The Force Awakens George Lucas Appreciation Thread

[Gianakin_]

I saw it, but it just left no impact whatsoever on me. It was just one of those movies for me where I saw it...and that's about it. I don't recall hating it, but I don't recall liking it, I just...recall it existing.

...aka Joss Whedon's career.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah I get that, but Joss is no James Gunn. They're just really old friends. Gunn couldn't give us one good female character to save his life. Whedon gave us one of the greatest female characters in all of pop culture history. Not the same.

So being old friends means you stick up for stuff like that? I say this as someone who love GotG, but that crap went beyond.

And while Whedon gave us Buffy and Willow, he also gave us Black Widow in AoU. So he isn't completely clean.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

...aka Joss Whedon's career.

He gave the world Buffy Summers, Willow Rosenberg, Rupert Giles and William the Bloody. He more then left his mark.

 

[flickchick85]

So being old friends means you stick up for stuff like that? I say this as someone who love GotG, but that crap went beyond.

Many of us are somewhat blind when it comes to our friends.

And while Whedon gave us Buffy and Willow, he also gave us Black Widow in AoU. So he isn't completely clean.

I didn't say every female character was golden, lol. But he's also the first one to make Black Widow an actual character at all in TA after her being a non-entity in IM2.

 

[dude stannis]

1. ROTS
2. AOTC
3. The Avengers
4. Jurassic World/TPM
5. Age of Ultron.

I absolutely couldn't stand Age of Ultron. The whole movie is a continuous circle of;

A. Introduce Situation
B. Build tension
C. Resolve with joke and/or pun

The Star Wars Prequels where a melding of WWII, Ancient Rome and scripture, through a sci-fi fantasy filter. No matter your perception of those films, there was a sense of effort.

 

[Gianakin_]

I find it hilarious that Joss criticized Trevorrow for Bryce's character in JW right before he released a movie where not able to have kids = monster analogy, just to give Widow a line to use to get Banner to f**k her.

 

[Gianakin_]

1. ROTS
2. AOTC
3. The Avengers
4. Jurassic World/TPM
5. Age of Ultron.

I absolutely couldn't stand Age of Ultron. The whole movie is a continuous circle of;

A. Introduce Situation
B. Build tension
C. Resolve with joke and/or pun

The Star Wars Prequels where a melding of WWII, Ancient Rome and scripture, through a sci-fi fantasy filter. No matter your perception of those films, there was a sense of effort.

F**k off, TPM > JW.

 

[flickchick85]

I find it hilarious that Joss criticized Trevorrow for Bryce's character in JW right before he released a movie where not able to have kids = monster analogy, just to give Widow a line to use to get Banner to f**k her.

That was not the analogy he was making. The "monster" part came from "it made it easier to kill." As in, she thought she was a monster because she was a killer with a weak excuse.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

1. ROTS
2. AOTC
3. The Avengers
4. Jurassic World/TPM
5. Age of Ultron.

I absolutely couldn't stand Age of Ultron. The whole movie is a continuous circle of;

A. Introduce Situation
B. Build tension
C. Resolve with joke and/or pun

The Star Wars Prequels where a melding of WWII, Ancient Rome and scripture, through a sci-fi fantasy filter. No matter your perception of those films, there was a sense of effort.

I get no sense of effort with the prequels, outside of Ewan, which is exactly why Lucas forgot some of the stuff laid out in the OT.

AotC is legitimately one of the worst films I have ever seen, and it has only got worse with age. AoU has some legit set pieces and enjoyable dialogue imo. It also has Ultron being hilarious.

 

[dude stannis]

F**k off, TPM > JW.

I felt TPM was treading water. At the very least if JW leads to much better sequels it did a better job of setting up the state of the world. That said TPM was more well directed and the CGI was superior.

 

[Roose Bolton]

F**k off, TPM > JW.

Yeah TPM is at the very least a good looking film. JW looked like crap

 

[Snow Queen]

That was not the analogy he was making. The "monster" part came from "it made it easier to kill." As in, she thought she was a monster because she was a killer with a weak excuse.

Yeah, that part's not something I'll harp on him for. It's clear what his intent was, however how he wrote it could have used a little more thought as "I can't have kids" and "You're not the only monster on the team" were right next to each other. There were bigger problems with that film and even just that character, hello out of nowhere nonsensical romance.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That was not the analogy he was making. The "monster" part came from "it made it easier to kill." As in, she thought she was a monster because she was a killer with a weak excuse.

Joss must have written that scene high on some cough syrup, because it is a mess. Her whole story is a mess really. Which sucks, because she was written beautifully in TWS. You bring up TA, but for me it was TWS that made her a real character. The only "character" that benefits from TA for me is Banner. The rest are caricatures.

 

[Gianakin_]

That was not the analogy he was making. The "monster" part came from "it made it easier to kill." As in, she thought she was a monster because she was a killer with a weak excuse.

Same difference, when it all boils down to it. In fact, it sounds even more insulting.

 

[flickchick85]

Yeah, that part's not something I'll harp on him for. It's clear what his intent was, however how he wrote it could have used a little more thought as "I can't have kids" and "You're not the only monster on the team" were right next to each other. There were bigger problems with that film and even just that character, hello out of nowhere nonsensical romance.

Yeah I like Joss but I'm not gonna sit here and pretend he's perfect either. The Natasha/Bruce romance was something I liked in concept when I first heard about it, but the execution sucked.

Same difference, when it all boils down to it. In fact, it sounds even more insulting.

To each their own. As a woman, I don't find it remotely insulting. She WAS a monster. She just found her way back to humanity.

 

[Gianakin_]

Yeah TPM is at the very least a good looking film. JW looked like crap

Green crap.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Same difference, when it all boils down to it. In fact, it sounds even more insulting.

That is not the same difference, at all.

 

[Snow Queen]

Yeah I like Joss but I'm not gonna sit here and pretend he's perfect either. The Natasha/Bruce romance was something I liked in concept when I first heard about it, but the execution sucked.

Apart from the execution, the fact he's graduating high school before she's even born is a little too much of an age gap for me.

 

[Gianakin_]

Which sucks, because she was written beautifully in TWS.

100% true.

The only "character" that benefits from TA for me is Banner. The rest are caricatures.

He rectified it by giving him the shaft in AoU.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Not one person in this thread with a straight face, can tell me that JW looks worse then AotC, which looks shot on a ****ing iPhone, and is so bad, the blu ray release looks like someone waxed it.

And I dislike the look of JW for the most part, but the night scenes are quite nice imo.

 

[Gianakin_]

Apart from the execution, the fact he's graduating high school before she's even born is a little too little of an age gap for me.

Fix'd.

 

[Gianakin_]

To each their own. As a woman, I don't find it remotely insulting. She WAS a monster. She just found her way back to humanity.

I probably found it insulting cos he's waving the feminism banner around too much. He's not Goyer/Snyder, but I don't think he's doing much on that front, either.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Apart from the execution, the fact he's graduating high school before she's even born is a little too much of an age gap for me.

People can fall in love 20 years apart Snow, it is okay.

 

[flickchick85]

Apart from the execution, the fact he's graduating high school before she's even born is a little too much of an age gap for me.

I'd never even thought about that. Fair point.

 

[Gianakin_]

Not one person in this thread with a straight face, can tell me that JW looks worse then AotC, which looks shot on a ****ing iPhone, and is so bad, the blu ray release looks like someone waxed it. .

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