means no laws supporting a certain religion or laws prohibiting the free exercise of any religion. Having God on our money or in the pledge is not a law supporting a religion or a prohibition of free exercise. That's why it's not a big deal. If you were forced to say the pledge, then we have an argument.

 

[NickNitro]

Do we need to change all the currency in this country now too because it says "In God We Trust"?

Just use your Debit card

 

[Figs]

As an Agnostic who was raised Catholic and really doesn't like religion(all of them, I'm not biased like most people now days), I almost can't stand Atheists just as much. Or the numerous ones that I've met at least.

The ones that ***** about god on the dollar and in the pledge of allegiance. Get over it! It's a word in the Pledge that you can skip over when your saying it out loud in school. As for it being on the dollar, do your hands light on fire because the name is printed on their?

Grow up and move on. The only complaints I find valid from Atheists and other Agnostics like myself are when the religious groups are trying to shove their beliefs down our throats. I don't consider "God" on the dollar or in the Pledge as shoving it down our throats though.

 

[TheDreamMaster]

I used to be an atheist until I found Cthulhu. This is one planet under Cthulhu!

You have a thread for this! Go worship your vile fish God there!

Spoiler

In all honesty, as a Christian, I think everyone should be free to practice what they practice. I don't agree with taking the "under God" part out, because it has been a part of the country forever. People need to learn some tact, because people in general, Christians, atheists, anybody else, need to use some common sense and learn respect.

 

[Thundercrack85]

You don't have to say the pledge. It's you freedom to say it or not. You can't force the pledge on anyone. I wasn't talking about the pledge anyways as you have a good argument there. It was added during a very xenophobic point in our country's history.

God has been on our national money for over 150 years. People who fight that are stupid...which is what I was talking about. I said money.

Separation of church and state means no laws supporting a certain religion or laws prohibiting the free exercise of any religion. Having God on our money or in the pledge is not a law supporting a religion or a prohibition of free exercise. That's why it's not a big deal. If you were forced to say the pledge, then we have an argument.

Why is it even in the pledge? Answer that. Why are students being encouraged, if not forced to even recite a pledge with a deity in it?

Why is it on the money? That became national policy in the late 1950's. Also when they made "In God We Trust" the national motto... tradition be damned.

Are you really going to pretend that the capitalized god they're referring to any god besides the one in the Christian bible? The state can no show any religion preference, that much has been established by the Supreme Court.

Keep religion out of the class rooms. One day, it might not be your religion or your god.

 

[Thundercrack85]

You have a thread for this! Go worship your vile fish God there!

Spoiler

In all honesty, as a Christian, I think everyone should be free to practice what they practice. I don't agree with taking the "under God" part out, because it has been a part of the country forever. People need to learn some tact, because people in general, Christians, atheists, anybody else, need to use some common sense and learn respect.

Actually, the pledge of allegiance only dates back to the late 1890's, and the under God part was added in the 1950's.

Hardly forever.

One is a remnant of American imperialism (i.e. the literal imperialism era) and the other largely the result of Cold War politics.

Give me good ol' E pluribus unum any day.

 

[redhawk23]

The ones that ***** about god on the dollar and in the pledge of allegiance. Get over it! It's a word in the Pledge that you can skip over when your saying it out loud in school. As for it being on the dollar, do your hands light on fire because the name is printed on their?

Its inclusion of "In God we Trust" as some kind of national motto on the dollar bill, pretty well flies in the face of the first amendment. The dollar is one of the most common representations of our country used around the world. It is a symbol, covered in symbols. If there is anywhere that "In God we trust" is a problem, it is on our money.

Why should someone wishing to pledge allegiance, have to skip part of it? Why does that line have to be in the pledge at all?

 

[Snow Queen]

I have to wonder what people would do and say if instead of "In God We Trust", money had "In Allah We Trust" or "In Odin We Trust" on it instead.

 

[Figs]

Its inclusion of "In God we Trust" as some kind of national motto on the dollar bill, pretty well flies in the face of the first amendment. The dollar is one of the most common representations of our country used around the world. It is a symbol, covered in symbols. If there is anywhere that "In God we trust" is a problem, it is on our money.

Why should someone wishing to pledge allegiance, have to skip part of it? Why does that line have to be in the pledge at all?

The real question is, why do people cry about it like they're literally being enslaved?

As I already said before, I really dislike religion, one of the reasons is because of my abusive religious upbringing, that's what really pushed me away. As someone who dislikes all religions for the most part, I don't care about "In God We Trust" being on the dollar or the word "God" in the pledge of allegiance. It's something fairly small and silly to cry about.

The things that piss me off are when you go to a metal concert and have those protesters with their Jesus Saves signs up and start juding you, and how the ultra conservative right are trying to deny gays from getting married even though they're Americans and should have that right.

 

[redhawk23]

Because the power of the constitution is a social construct that only exists if you enforce it.

 

[Bat-Mite]

Do you know what was never really controversial? The original pledge. This whole mess could be sorted out quite easily by restoring it to its original form. The only people who have a stake in keeping it as it is are those who want to indoctrinate children into monotheism, but many of these same people would hypocritically raise holy hell if their child were pressured into saying a pledge that promoted atheism or polytheism.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Long story short, religious groups like the Knights of Columbus, pressured the government, and Eisenhower recently converted (to Presbyterianism), and we all know how zealous new converts can be...

You can imagine what they would call any congressmen who opposed adding "under God" to the pledge at the height of the Cold War...

 

[Thundercrack85]

The real question is, why do people cry about it like they're literally being enslaved?

As I already said before, I really dislike religion, one of the reasons is because of my abusive religious upbringing, that's what really pushed me away. As someone who dislikes all religions for the most part, I don't care about "In God We Trust" being on the dollar or the word "God" in the pledge of allegiance. It's something fairly small and silly to cry about.

The things that piss me off are when you go to a metal concert and have those protesters with their Jesus Saves signs up and start juding you, and how the ultra conservative right are trying to deny gays from getting married even though they're Americans and should have that right.

I would not want my children to pledge to any deity, or to be pressured to do so. I would also never make anyone else do that. It is simply wrong.

It's also unconstitutional.

So, I disagree that it's silly.

 

[Figs]

I would not want my children to pledge to any deity, or to be pressured to do so. I would also never make anyone else do that. It is simply wrong.

It's also unconstitutional.

So, I disagree that it's silly.

Like I said in my first post, when repeating the pledge you can simply skip over the word "God".

I do find it silly because it's not something extreme. Now if a teacher pointed his or her finger at your child and gave them hell for not saying the word "God"...then we have a problem.

In short, as an Agnostic, I don't sit there staring at the cash in my wallet fuming because it has a specific word on it.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Why? Why do nonbelievers, or non-Christians have to settle for that? What happened to the no endorsing religion part of the constitution?

Quite frankly the entire pledge is ridiculous. It's a left over of the imperialist era. I am however glad kids no longer have to perform the Bellamy salute while saying it. If you don't know what that is, look it up.

But, whatever, as long as it's secular, and voluntary.

 

[redhawk23]

Again its more of a matter that I fundamentally disagree that it should be used as as a motto for our country in one of the most prominent representations of our country used by people around the world.

Out of Many, One is a far better description of what the United States should aim to be about.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Well that, or a more genuine "**** you Lenin".

Either works for me. Let's just be honest. And constitutional.

No posturing, which was what that was in large part.

 

[Hal_Jordan]

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Okay the irony coming out of the idiot's mouth at the end is... staggering.

"To try to enforce it on everyone else and inflict their belief system."

But it's nice to see a brunette on Fox.

What a disgusting woman.

Fox News is a joke. I find it amusing that they will take any and every chance to call Obama a socialist/communist/Nazi/Secret Muslim, or whatever. But they're strongly defending the Pledge of Allegiance...which was actually written by a socialist!

 

[Figs]

Why? Why do nonbelievers, or non-Christians have to settle for that? What happened to the no endorsing religion part of the constitution?

Quite frankly the entire pledge is ridiculous. It's a left over of the imperialist era. I am however glad kids no longer have to perform the Bellamy salute while saying it. If you don't know what that is, look it up.

But, whatever, as long as it's secular, and voluntary.

I get where you're coming from Thundercrack, but I can't help but disagree with the pledge and money examples because I find them to be small issues compared to a few examples I gave above like the religious right still trying to keep gays from being married because it's not "moral" under gods eyes.

Part of my disagreement is because of my loathing for how super sensitive and PC our society has become, to where everyone cries over just about anything now days. As you just said, the pledge is voluntary anyways.

As for the Bellamy salute, that was quite a long time ago. We have been putting our hands over our hearts for quite a few decades now, same with when the national anthem plays.