Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman or Brie Larson as Captain Marvel ?

[Marvel united]

Seeing CM tomorrow. I liked WW a lot but it was clear that Gal wasn't the strongest actress. Jenkins knew how to utilize her in a way that highlighted her strengths. Plus she had great chemistry with Pine. Gal is the type of actress who needs the director to hide her weaknesses and the supporting cast to give her substantial chemistry to play off of. Hence why she wasn't the greatest in Justice League. "KAL-EL, NO" and overacting in the argument scene with Affleck.

Brie is naturally more versatile and dynamic as an actress than Gal, being an Oscar-Winner and all that jazz. But I like what I've seen from her in the trailers for CM and I'll have complete opinion in the next 19 hours

 

[Batmannerism]

There are limits to even the most charismatic of performers. At the end of the day the overall story has to work in spite of what the actor brings to the table. A performance can cover up cracks, but there's only so much the actor can actually do. Why I think Gal Gadot came across better in her film was simply because the story and character arc was significantly stronger, so that's why I don't think Charlize or any other talented actress could have done any better in CM, because the story wasn't there to begin with. So, for all the people saying Brie was miscast, I think they are expecting way too much from her in this instance, and I say this as someone who thought she looked disinterested in every piece of promo for the movie.

I will make one comment about the writing.

Spoiler: Spoiler

Having CM shout " Everything I know is a lie !!!!!" is very heavy handed. If the audience has been even remotely paying attention then they have either figured that out, or have a reasonable suspicion. Superhero movies aren't known for subtlety, but that is really hitting the point on the nose with a pile driver- it's not necessary and undermines Larson's performance. The only way that would have worked is perhaps if she had said it sarcastically or murmured it thoughtfully, but shouting it directly at the supporting cast is just too much IMO - the whole fake backstory reveal was very clumsy, so when the Kree turn out to be bad guys it's no surprise to anyone and doesn't have much effect as a twist - good concept just very poorly executed. And even for fans who know the truth it could have worked ( e.g.in LOTR every fan knows that Gandalf comes back from the dead, but the films make his "death" an emotional highpoint and his return significant with good writing , good direction and good acting)
I don't blame Larson for this, so I take @jmc 's point about the material she had to work with.

 

[Web-Head]

Gal is the best thing to come out of the Snyderverse whereas Brie is another cog in the machine.

I prefer Captain Marvel, but I can't disagree with anyone who prefers Gal. I'm infinitely more excited for Captain Marvel 2 than WW84 and I can't wait to see Brie grow with the role over time. I bet she'll be a highlight in Endgame

 

[Black Narcissus]

@Batmannerism

My mans found a loophole to pit two lovely women against one another, and did it on International Womens day. I respect the audacity. I would've done it a bit different not too on the nose as they say; WW v Captain Marvel: Which Film is Better? That type of thing. The discussion on the hype would've eventually gone in this very same route. lol

Heh.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Gal is the best thing to come out of the Snyderverse whereas Brie is another cog in the machine.

I prefer Captain Marvel, but I can't disagree with anyone who prefers Gal. I'm infinitely more excited for Captain Marvel 2 than WW84 and I can't wait to see Brie grow with the role over time. I bet she'll be a highlight in Endgame

Gal definitely wasn't a Snyderverse highlight in the beginning. She certainly didn't have the instant magic that Momoa had as Aquaman, but she finally grew into the role in Justice League. Hopefully more people see WW84 than JL and Gal gets to play off of a more properly done villain this time.

With Brie, she's going to get a chance at an iconic story with an iconic villain in about 7 weeks. Brie was excellent in her own right, but her character has also been given every advantage to succeed.

 

[Adhesive Boy]

Speaking of characters benefitting by being played by someone else, Wonder Woman is the prime example. A chain isn't stronger than its weakest link, so Wonder Woman isn't stronger than the "Kal-El no!" level acting that she sometimes pulls out. With a good actress WW would have been able to give some nuance to her struggles and made her a more believable character, instead of Gal standing there and over-emoting when someone else speaks.

We're past the time where we should need to settle with our superhero actors. She is like when people were asking for HHH to play Thor before the character was cast.

Cheetah stealing the show would be the best possible outcome, because you'd already have a Wonder Woman people love, on top of her having the best female villain of all time. Win-win for Gal.

Best possible because it's not possible for Gal to keep up. With Bale it wasn't due to lack of acting talent so in his case it wasn't embarrassing for him, just an imbalance in the filmmaking.

 

[The Joker]

LOL. I do remember you riding the RT score for Homecoming in that thread: "We're back up to 93%, folks!"

So it does mean something to you.

Not just that movie. I was watching critical scores for the TDK trilogy, Raimi's Spider-Man movies, the TASM movies, the various X-Men movies, several of the DCEU movies, most of the MCU movies, the latest Halloween movie, IT (2017) to name a few. I like to see good movies get deserved praise and recognition, and bad movies get hammered.

If you call that "meaning something" to me in your mind, then yeah it meant something. But we're not even talking about critical score here. We're talking about audience score being trolled by sad idiots.

I’m sure if there was a DC logo in front of her movie you’d be singing a different tune.

Bingo.

 

[Web-Head]

Gal definitely wasn't a Snyderverse highlight in the beginning. She certainly didn't have the instant magic that Momoa had as Aquaman, but she finally grew into the role in Justice League. Hopefully more people see WW84 than JL and Gal gets to play off of a more properly done villain this time.

With Brie, she's going to get a chance at an iconic story with an iconic villain in about 7 weeks. Brie was excellent in her own right, but her character has also been given every advantage to succeed.

I wouldn't say that. Gal was much better in WW than in JL and Momoa did nothing for me in JL.

Brie is going to be playing Carol for years to come whereas Gal might only play Diana in WW84 then another film to round out her trilogy and that be the end of it.

 

[Lily Adler]

I wouldn't say that. Gal was much better in WW than in JL and Momoa did nothing for me in JL.

Brie is going to be playing Carol for years to come whereas Gal might only play Diana in WW84 then another film to round out her trilogy and that be the end of it.

Why must you be so cruel?

 

[Web-Head]

Why must you be so cruel?

Ha, I'm just stating the facts

 

[Patchwork Man]

Not just that movie. I was watching critical scores for the TDK trilogy, Raimi's Spider-Man movies, the TASM movies, the various X-Men movies, several of the DCEU movies, most of the MCU movies, the latest Halloween movie, IT (2017) to name a few. I like to see good movies get deserved praise and recognition, and bad movies get hammered.

Nice to see your post get edited since I saw it. Anyway, back to Homecoming: my point was that you had yet to see the movie when you wrote that.

It's got nothing to do with a DC logo. Do you think Captain Marvel is a "good" movie? The consensus finds it average at best.

 

[Marvel united]

After seeing CM, I can firmly say Brie Larson.

 

[sup101]

Gal all the way.. She's running away with this poll.

 

[jmc]

I wouldn't say that. Gal was much better in WW than in JL and Momoa did nothing for me in JL.

Brie is going to be playing Carol for years to come whereas Gal might only play Diana in WW84 then another film to round out her trilogy and that be the end of it.

Quality not quantity.

 

[Hammer!]

I liked Gal better than Brie in their respective origin movies. But we'll see down the line who is better with sequels and team ups. Gal was forgettable in JL, and Brie is obviously a better actress talent-wise. For now it's Gal though.

 

[Mjolnir Reborn]

Quality not quantity.

Which means that Gal falls into the second as she's already been in three films, and two of them were BvS and JL. :P

 

[Hammer!]

Which means that Gal falls into the second as she's already been in three films, and two of them were BvS and JL.

Yeah I forgot she was in BVS to be honest. She was forgettable in those two, this poll could be a lot different in five years. For now its Gal for me, though.

I might pick Widow over these two, and her first two appearances were her weakest. It's definitely a long game thing.

 

[Web-Head]

Quality not quantity.

Quality not quantity.

Well, I liked Captain Marvel more than WW and it was certainly better than BvS and JL

I meant more along the lines of us seeing Carol twice in 2019 and continue to see her grow. Chris Evans' Cap didn't become a lot of people's favorite MCU character until Winter Soldier which was his 3rd or 4th appearance

 

[jmc]

Which means that Gal falls into the second as she's already been in three films, and two of them were BvS and JL.

I know nothing of these two films you speak of. Everyone knows fully well WW was the first and only time the character has appeared on screen.......

 

[The Joker]

Nice to see your post get edited since I saw it. Anyway, back to Homecoming: my point was that you had yet to see the movie when you wrote that.

It's got nothing to do with a DC logo. Do you think Captain Marvel is a "good" movie? The consensus finds it average at best.

I edited my post like a minute after I made it to correct a typo. Why is that nice for you to see? How do you know I wrote that post when I had not seen Homecoming? Show me the post in question that you're referring to.

I haven't seen Captain Marvel yet, that's why I have not been champing for it to get a good critic score. I don't know if its a good movie or not. What consensus are you referring to? It can't be the rigged RT audience score.

 

[Hammer!]

I edited my post like a minute after I made it to correct a typo. Why is that nice for you to see? How do you know I wrote that post when I had not seen Homecoming? Show me the post in question that you're referring to.

I haven't seen Captain Marvel yet, that's why I have not been champing for it to get a good critic score. I don't know if its a good movie or not. What consensus are you referring to? It can't be the rigged RT audience score.

80% critic score, A cinema score, and 150 million OW is average at best, I guess. That would make Aquaman's 65% critic score, A- cinema score, and 67 million OW bad at best, apparently.

 

[Lantern Venom]

I wouldn't say that. Gal was much better in WW than in JL and Momoa did nothing for me in JL.

Brie is going to be playing Carol for years to come whereas Gal might only play Diana in WW84 then another film to round out her trilogy and that be the end of it.

Gal was one of the highlights of JL, and it was the first time that we really got to see Wonder Woman as a fully developed character. Wonder Woman corrected some of the personality problems that BvS gave her, but JL fully realized the character.

 

[Lantern Venom]

I haven't seen Captain Marvel yet, that's why I have not been champing for it to get a good critic score. I don't know if its a good movie or not. What consensus are you referring to? It can't be the rigged RT audience score.

The only consensus that I've seen so far is the most important one: money. CM is another MCU juggernaut. The trolls that you mentioned in the RT plot have failed miserably.

 

[Batmannerism]

IMO none of the action sequences in CM are even close to this:



It's sad that CM has so many side issues associated with it - and can't just be viewed for its own merits. I feel like 80% is a pretty fair rating on RT. It's a good movie, but not one of Marvel's best.

 

[Hammer!]

IMO none of the action sequences in CM are even close to this:



It's sad that CM has so many side issues associated with it - and can't just be viewed for its own merits. I feel like 80% is a pretty fair rating on RT. It's a good movie, but not one of Marvel's best.

I agree. WW was better than CM. As far as characters go, the jury is still out since they will both be in five plus movies in a few years. Right now it’s Gal, but Brie is the better actress and could finish with a better body of work.