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Transformers Game developer Cliffyb(Gears of War) rips Bay over TRINO!

WalkingDead said:
The only thing I can think of is that they want to pull elements from everything, so they nod to everyone around the table, trying to cater to every facet of the Multi-Versed TF Franchise:

1.) Such as, give G1'ers the core characteristics/personas for each Autobot and probably a couple Decepticons (Megatron & Starscream).
2.) Update the Alt Modes and use them to bridge as many storylines/universes as possible...Ironhide a truck, Prime still being a Semi, Jazz a cool sportscar, and Starscream still a Fighter Jet.
3.) Make a story that combine elements from multiple storylines; "Energon Cube" being a new form of the Creation Matrix, Megatron being captured by humans, Decepticons looking for multiple things, Autobots trying to hide and yet still protect humanity when possible, and Transformers fighting the military in multiple conflicts.
4.) Give a visual look that is new and unique, yet still could be used as a Transformers look, like a combo of multiple looks. In a lot of ways this new TF look feels like Trans-Tech (the cancelled sequel to Beast Machines in which G1 and BM were going to come together with Optimus Prime, Jazz, Starscream, and Soundwave working with/fighting characters like Cheetor, Silverbolt[bw/bm], and Tankor).

Well said. But I think there's a serious danger that by eliminating a lot of the visual icons, Gen X'ers will lose any semblance of affinity towards the movie. And, they (for the most part) make up the demographic that drives these movies.

The Hulk (which bore abosolutely no resemblance to The Hulk most of us grew up with- The Bill Bixby series- not even a nod) and Godzilla are perfect examples.

On the other hand, iconic respect hasn't helped Superman Returns much (to my surprise). So, I dunno.
 
CFlash said:
Generation X, man.
I mean, folks even formed a NYC "youth group," which devolved into a notorious gang, in New York City in the late 80's called the "Decepticons." All the top leadership had TF names.

It is possibly the first and only NYC gang that went cross-borrough... which was a huge accomplishment because NYC krews are traditionally block and neighborhood oriented.

TF was (culturally) huge for some of us. Which is why we can't fathom a lot of the changes.

I remember this gang...when I was younger my older brother pointed out their graffitti to me when we were driving through Queens. There wasn't an opposing gang called Autobots, I only ask because I remember hearing my brother talking about them.
 
nosebleed said:
I remember this gang...when I was younger my older brother pointed out their graffitti to me when we were driving through Queens. There wasn't an opposing gang called Autobots, I only ask because I remember hearing my brother talking about them.

All sorts of "krews" sprouted up at different schools. Most affiliated with the main one out of Brooklyn Tech. For instance, the Deceptinettes were out of Graphic Arts and Printing in Hell's Kitchen Manhattan.

The Autobots did exist... I think comprised of kids like in Park West (also in Hell's Kitchen) that were tired of getting robbed by the Decepts.

Here's an interesting article on a female member
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1264/is_n4_v29/ai_21003414
 
CFlash said:
Well said. But I think there's a serious danger that by eliminating a lot of the visual icons, Gen X'ers will lose any semblance of affinity towards the movie. And, they (for the most part) make up the demographic that drives these movies.

The Hulk (which bore abosolutely no resemblance to The Hulk most of us grew up with- The Bill Bixby series- not even a nod) and Godzilla are perfect examples.

On the other hand, iconic respect hasn't helped Superman Returns much (to my surprise). So, I dunno.
Iconic visual representation is important, can't argue that.
But I also believe that the film makers aren't straying that far from what people will recognize...

Bumblebee is still Yellow and Black, with his helmet spike and a form of his horns. Prime is still a Semi Truck, long-nose or not. Jazz is still a sportscar (rumored to still be white). Starscream is still a Fighter Jet.

It just all depends on how the characters' personalities themselves, particularly the Autobots, are handled. Supposedly they'll still be the G1-based Autobots we all love, and as long as that stays in place and the characters interact well and feel like their G1 counterparts I believe it'll hold up.
 
Cliffyb wanted to develop a Transformers game but he didnt get the licence fo it... Pitty too because im sure it would rock.
 
Another instance of a fanboy over reacting. Atleast be more professional when addressing the issue. Coming from a professional game developer addresing an issue with a director, atleast be more mature about it.

Typical fanboy whimpering at its best.

I can relate to the complaints, but how can he be taken serious with that sort of letter.
 
CFlash said:
The Hulk (which bore abosolutely no resemblance to The Hulk most of us grew up with- The Bill Bixby series- not even a nod) and Godzilla are perfect examples.


which was a mistake on the film makers part because they were targeting the hard core Hulk Comics fans and not fans of the tv show. Which is why when making a film like this you have to reach many demographics. Fans of Transformers arent gonna make this movie any real money so lets lay that myth to rest. For Transformers to become a phenomenon it needs to grab as many people as possible. Spider-man didnt ride into the Box Office top ten because only the fan boys were seeing this movie...everyone was seeing Spider-man. You do a G1 Transformers and you leave out the kids who only know Beast Machines or any of the new incarnations. Kids arent stupid. My 6 year old nephew is a very big Godzilla fan. Loves everything Godzilla. Watches the movies and plays with the toys.....but he hates the Tristar movie because to him that wasnt Godzilla.
In the end a compromise had to be reached amongst all the various Transformer incarnations to produce this hybrid movie we are getting. Compromise isnt a happy thing...you have to give to get. Ask your self this....would I rather see a Transformers movie with a Optimus Prime as a long nose truck or no Transformers movie at all.
 
roach said:
you have to give to get. Ask your self this....would I rather see a Transformers movie with a Optimus Prime as a long nose truck or no Transformers movie at all.

You'd be surprised at how many people fall into the latter category. Browse a few external Transformer fan forums and you'll see a general dislike for the production thus far.
 
it must be Circuitbreaker....(Obscure Marvel TF reference)
 
nosebleed said:
You'd be surprised at how many people fall into the latter category. Browse a few external Transformer fan forums and you'll see a general dislike for the production thus far.


That is because most fanboys are also elitists.....they believe a certain product was made for them and them alone and any attempt to bring others into the fandom is considered a big no-no
 
CFlash said:
The Hulk (which bore abosolutely no resemblance to The Hulk most of us grew up with- The Bill Bixby series- not even a nod) and Godzilla are perfect examples.

But the TV series Hulk differed greatly from the comic book source material. It was a different take on a classic character. Where GINO failed for you, TV Hulk seemed to prosper. It's possible to deviate from popular established iconic source material and still come out with a creative, entertaining and noteworthy end product.

That's why I think it's way too soon to write this Transformers movie off. Believe me, if the movie is a pile of **** I'm going to come here and back you up on every one of your complaints about it. And I won't be doing an about face or anything, I'll simply have taken the time to see what we're being given before declaring it a failure.
 
Wow, someone give him a crown...the drama queen has arrived!
 
ragdus said:
But the TV series Hulk differed greatly from the comic book source material. It was a different take on a classic character. Where GINO failed for you, TV Hulk seemed to prosper. It's possible to deviate from popular established iconic source material and still come out with a creative, entertaining and noteworthy end product.

That's why I think it's way too soon to write this Transformers movie off. Believe me, if the movie is a pile of **** I'm going to come here and back you up on every one of your complaints about it. And I won't be doing an about face or anything, I'll simply have taken the time to see what we're being given before declaring it a failure.
Exactly...100% in agreement.

This movie covers so many different versions of TF's, that you have to compromise to reach everyone.
 
Transformers in Name Only?

Isn't it kind of early to determine that? If you don't like this fllick, fine and go ahead and rant. Be keep an open mind, people...
 
Octoberist said:
Transformers in Name Only?

Isn't it kind of early to determine that? If you don't like this fllick, fine and go ahead and rant. Be keep an open mind, people...


Thank you
 
Octoberist said:
Transformers in Name Only?

Isn't it kind of early to determine that? If you don't like this fllick, fine and go ahead and rant. Be keep an open mind, people...

I'm keeping an open mind definitely. But there are some concepts of this film that really have me concerned.

That Evens Stevens kid, Tyrese, and Bernie Mac is not my idea of how a Transformers movie should be. I understand Transformers did have humans with Spike and Daniel; but right now at this very moment, they seem to be focusing too much on the humans instead of the machines themselves.

All I can say is that I'll keep an open mind. This film could be great or it could be a big pile of steaming crap.
 
LastSunrise1981 said:
I understand Transformers did have humans with Spike and Daniel; but right now at this very moment, they seem to be focusing too much on the humans instead of the machines themselves.

How can you know how much focus they're putting on the robots? I'll guarantee you that right now, at this very moment, they have a sizable cgi staff working extremely hard on the robots. How do we determine which is getting more focus when by the very nature of this film you're not going to have big robots on set, where humans easily can be?
 
I mean, to say that Bay is raping anyone's childhood is just silly.

I have hope. I also have my concerns (Mostly with the character designs) but I'm giving Bay a fighting chance.
 
Yes. I am giving Bay the benefit of the doubt...I loved all of his previous films...I personally have no reason to doubt this one.
 
Lets look at it this way...I'm pretty sure it will NOT be as bad as Batman and Robin or CINO...
 

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