Gender myths, challenging the stereotype

[The Question]

When I was [BLACKOUT]circumcised at 26[/BLACKOUT] I was told that was as close to a man could get to feeling the pain of child birth. I passed out from the pain it was so intense. It came back a few times too. I'd just see white and wake up on the floor.

This is true. Most American notions of beauty and gender roles were once different, sometimes the opposite in other cultures and times. We sort of feminize or present fat people as weak and pitiful now, and that use to be a sign of success, prominence and masculinity.

A pretty simple but noteworthy example: Pink and Blue used to be assigned to the opposite genders. Pink was seen as possessing the "fire and passion of masculinity," while blue was seen as representing "cool, gentle femininity."

 

[Pink Ranger]

Gender stereotypes are great for men, though, because it sets the bar really, really low. If women see a man push a stroller down the street, they assume he's a terrific father just based on that. If a man can make a simple chicken stir fry, he's a great cook. It's awesome. t:

Scotland.

Also transvestites.

And Scottish transvestites.

 

[Doctor Evo]

Where in the hell did you hear that?? I don't think that should be considered a stereotype since most people in my experience as well as reports say that women actually do have a higher pain tolerance than men.

It's an implicit aspect of the masculinity stereotype.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

When I was [BLACKOUT]circumcised at 26[/BLACKOUT] I was told that was as close to a man could get to feeling the pain of child birth. I passed out from the pain it was so intense. It came back a few times too. I'd just see white and wake up on the floor.

I believe it, sounds excruciating.

 

[Lantern Venom]

I have almost no intrest in cars. As a guy its a stereotype that we all foam at the mouth at nice but I couldn't care less.

I just like my car gets me from A to B. What color, brand, engine, horsepower, ect doesn't mean jack to me.


j/k

I'm glad to hear from another guy who feels this way. As I've aged, my feelings towards all vehicles have morphed from ambivalence to hostility. They are a necessary evil in life, but I'm looking forward to a day (hopefully in retirement) when I'll never have to own a vehicle again.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

I'm glad to hear from another guy who feels this way. As I've aged, my feelings towards all vehicles have morphed from ambivalence to hostility. They are a necessary evil in life, but I'm looking forward to a day (hopefully in retirement) when I'll never have to own a vehicle again.

Same here. I get picked on for my car all the time. I just don't care bout cars at all. If one looks cool, great, but I'm not going to buy one and clean it every morning for the rest of my life.

 

[747]

Challenging the male stereotype ftw.

 

[Golgo-13]

Given the time, energy, stress and pain involved in reproduction for females, I'd say the simplest answer is incentive.

Makes sense.

 

[knowsbleed]

When I was [BLACKOUT]circumcised at 26[/BLACKOUT] I was told that was as close to a man could get to feeling the pain of child birth. I passed out from the pain it was so intense. It came back a few times too. I'd just see white and wake up on the floor.

I thought passing kidney stones was the closest a man could get to childbirth... but yeah, I'd never want to go through what you went through at that age.

 

[Golgo-13]

When I was [BLACKOUT]circumcised at 26[/BLACKOUT] I was told that was as close to a man could get to feeling the pain of child birth. I passed out from the pain it was so intense. It came back a few times too. I'd just see white and wake up on the floor.

Without anesthesia..?

 

[Piper Maru]

I'm glad to hear from another guy who feels this way. As I've aged, my feelings towards all vehicles have morphed from ambivalence to hostility. They are a necessary evil in life, but I'm looking forward to a day (hopefully in retirement) when I'll never have to own a vehicle again.

I thought I was the only one!

 

[The Guard]

I've seen Shrek the Musical. Which I did enjoy. Does that count?

Yup.

 

[the last son]

Yea, I can care less about a car. I barely know how to change a tire.

 

[Anita18]

Yea, I can care less about a car. I barely know how to change a tire.

They come with directions. I'm a woman and I've changed a tire. Just seemed like someone I should know how to do.

 

[Doctor Evo]

Just seemed like someone I should know how to do.

Pleased to meet you.

 

[Baramos]

I think it was telling that Spamalot was described as "the musical that will bring straight men back to Broadway!", though I'm sure it was tongue-in-cheek. The musical itself had a song called "You Won't Succeed On Broadway (If You Don't Have Any Jews)" and, of course, this number.

 

[The Question]

This was posted in the funny pics thread. I don't get this ****. I don't see any evidence that all women hate each other, I don't see how women are difficult to understand, and I certainly don't get what there is about women to understand that is inherently woman-ly that men don't get.

Basically, I don't see how women and men are all that different from each other.

 

[TheBat812]

Women definitely tend to start meaningless drama more frequently, which from an objective male point of view is incredibly frustrating. It's meant to be funny, not a psychoanalysis of the ways of women.


More seriously, women and men just think and operate differently. It's not that they CAN'T understand each other, but most of the time, we forget that that we do work differently, and therefore expect each other to read each other's minds. Biologically, men are much less emotionally open than women, so sometimes a women will kind of hint at a problem in a relationship, and the man hears it, but kind of ignores it and does nothing to fix it. From either side, there's a lack of understanding of how each other work, which can lead to communication breakdowns, resentment, etc. Not acknowledging that there is a difference is the first problem in most relationships, and being sensitive and aware of it is the best way to alleviate it.

 

[The Question]

Women definitely tend to start meaningless drama more frequently, which from an objective male point of view is incredibly frustrating. It's meant to be funny, not a psychoanalysis of the ways of women.


More seriously, women and men just think and operate differently. It's not that they CAN'T understand each other, but most of the time, we forget that that we do work differently, and therefore expect each other to read each other's minds. Biologically, men are much less emotionally open than women, so sometimes a women will kind of hint at a problem in a relationship, and the man hears it, but kind of ignores it and does nothing to fix it. From either side, there's a lack of understanding of how each other work, which can lead to communication breakdowns, resentment, etc. Not acknowledging that there is a difference is the first problem in most relationships, and being sensitive and aware of it is the best way to alleviate it.

What evidence do you have to back up this claim? Because that seems like another gender myth to me.

 

[Doctor Evo]

What evidence do you have to back up this claim? Because that seems like another gender myth to me.

I doubt there's a biological basis for it (I think he pulled that from his ass, frankly), but the trend in question may be very real as a result of social conditioning. I've noticed it in my own interactions with people. It doesn't hold true for everyone, of course.

I'm not so sure that it is a myth, honestly.

 

[The Question]

I doubt there's a biological basis for it (I think he pulled that from his ass, frankly), but the trend in question may be very real as a result of social conditioning. I've noticed it in my own interactions with people. It doesn't hold true for everyone, of course.

I'm not so sure that it is a myth, honestly.

I think it is. Men and women, on the whole, do think differently because of social conditioning. But when people say that they think differently, they mean that it's something inherent to both groups. That's the myth. When you understand that it's the result of crap roles society has built for people, then it can change and is no longer meaningful or relevant.

 

[Doctor Evo]

But when people say that they think differently, they mean that it's something inherent to both groups.

That's not necessarily true at all.

That's the myth. When you understand that it's the result of crap roles society has built for people, then it can change and is no longer meaningful or relevant.

That doesn't change the reality of the established behaviors and behavioral trends.

 

[The Question]

That doesn't change the reality of the established behaviors and behavioral trends.

But it changes their inherent value and how you approach them. Giving them too much credence reinforces them and keeps them going, and that is bad.

 

[Doctor Evo]

But it changes their inherent value and how you approach them. Giving them too much credence reinforces them and keeps them going, and that is bad.

You're missing the point. That doesn't make them myths.

Furthermore, I have to ask: why is that reinforcement necessarily bad?

 

[The Question]

You're missing the point. That doesn't make them myths.

Yeah, but that's getting into a semantic disagreement.

Furthermore, I have to ask: why is that reinforcement necessarily bad?

Because what these conditioned behavior patterns are is society limiting what kind of person someone can be. It's conditioning men to deaden their emotional sensitivity and it's conditioning women to be passive and emotionally weak. That's harmful, and even if it wasn't it's still unfair and unjust for society to tell someone that they can't be a certain way because of the shape of their genitals. Reinforcing these things is what leads to young men being bullied and tormented for crying and young women being mocked for having traditionally masculine traits or being called ****s simply for enjoying sex.

People should be allowed to be who they want to be as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. This social conditioning hinders that.