this is ridiculous. If i voted conservative 51% of the time, that doesn't make me a conservative by definition. A political identity is shaped by one's own core principles and values-- this is introductory-level political science. While you are right to a degree that independents often lie about being "true independents," you are wrong to assume that there are no independents whatsoever. There are voters out there who dissect the issues and actually make a choice based on policy positions and leadership traits versus that candidate's political affiliation.
Also, there are more types of conservatism than the big bad evil conservatism you think every poster who disagrees with you embodies. There is fiscal conservatism, social conservatism, religious conservatism, libertarianism-- you are throwing the word "conservative" out there as if it is an automatic association with the republican party. It is not. There are conservative democrats, most of whom are fiscal conservatives.
Reading your posts over the past two pages has made me embarrassed of the liberal left.
Sweet jesus, you're still using this line?
The american automobile industry will die out regardless of whether or not we pour billions of dollars into their wallets, from the imaginary money reserves we seem to be dealing from these days. No amount of money will be able to fix the core reason why this industry is failing: Poor business strategies and an overall lack of innovation. It will take years for american automobile manufacturers to reverse their practices and possibly (not definitely, not certainly, but possibly) rebound from the economic woes they are facing.
I mean, when are we going to face reality? The american automobile industry is outdated and is likely to fail regardless of whether we bail them out or not. For every innovative vehicle we introduce (the chevy volt, the ford fusion hybrid, the dodge durango hybrid which gets an ever-efficient 19 miles per gallon

), foreign manufactures have twice the innovative vehicles planned in the coming years. The american automobile industry will never be able to fix all of its problems over night. Meanwhile, they are going to experience even more economic woes in the years ahead, and what are they going to do then? Ask for more bailouts?
That's the reality of the situation: If we give them billions of dollars today, what's to stop them from asking for more bailout packages in the months and years ahead?
"our sales projections are low, we need more money!"
"we didn't fix our business models in time, so we need more money!"
this is just an awful fiscal policy which is bound to backfire right in the government's face. And the fact that obama seems to support this package shows me that his naivety and inexperience is already seeping into his presidency-- and he isn't even president yet.
Wonderful.