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The American people are greedy bastards, that's why we deserve it. I couldn't be happier about our crushed economy. We've become too dependent on the likes of the corrupt within our own country. We act as if we can't live without a rotten establishment like General Motors. A little suffering from our rich ass nation is needed, it's time for us to see what it's like NOT TO HAVE. :dry:

I agree:o
 
The American people are greedy bastards, that's why we deserve it. I couldn't be happier about our crushed economy. We've become too dependent on the likes of the corrupt within our own country. We act as if we can't live without a rotten establishment like General Motors. A little suffering from our rich ass nation is needed, it's time for us to see what it's like NOT TO HAVE. :dry:

You can't lump everyone together tho. I agree that it would be good for some ppl to learn to go without. However there are many that already go without, and are already hurting. I grew up poor, I'm doing good now, but I know what it's like to go without. I think about ppl in the same or worse situations as I was in growing up and wonder how they can keep their heads above water in worsening conditions.
 
You can't lump everyone together tho. I agree that it would be good for some ppl to learn to go without. However there are many that already go without, and are already hurting. I grew up poor, I'm doing good now, but I know what it's like to go without. I think about ppl in the same or worse situations as I was in growing up and wonder how they can keep their heads above water in worsening conditions.
Why do people have to "Do Without" if they earned it?
 
You people and your damn polls, and by CNN of all places.

And yes, most Americans are greedy bastards, materialistic indeed, but that's just a small part of America's true gluttony, it's "GREED" that we are knee-deep in. And now, that greed has come home to bite us on our asses, and I couldn't be more happy, it's time to learn our lesson. Now we're all crying and looking for answers, hopefully, those answer will come when we've lost everything. America needs tough love...that will soon knock some common-sense into its people. :o

Bit of a skewed perspective there. You've got the misdeeds of a select few coming back to bite everyone in the ass here. The middle class working individuals arent responsible for the decision making of the corporate leaders in this country, like GM who couldnt see the forest throguh the trees and adapt the types of vehicles they produced. Yet they'll get hardest of all since they dont have severance, golden parachutes, carry-over options, etc. Seems a bit callous to be happy about that.
 
voting for a canidate and voting for a law is two different things. voting for a canidate is indirect democracy and voting for a law is direct democracy. it takes too different approaches.

:huh:

It is pretty hypocritical to say "judging someones belief system based solely on their vote is pretty ignorant" when the same people do that to pick their friends and elect their public officials. That is my point. I don't know why you want to try and explain to me the difference between election and selection.

you are being ignorant. People's politcal views are based on what they believe in, not the canidate they vote for. I believe in gun control, but i supported someone who supports gun control because i agreed with his other issues. most voters dont agree 100% with the canidates unless they are idiots.

That's right and it also determines what their true alignment is. If you vote conservative more times than you do the progressive choice then you are a conservative. Saying that you are an independent is just a cop out to make yourself look like you need special attention.

so, buy your analysis? am i a democrat or a republican? kinda hard to tell by my voting record. what if someone votes half democrat and half republican? what are they?

I don't know how you vote, so I can't answer that question. What I do know is that you don't understand the ramifications of what would happen if we lose the automobile industry here in America.
 
Why do people have to "Do Without" if they earned it?

I'm not talking...bah, no matter what I say it's going to be taken out of context. I was just agreeing with him that it would be good for some ppl's characters to not be spoiled for once. Ppl have gotten so comfortable that they'll willingly give up freedom for comfort, and when faced with the smallest of adversities they freak out. Spoiled adults acting like spoiled children is what I mean.

I disagree with him however that the country should hurt to teach that lesson, and that was my point.
 
I'm not talking...bah, no matter what I say it's going to be taken out of context. I was just agreeing with him that it would be good for some ppl's characters to not be spoiled for once. Ppl have gotten so comfortable that they'll willingly give up freedom for comfort, and when faced with the smallest of adversities they freak out. Spoiled adults acting like spoiled children is what I mean.

I disagree with him however that the country should hurt to teach that lesson, and that was my point.

What does not kill us makes us stronger:o
 
I just saw on the news that Congress and the president are likely to pass an auto industry bailout package within the next day or so.

What a waste of money... imaginary money at that, too...
 
I'm not talking...bah, no matter what I say it's going to be taken out of context. I was just agreeing with him that it would be good for some ppl's characters to not be spoiled for once. Ppl have gotten so comfortable that they'll willingly give up freedom for comfort, and when faced with the smallest of adversities they freak out. Spoiled adults acting like spoiled children is what I mean.

I disagree with him however that the country should hurt to teach that lesson, and that was my point.

I can agree....well said CB
 
That's right and it also determines what their true alignment is. If you vote conservative more times than you do the progressive choice then you are a conservative. Saying that you are an independent is just a cop out to make yourself look like you need special attention.

This is ridiculous. If I voted conservative 51% of the time, that doesn't make me a conservative by definition. A political identity is shaped by one's own core principles and values-- this is introductory-level political science. While you are right to a degree that independents often lie about being "true independents," you are wrong to assume that there are no independents whatsoever. There are voters out there who dissect the issues and actually make a choice based on policy positions and leadership traits versus that candidate's political affiliation.

Also, there are more types of conservatism than the big bad evil conservatism you think every poster who disagrees with you embodies. There is fiscal conservatism, social conservatism, religious conservatism, libertarianism-- you are throwing the word "conservative" out there as if it is an automatic association with the Republican Party. It is not. There are conservative Democrats, most of whom are fiscal conservatives.

Reading your posts over the past two pages has made me embarrassed of the liberal left.

I don't know how you vote, so I can't answer that question. What I do know is that you don't understand the ramifications of what would happen if we lose the automobile industry here in America.

Sweet Jesus, you're still using this line?

The American automobile industry will die out regardless of whether or not we pour billions of dollars into their wallets, from the imaginary money reserves we seem to be dealing from these days. NO AMOUNT OF MONEY will be able to fix the CORE REASON why this industry is failing: Poor business strategies and an overall lack of innovation. It will take YEARS for American automobile manufacturers to reverse their practices and POSSIBLY (not definitely, not certainly, but POSSIBLY) rebound from the economic woes they are facing.

I mean, when are we going to face reality? The American automobile industry is outdated and is likely to fail regardless of whether we bail them out or not. For every innovative vehicle we introduce (the Chevy Volt, the Ford Fusion Hybrid, the Dodge Durango Hybrid which gets an ever-efficient 19 miles per gallon :whatever:), foreign manufactures have twice the innovative vehicles planned in the coming years. The American automobile industry will never be able to fix all of its problems over night. Meanwhile, they are going to experience even more economic woes in the years ahead, and what are they going to do then? Ask for more bailouts?

That's the reality of the situation: If we give them billions of dollars today, what's to stop them from asking for more bailout packages in the months and years ahead?

"Our sales projections are low, we need more money!"

"We didn't fix our business models in time, so we need more money!"

This is just an awful fiscal policy which is bound to backfire right in the government's face. And the fact that Obama seems to support this package shows me that his naivety and inexperience is already seeping into his presidency-- and he isn't even president yet.

Wonderful.
 
this is ridiculous. If i voted conservative 51% of the time, that doesn't make me a conservative by definition. A political identity is shaped by one's own core principles and values-- this is introductory-level political science. While you are right to a degree that independents often lie about being "true independents," you are wrong to assume that there are no independents whatsoever. There are voters out there who dissect the issues and actually make a choice based on policy positions and leadership traits versus that candidate's political affiliation.

Also, there are more types of conservatism than the big bad evil conservatism you think every poster who disagrees with you embodies. There is fiscal conservatism, social conservatism, religious conservatism, libertarianism-- you are throwing the word "conservative" out there as if it is an automatic association with the republican party. It is not. There are conservative democrats, most of whom are fiscal conservatives.

Reading your posts over the past two pages has made me embarrassed of the liberal left.



Sweet jesus, you're still using this line?

The american automobile industry will die out regardless of whether or not we pour billions of dollars into their wallets, from the imaginary money reserves we seem to be dealing from these days. No amount of money will be able to fix the core reason why this industry is failing: Poor business strategies and an overall lack of innovation. It will take years for american automobile manufacturers to reverse their practices and possibly (not definitely, not certainly, but possibly) rebound from the economic woes they are facing.

I mean, when are we going to face reality? The american automobile industry is outdated and is likely to fail regardless of whether we bail them out or not. For every innovative vehicle we introduce (the chevy volt, the ford fusion hybrid, the dodge durango hybrid which gets an ever-efficient 19 miles per gallon :whatever:), foreign manufactures have twice the innovative vehicles planned in the coming years. The american automobile industry will never be able to fix all of its problems over night. Meanwhile, they are going to experience even more economic woes in the years ahead, and what are they going to do then? Ask for more bailouts?

That's the reality of the situation: If we give them billions of dollars today, what's to stop them from asking for more bailout packages in the months and years ahead?

"our sales projections are low, we need more money!"

"we didn't fix our business models in time, so we need more money!"

this is just an awful fiscal policy which is bound to backfire right in the government's face. And the fact that obama seems to support this package shows me that his naivety and inexperience is already seeping into his presidency-- and he isn't even president yet.

Wonderful.

:up:
 
This is ridiculous. If I voted conservative 51% of the time, that doesn't make me a conservative by definition. A political identity is shaped by one's own core principles and values-- this is introductory-level political science. While you are right to a degree that independents often lie about being "true independents," you are wrong to assume that there are no independents whatsoever. There are voters out there who dissect the issues and actually make a choice based on policy positions and leadership traits versus that candidate's political affiliation.

Also, there are more types of conservatism than the big bad evil conservatism you think every poster who disagrees with you embodies. There is fiscal conservatism, social conservatism, religious conservatism, libertarianism-- you are throwing the word "conservative" out there as if it is an automatic association with the Republican Party. It is not. There are conservative Democrats, most of whom are fiscal conservatives.

Reading your posts over the past two pages has made me embarrassed of the liberal left.



Sweet Jesus, you're still using this line?

The American automobile industry will die out regardless of whether or not we pour billions of dollars into their wallets, from the imaginary money reserves we seem to be dealing from these days. NO AMOUNT OF MONEY will be able to fix the CORE REASON why this industry is failing: Poor business strategies and an overall lack of innovation. It will take YEARS for American automobile manufacturers to reverse their practices and POSSIBLY (not definitely, not certainly, but POSSIBLY) rebound from the economic woes they are facing.

I mean, when are we going to face reality? The American automobile industry is outdated and is likely to fail regardless of whether we bail them out or not. For every innovative vehicle we introduce (the Chevy Volt, the Ford Fusion Hybrid, the Dodge Durango Hybrid which gets an ever-efficient 19 miles per gallon :whatever:), foreign manufactures have twice the innovative vehicles planned in the coming years. The American automobile industry will never be able to fix all of its problems over night. Meanwhile, they are going to experience even more economic woes in the years ahead, and what are they going to do then? Ask for more bailouts?

That's the reality of the situation: If we give them billions of dollars today, what's to stop them from asking for more bailout packages in the months and years ahead?

"Our sales projections are low, we need more money!"

"We didn't fix our business models in time, so we need more money!"

This is just an awful fiscal policy which is bound to backfire right in the government's face. And the fact that Obama seems to support this package shows me that his naivety and inexperience is already seeping into his presidency-- and he isn't even president yet.

Wonderful.

Jman my friend, I'm thinking we are looking at a lost cause. He has his opinion, doesn't read posts throughly, and simply repeats what he believes.....he isn't going to change.

And damn, I think you vote conservative more than I do.....lol
 
and also lots of bias....dnno even said he has family in the unions that work at GM (I think) so of course he wants to believe that things will get better
 
Bit of a skewed perspective there. You've got the misdeeds of a select few coming back to bite everyone in the ass here. The middle class working individuals arent responsible for the decision making of the corporate leaders in this country, like GM who couldnt see the forest throguh the trees and adapt the types of vehicles they produced. Yet they'll get hardest of all since they dont have severance, golden parachutes, carry-over options, etc. Seems a bit callous to be happy about that.
You can't lump everyone together tho. I agree that it would be good for some ppl to learn to go without. However there are many that already go without, and are already hurting. I grew up poor, I'm doing good now, but I know what it's like to go without. I think about ppl in the same or worse situations as I was in growing up and wonder how they can keep their heads above water in worsening conditions.
So, what's your point, I'm still poor, and I don't mind hurting as long as those responsible suffer too? Sometimes, you can't hand pick those who are responsible. And it's a fact that we are a greedy nation as a whole, thus is why we should be lumped together.

We cry over paying a few more dollars for gas, when there are people drinking sewer water half a world away. While we have free water, we're so rich, that we want to actually pay for our water--which is free and clean.

I personally think that Americans need to suffer together more. Stop talking about feeling someone else's pain, and actually live though their pain. I don't need a MoFo telling me that he can feel my pain, as his retreats to his million dollar+ mansion.
it is not a matter of greed. it is a matter of ignorance. people don't know how to manage money, so they mess it up. no one was selfish and was out to hurt people. most americans are good people. they just cant manage a checkbook
This sounds like tainted Jesus talk, most people are good and loving and kind, and thou shall only cast a few to Hell, please. They know exactly how to manage money, that's why they themselves have fat ass bank accounts. They don't screw themselves, they screw you.
 
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I didn't I made a joke in the Community Feedback thread....I said I sometime use Lazlo Sugarpants as an alias to keep the paparazzi away...and now people are messing around
 
I have no idea why he changed his name. I don't trust "alias users"
 
well Kel...I read somewhere you use the alias 'Anastasia Beaverhausen' sometime
 
Jman my friend, I'm thinking we are looking at a lost cause. He has his opinion, doesn't read posts throughly, and simply repeats what he believes.....he isn't going to change.

And damn, I think you vote conservative more than I do.....lol
Understatement :funny:
 
So, what's your point, I'm still poor, and I don't mind hurting as long as those responsible suffer too? Sometimes, you can't hand pick those who are responsible. And it's a fact that we are a greedy nation as a whole, thus is why we should be lumped together.

We cry over paying a few more dollars for gas, when there are people drinking sewer water half a world away. While we have free water, we're so rich, that we want to actually pay for our water--which is free and clean.

I personally think that Americans need to suffer together more. Stop talking about feeling someone else's pain, and actually live though their pain. I don't need a MoFo telling me that he can feel my pain, as his retreats to his million dollar+ mansion.
This sounds like tainted Jesus talk, most people are good and loving and kind, and thou shall only cast a few to Hell, please. They know exactly how to manage money, that's why they themselves have fat ass bank accounts. They don't screw themselves, they screw you.
I pay for my water. I get a bill every month for water, how do you get water for free? :huh:
 
I pay for my water. I get a bill every month for water, how do you get water for free? :huh:

Sometimes apartments and other residences include utilities in the monthly rent, so maybe he doesn't notice that he actually pays for his water use...
 
This sounds like tainted Jesus talk, most people are good and loving and kind, and thou shall only cast a few to Hell, please. They know exactly how to manage money, that's why they themselves have fat ass bank accounts. They don't screw themselves, they screw you.

all the people who lost their home and had them forclosed know how to manage money :confused:
 
I think a few of those people were probably in not the best financial position to buy a home got a loan anyway (due to specific factors) and then couldn't keep up with the payments...
 
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