Galactus or No Galactus?

[Hunter Rider]

that's just silly. Galactus is from Space too isn't he. and outlandish characters aren't JUST in space are they?

please,..this is the kind of thing that shows how much of a sell out you are because it shows how much you refuse to judge the character fairly.
Statements like "giant pink hat" shows your bias.
Your REFUSE to accpet that ANYONE could say the same about a "silly red cape" which actually makes LESS sense than Galactus's HELMET/GEAR.
Or stupid Stretchy powers,...or a guy who turns into rock.
Do you even realize how SILLY that sounds. a guy turns in to a rock being.
THAT's the idea,..these are SUPERHEROES,..that's the GENRE,..and THAT's the Point.


I argue that very fact of his size and design put in the "real world" is exactly WHY it would work.

As i said above there is no point,he is wearing a giant pink hat is he not ?

 

[HoratioRome]

I have to agree with you here. We wont know if it works until we see some storyboarding and stuff. I recall that before I saw Superman: The Movie I thought it would be silly. It was not. Best Superhero movie of any generation period, IMHO and I am a Marvel fan.

Now the Fantastic Four 2 has the potential to be a signature event. Kudos to Tim Story for getting them to do the Galactus Story (forget that puppet master avi arad nonsense)

This is the big kahuna, the signature villain of the Marvel Universe and indeed of any comics universe and the most enigmatic (whatever that means, just sounds good to say it) character in the history of comics in his herald.

I can still remember the kirby issues when they first appeared.

There is no other way to do this. IT HAS TO BE THE KIRBY VERSION. Colors may be changed and slight (very slight) costume changes but it has to be KIRBY'S GALACTUS or I will have to agree, Fox and Rothman are in the pocket of the antichrist (lol) seduced by the lure of filthy lucre.

You guys that are saying Kirby's Galactus can't be done I am afraid you may well be wusses.

Get some backbone (lol), if Transformers can be done, so too can Kirby's Galactus and Silver Surfer versions.

Anything else would be uncilivilized.

exaclty! it NEVER ceases to amaze me how much sell outs MArvel fans are.
Your description of Galactus is DEAD ON,..and it wasn't by accident. It was because the design, the concept, and everything about him worked.
worked in a way we cannot explain, like Spider-man, SM, and all the others did.

but it works. To ask to change that is just stupid.

and again you're dead on about the transformers. Someone PLEASE explain to me how cars and planes, who turn into giant talking robots is somehow LESS ridiculous than Galactus. More acceptable.

or TMNT (teenage mutant etc.) freaking human turtles are somehow more acceptable.

please.

and the biggest problem is that it is BECAUSE of these sell outs that Hollywood continues to do what ever they want with these characters.

 

[War Lord]

exaclty! it NEVER ceases to amaze me how much sell outs MArvel fans are.
Your description of Galactus is DEAD ON,..and it wasn't by accident. It was because the design, the conept, and everything about him worked.
worked in a way we cannot explain, like Spider-man, SM, and all the others.

but it works. To ask to change that is just stupid.

and again you're dead on about the transformers. Someone PLEASE explain to me how cars and planes, who turn into giant talking robots is somehow LESS ridiculous than Galactus. More acceptable.

or TMNT (teenage mutant etc.) freakking human turtles are somehow more acceptable.

please.

and the biggest problem is that it is BECAUSE of these sell outs that Hollywood continues to do what ever they want with these characters.

If they can capture Galactus in all his power and glory, I'm all for a literal interpretation, but I don't think they can do it without spending $200 million dollars on him alone, which the studios will not do.

 

[HoratioRome]

If they can capture Galactus in all his power and glory, I'm all for a literal interpretation, but I don't think they can do it without spending $200 million dollars on him alone, which the studios will not do.

I don't know if that's true. There have been PLENTY of giant beings depicted on the big screen in the past.
And keep in mind Galactus would HAVE to be handled VERY carefully, and with GREAT care.
He shouldn't be running around the city like King Kong,..or acting silly in any way. but picture this,...the Ship is orbiting earth we get a glimpse of the interior,..the camera pans,..and we See Galactus lift his head.
remember in the comics Galactus does VERY little.
he basically just stands there,...and THAT's how it should be in the film as well.
I think a lot of people just automatically assume the worse,..that he wouldn be walking between buildings, talking up a storm, and running around with his skirt flapping in the wind,..or something.

Let me go on record to say THAT wouldn't work/

but can we make that pic (above) look menacing,...you bet....

 

[Hunter Rider]

BTW i'm not a sellout by your definition as i don't meet the criteria by witch you determine sellouts

 

[HoratioRome]

BTW i'm not a sellout by your definition as i don't meet the criteria by witch you determine sellouts

You're not an FF fan then,..
Please accept my apology.

why are you here?

 

[Hunter Rider]

You're not an FF fan then,..
Please accept my apology.

why are you here?

I like the F4 and Doom as well as the Surfer but i always thought Galactus looked Goofy so some changes are to my liking,to sell a character out you have to initially like how it was portrayed,im just keeping continuity with how ive always felt

 

[HoratioRome]

I like the F4 and Doom as well as the Surfer but i always thought Galactus looked Goofy so some changes are to my liking,to sell a character out you have to initially like how it was portrayed,im just keeping continuity with how ive always felt

ok, I can accpet that. But I hope you can accept that even though YOU didn't like it, doens't mena it isn't good. doesn't mean that this character "pink helmet" and all, has been a classic, much loved, fixture in the MU for OVER) YEARS.
particularly the FF's universe.
so yes, you may not be a Galactus sell out per say,..but I hope you can respect pedigree when you see it.
look,..in the hands of the right director, the right costume deisgner, the right cinematographer, the right writer...Kirby's Galactus could and would look so REAL,..it would blow your mind.

Much the same way that guy running around in a SPIDER outfit blew everyone's mind.

respect the material is all.

 

[el brujo138]

If they can capture Galactus in all his power and glory, I'm all for a literal interpretation, but I don't think they can do it without spending $200 million dollars on him alone, which the studios will not do.

And that is what is going to seal the deal. It might also be for the best, it forces the director come up with creative solutions.

I´m reminded of Hitchcock and his way of thinking when it comes to violence in movies, audience imagination is the best thing to use. Usually you picture something really violent in your head when something violent is hinted at. This is used really well in Se7en where none of the victaims are killed on-screen but you only see the endresult or hear about it. Gives the impression that the movie is full of gore when it´s really not.

 

[Hunter Rider]

ok, I can accpet that. But I hope you can accept that even though YOU didn't like it, doens't mena it isn't good. doesn't mean that this character "pink helmet" and all, has been a classic, much loved, fixture in the MU for OVER) YEARS.
particularly the FF's universe.
so yes, you may not be a Galactus sell out per say,..but I hope you can respect pedigree when you see it.
look,..in the hands of the right director, the right costume deisgner, the right cinematographer, the right writer...Kirby's Galactus could and would look so REAL,..it would blow your mind.

Much the same way that guy running around in a SPIDER outfit blew everyone's mind.

respect the material is all.

I have no issue accepting other ppl like things i don't but i still don't think he works as an exact translation and i don't think Spiderman is a fair comparison
In Spiderman you have a human kid who gets powers and a costume,for all intents and purposes he is like you or me with abilities and a cool suit(never thought it was goofy but that's just me)
Galactus is a man who comes from space to NY and walks through the steets standing as big as the buildings wearing pink and a huge helmet on his head with antlers on it and it is also pink

IMO if they want to keep the giant man concept they need to tweak the costume,for starters the colouring would need altering and the helmet redesigning

Would that really be so terrible ?

 

[HoratioRome]

I have no issue accepting other ppl like things i don't but i still don't think he works as an exact translation and i don't think Spiderman is a fair comparison
In Spiderman you have a human kid who gets powers and a costume,for all intents and purposes he is like you or me with abilities and a cool suit(never thought it was goofy but that's just me)
Galactus is a man who comes from space to NY and walks through the steets standing as big as the buildings wearing pink and a huge helmet on his head with antlers on it and it is also pink

IMO if they want to keep the giant man concept they need to tweak the costume,for starters the colouring would need altering and the helmet redesigning

Would that really be so terrible ?

yes,...

ok they can tweak the color a bit,..
and some minor changes to costume design is a given offcourse.
but I it should be hte KIRBY costume.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

with all due respect I disagree. the term "sell out" means something. and it may apply to some people.

It might. But the question is, are you in a position to make an accurate application?

the term sell out is to betray, turn against, run away from, deny, put down, or dismiss your roots or something (idea, object, ideology etc.) that you are supposed to be a part of.

as a "fantastic Four fan" like it or not, when you ask for a character to be REDESIGNED,.. you ARE betraying, turning your back, dismissing, etc. etc. the original character, the original design and concept, as well as the original creator of the character.
to say that Galactus wouldn't work without ANY evidence is to sell out the character. period. especially when much more outrageous concepts have worked in the past.

I'm fairly well-versed with both the heritage of the F4 comic series as well as the definition for the term "sell-out".

That said, even I--as a longtime fan--can see the need for an upgrade in design. That certainly doesn't mean I'm "betraying" anything. What it does mean is that I'm allotting for the fact that what worked in past decades may not always translate well to current CBM developments. We are in an age where there is little tolerance for high cheese factors. Therefore, everything is evolving to keep in pace with the current flow of fanboy group-think.

To illustrate: Just as a covered wagon from the set of Laura Ingall's Little House On The Prairie would not fare well on a 21st Century interstate highway, so too do certain 20 and 30 year-old concepts need updating to fit our modern flow of creative thinking today.


LS

 

[Hunter Rider]

yes,...

ok they can tweak the color a bit,..
and some minor changes to costume design is a given offcourse.
but I it should be hte KIRBY costume.

The costume design isnt a major issue,it's workable with tweaked colours IMO but that hat needs an overhaul IMO

 

[el brujo138]

I´m going to get killed for this but I´ll say it anyway. Perhaps the best way of putting Galactus on the big screen is doing the ultimate version of him. It´s just a thought, but it would eliminate a lot of problems.

 

[wobbly]

I´m going to get killed for this but I´ll say it anyway. Perhaps the best way of putting Galactus on the big screen is doing the ultimate version of him. It´s just a thought, but it would eliminate a lot of problems.

And create new ones, such as being a cosmetic rip-off of the squid designs in the Matrix and...well, just being a crap concept by comparison: a swarm of organic life hating tecnho bugs with zero personality versus the living embodiment (complete with a personality) of a cosmic force of nature.

Of those two the latter, apart from being the original, is a better concept by far and if this film's production crew really find putting that idea on screen too problematic for them then they shouldn't have anything to do with a Fantastic Four movie at all.

 

[highguard]

I´m going to get killed for this but I´ll say it anyway. Perhaps the best way of putting Galactus on the big screen is doing the ultimate version of him. It´s just a thought, but it would eliminate a lot of problems.

Someone, kill him quickly before Rothman can use his quote.

hahaahhahah

Really you know, we should all wait for the Storyboards and design images, but in truth Kirby has already given us that. It workes for me.

Worked for a majority of hardcore FF fans over the years.

I will bet it would work for mainstream movie goers if handled right.

It can work in the hands of a director who loves the character and understands that this is the Holy Grail story of Fantastic Four lore.

If they mess up here man, that would be sad.

I think Tim Story can get this done.

I have to have Kirby's Galactus and his Silver Surfer.

Let the King be venerated in the beauty and majesty of his designs.

In the world of marvel comics if this is mishandled it would be bigger than the misteps on Doom's portrayal.

Story needs to hit a home run, I hope that his vision is good and that he can see what needs to be done here.

I understand Lightnings concerns about the need for evolution but you know what, I don't think you can improve much on what Lee and Kirby did on Galactus and I hope Tim gives us Kirby's version.

And that ultimate gah lak tus nonsense should not be spoken of again.

It did not work in the comics and if they try it for the movie it will create a fire storm (pun intended) across the internet.

 

[el brujo138]

See, I said I would get killed for it? But someone had to be the first to suggest it. Anyways I love the original Galactus story from FF, so no argument there. It´s just the how that gets me.

Anyways, Galactus probably can be done on the big screen, I can´t really picture it, but War Lord had some good suggestions in this thread and voiced legitimate concerns over the budget. Exactly how much money would it cost to put Galactus in all his glory on screen?

 

[Kelly]

See, I said I would get killed for it? But someone had to be the first to suggest it. Anyways I love the original Galactus story from FF, so no argument there. It´s just the how that gets me.

Anyways, Galactus probably can be done on the big screen, I can´t really picture it, but War Lord had some good suggestions in this thread and voiced legitimate concerns over the budget. Exactly how much money would it cost to put Galactus in all his glory on screen?

This movie probably not alot of money, I don't think we are going to get a full blown Galactus this go around....

 

[Spider-Fan]

I am not sure yet...I think FOX may not want to do it for two movies. It won't shock me either route they go with Galactus at this point.

 

[Kelly]

I´m going to get killed for this but I´ll say it anyway. Perhaps the best way of putting Galactus on the big screen is doing the ultimate version of him. It´s just a thought, but it would eliminate a lot of problems.

I don't think you have to do that to sell it......I think it depends on how he's introduced in this movie.


Definite changes in my opinion, are in the area of color, and he does not have to be "as big" as the comics to get his power across to the audience....big yes, as big, no...

 

[Hunter Rider]

I am not sure yet...I think FOX may not want to do it for two movies. It won't shock me either route they go with Galactus at this point.

They may follow SM3's lead and have Galactus in the last portion of the movie the way they are doing with Venom

 

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[HoratioRome]

It might. But the question is, are you in a position to make an accurate application?

anyone is qualified, as long as they're able to recognize the criteria of a sellout in an individual.

I'm fairly well-versed with both the heritage of the F4 comic series as well as the definition for the term "sell-out".

That said, even I--as a longtime fan--can see the need for an upgrade in design. That certainly doesn't mean I'm "betraying" anything. What it does mean is that I'm allotting for the fact that what worked in past decades may not always translate well to current CBM developments. We are in an age where there is little tolerance for high cheese factors. Therefore, everything is evolving to keep in pace with the current flow of fanboy group-think.

To illustrate: Just as a covered wagon from the set of Laura Ingall's Little House On The Prairie would not fare well on a 21st Century interstate highway, so too do certain 20 and 30 year-old concepts need updating to fit our modern flow of creative thinking today.


LS

I'm sorry but I think it does mean you are betraying something. The question you need to ask yourself is how do you know it wouldn't work? what makes you think so OTHER than inherently thinking that it is not good enough. or that it is passe.
Well To think so IS to turn your back on it, to dismiss it, ie sell out.
Your example of a covered wagon is TOTALLY innapropriate. The problem with having a covered wagon on an modern interstate is that it makes no sense logically. 2 different times zones.
the appropriate anology would be to ask if the covered wagon used in little house in the prairie could be used in a western that is filmed today. and the answer would be an obvious YES.
remember an FF movie shot today is a superhero genre film, which the Galactus design fits right in.
we are talking design here. basic designs covering for concepts like Aliens, space ships, and costumes, and fantasy, and so on.
as such, Galactus's costume (unlike that of Luke Cage for example) isn't dated because we have yet to catch up to that time.
We have yet to have superheroes walking around.
IOW, it's still NEW.

again JUST like SM , and Superman, and Raiders of the LA, or King Kong, or Yoda, etc. are still new.

look it's the EXACT same for Spider-man, for Superman, for almost ALL fantasy (which has NOT been caught up with yet).
Remember I've had the EXACT same argument about the SM costume prior to the movies coming out. people were just as convinced that it was too dated and that today's audience wouldn't accept it. Alex Ross went so far as to create a whole new design because of that.
but you know what, they were all wrong. Done well, handled with respect, the SM costume WORKED. the same TODAY as it did 40 years ago.
the SAME would go for the Galactus design.

I realize it's hard for people to see this because many of us have come to think of comics and superheroes as childish material which we should be ashamed of and embarrassed for. I get it that many of us still visualize the Batman TV costume, or the Spider-man TV costume, when we think of superhero costumes.
but the evidence PROVES otherwise.
Costumes designers have caught up and are FINALLY able to translate these designs as they were intended.
as a true fan you should look forward to seeing Kirby's GREAT work being interpreted. Instead of demanding that we ignore it.
if that's not a sell out,..what is?
Finally, I'll say this again........................
conceptually, Superman's costume is MUCH more silly, makes much less sense than Galactus. but THAT didn't stop it from becoming the same iconic image it had been 30, 50, 70 YEARS before.

in order NOT to be a sell out, one needs to trust and RESPECT the material. respect the fact that it isn't easy for a costume design to last 50 YEARS, and impact people the same way as it did, 30 years prior. (not every design does you know)
THAT would make you faithfull.

but to just presume that something isn't good enough, with NO EVIDENCE to the contrary, is to sell out, (especially with other "silly" concepts like giant walking trees, flying man in red capes, Bat suits, Yellow belts and red boots, 2 feet tall lizard warriors (yoda is pretty dated too right), rock man, flaming man, Turtles that walk and talk, cars that turn into giant talking robots, octupus faced ghosts, and so on and so on having no problem at all.

what you people are having trouble visualizing is the Galactus design done well.
I get that.

but just remember Spider-man,.....

 

[HoratioRome]

It might. But the question is, are you in a position to make an accurate application?




I'm fairly well-versed with both the heritage of the F4 comic series as well as the definition for the term "sell-out".

That said, even I--as a longtime fan--can see the need for an upgrade in design. That certainly doesn't mean I'm "betraying" anything. What it does mean is that I'm allotting for the fact that what worked in past decades may not always translate well to current CBM developments. We are in an age where there is little tolerance for high cheese factors. Therefore, everything is evolving to keep in pace with the current flow of fanboy group-think.

To illustrate: Just as a covered wagon from the set of Laura Ingall's Little House On The Prairie would not fare well on a 21st Century interstate highway, so too do certain 20 and 30 year-old concepts need updating to fit our modern flow of creative thinking today.


LS

btw, to be fair to you I must say that my previous answer assumed quite a bit. Namely that you feel as some others do that the costume, heck the whole character, needs to be redesigned or reinvented a la Ultimate Gha la Crap.

look, let me go on record to say that I too see the need for "some upgrade" in the cotume design for Galactus.
But ONLY the kind of "upgrade" which keeps it the same.
the way SM movie costume "upgraded" the SM costume.
or the way each new artists, upgrades the Galactus costume to better fit their time.
Moebius's (french artist) Galactus is slightly different from, Pacheco's Galactus, which is slightly different from Byrne's, which is slightly different from Kirby's.
But there is NO dispute that we are looking at GALACTUS.
That's the kind of "upgrade" that should take place.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Galactus with a dark blue uniform and a helmet more akin to Magneto may work,like Kel says just make him a bit smaller than the books,say 20 feet tall and you can still convey his power but a straight warts and all adaption would not work onscreen