Ghost Rider IS Being Screened

[matrix_ghost]

You can't really use Norbit as an example here because many people ( including me) would want to see Norbit based on the following things

1 It's a return to the comedy scenes that Eddie Murphy pulled off incredibly well in Nutty Professr
2 Eddie Murphy is funny , except when making crap like I,SPY.
He's a damn good actor wen doing impressions.
3 The trailer was hilarious.


Those 3 things IMO are enough for me at least to watch the movie. I know it's not going to be great. But really do i care. It's funny. It may not be everyone's cup of tea but to alot of people it's funny.

The thing with Ghost Rider is that it's the first of it's kind.
Aside from National Treasure , this is Cage's biggest movie .
Reviews to matter here because bad buzz from critics can cause damage.
What annoys me is that reviewers take things personally. I understand that they want to see movies and do feel cheated when studios delay their movies till the last moment. HOwever like Cops or Doctors , reviewers should always put their personal feelings aside and judge the movie that is in front of them. Not the one that they hate going too.

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ Sure you can use Norbit as an example only because it shows there are still lots of moviegoers out there in February and it had horrible ratings and still did well. People want to see Eddie Murphy as a fat lady cause it's funny and people want to see Ghost Rider and his hellcycle cause it's cool.

 

[matrix_ghost]

Sure you can use Norbit as an example only because it shows there are still lots of moviegoers out there in February and it had horrible ratings and still did well. People want to see Eddie Murphy as a fat lady cause it's funny and people want to see Ghost Rider and his hellcycle cause it's cool.

This i agree with. Feburary & March are slowly becoming profitable release dates for movies which don't quite fit in the summer period and/or are risky projects .
Examples :
300
Constantine
V for Vendetta

 

[Tempest19]

/\ And you can soon add GR to the mix.

 

[matrix_ghost]

I have a feeling it'll do well.
Not huge numbers ( although i'm hoping for that) but i think a 120-150 mark domestic can be achieved .
Shame that it was finished so late though. Had it been released in IMAX , they could've added an extra million or so seems movies in IMAX do see to have strong hold overs.

 

[superion]

Norbit may have made $33 to $34 million this weekend but it will almost certainly take a big drop next weekend. GR with its $120 million budget will need to make much more than that its opening weekend and it will need stronger legs as well and getting hammered by critics won't help.

This movie has a oscar winning actor and decent director so I don't understand what Sony is so afraid of.

 

[matrix_ghost]

Norbit may have made $33 to $34 million this weekend but it will almost certainly take a big drop next weekend. GR with its $120 million budget will need to make much more than that its opening weekend and it will need stronger legs as well and getting hammered by critics won't help.

This movie has a oscar winning actor and decent director so I don't understand what Sony is so afraid of.

That isn't a guarentee.
Gothika , Catwoman , Aeon Flux to name certain movies

Not only that , but there is another movie by Sony that got hammered by critics as well as alot of the general audience. It still made $$ but the general consensus was that it just wasn't a good movie.
The name of that movie :

Da Vinci Code

Which had
Tom Hanks -> 2 time OScar Winner
Audrey Tatou -> higly respected actress , especially after Amelie & A very long engagement
Ian McKellen -> two Oscar nom. as well as famed for his roles in LOTR and X-men
Paul Bettany -> critically acclaimed for his role in MAter & Commander
Jean Reno -> Everybody knows Jean Reno.
Alfred Molina -> Ditto as Reno and he also was known to many as Doc Ock

Directing by Ron Howard -> two time academy winner.

While DVC made money and lots of it , it got a very poor response from critics and fans alike. Many people also watched DVC to see what the big fuss was all about and even they went away saying the movie wasn't good.

 

[Advanced Dark]

That isn't a guarentee.
Gothika , Catwoman , Aeon Flux .

3 movies with female leads and none on the same level as Ghost Rider or near the same size target audience.

Now look at all Marvel movies with budgets over 100 million and see their box office. Compare apples to apples.

 

[matrix_ghost]

3 movies with female leads and none on the same level as Ghost Rider or near the same size target audience.

Now look at all Marvel movies with budgets over 100 million and see their box office. Compare apples to apples.

It wasn't that AD. It was the fact that superion said that it GR had a Oscar winning star to which i pointed out that having a Oscar winner doesn't automatically mean $$$.
May i also remind people of The Interpreter.
Released in ; 05 , starring Kidman & Penn who both won Oscars ( kidman in '03 and Penn in '04). Yet is still bombed.

Also last time i checked The Others was a massive hit with it's female lead....

 

[shinobi89]

3 movies with female leads and none on the same level as Ghost Rider or near the same size target audience.

Now look at all Marvel movies with budgets over 100 million and see their box office. Compare apples to apples.

So what's the target audience for Ghost Rider?

 

[Tempest19]

Just a warning IMDB boards are filled with ignorant 'haters', most of which act like children.

 

[Tempest19]

Female heroes aren't that popular among guys. I know I don't like the female superheroes that much, I'm not sexist- but there's just something off and the difference is great, although it's just minor changes.

So, Advanced Dark is right. There is a difference between male heroes and female heroes to screen.... for instance, we're taken on the woman's "I like him, but I'm a hero" other than the guys "I liike her, but I'm a hero." Just a small difference- but, Elektra Catwoman, etc. are more like chick flicks with action in them. While the guy hero films are more action with some romance in them.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

I think it's naive to think that a vast majority don't read reviews, or at least haven't heard about a movie's positive or negative press ahead of its release.

I agree that they'll ask their friends, and every person will at least tell two people of their experience of the movie, but I disagree that people really look into movie reviews for their choice in watching a movie. Bad press on TV might hurt it, but internet? I doubt it. If their friends agree to watch a movie, their gonna see it.

Hell, if you ask the average joe, the only movie critic they could name is Ebert....doubt even one would know who the hell CHUD is, or whatever some of these other movie review websites are.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

The thing with Ghost Rider is that it's the first of it's kind.
Aside from National Treasure , this is Cage's biggest movie .
Reviews to matter here because bad buzz from critics can cause damage.
What annoys me is that reviewers take things personally. I understand that they want to see movies and do feel cheated when studios delay their movies till the last moment. HOwever like Cops or Doctors , reviewers should always put their personal feelings aside and judge the movie that is in front of them. Not the one that they hate going too.

I agree. I will take it one step further and say lots of critics are condescending as hell.

 

[zanos]

Indeed it is.
It's no secret that Sony pushed back Ghost Rider when they saw the schedule of Summer '06.
Some people would argue that Sony didn't have faith. I don't .

Not only that but the flames just weren't coming along well.
Fire VFX are a notoriously difficult thing to recreate in CGI.
Alongside water and CG humans , it's one of the holy grails in VFX.
For GR they needed to have realistically moving flames. Not the quick shots that you have with explosions or the flames that are covered with smoke. Realistic moving flames.
And the VFX shots looked like this :

It's really not that great and they had to start from scratch , developing new programs for the flames etc. In the end they got it right , but it still takes a long time to create the VFX.

That's the official reason behind the delay.
Now if you're going to believe rumors , then by all means do.
In the end neither you nor me knows what really happened but IMO everyone , including you and me, should be open minded about stuff and look at the facts.

If you've been following GHost Rider , you'll see that as time passed the VFX just got better and better with the first proper shots of the flames appearing somewhere around Oct. '06

Why else would you push a film back from a Summer release to Febuary of the next year? Now in hindsight that is precisely why they didn't release it since they won't even let critics review it. Sony executives aren't going to delay a film because the director doesn't think the flames look "cool" enough. lol. My god use some judgement.

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ Tell us why you voted on the poll Zanos...then we'll humor you with discussion regarding the film you haven't seen.

 

[BURNFOREVER]

First of all, i´d like to congratulate you, AD, for all these thread fights against those "critics". It´s really brave and passionate.
Second: screw them all!
Screw shinobi´s and all the others opinions.
Of course they had all the rights to express themselves, but, what the hell! Their critics are NOTHING. Doesn´t matter, doesn´t count, let´s forget. We are nerds from Hell. We are GRMANIACS! That´s all that matters!
The day is coming. My dream finally come true.
Do you think i will waste my brain on some stupid guy who register a forum just to bash a movie? NO!
Screw them!
There must be a High School Musical or a Barbie thread somewhere.
They could be happy there.
GR4EVR!!!

 

[matrix_ghost]

Why else would you push a film back from a Summer release to Febuary of the next year? Now in hindsight that is precisely why they didn't release it since they won't even let critics review it. Sony executives aren't going to delay a film because the director doesn't think the flames look "cool" enough. lol. My god use some judgement.

~sigh~

I wrote :

Not only that but the flames just weren't coming along well.
Fire VFX are a notoriously difficult thing to recreate in CGI.
Alongside water and CG humans , it's one of the holy grails in VFX.
For GR they needed to have realistically moving flames.

It's not just a question of flames looking cool enough. It's a question of the flames not looking realistic enough. Why the heck would anyone release a movie of character who's skull is on fire if the flames look half assed ?

This is the screenshot of the teaser trailer of ghost rider :

Compare that flames now :

See the difference ?
Btw that teaser trailer of Ghost Rider was released in May '06 , which just goes to show you that those the type of fire VFX that you'd get if the movie was released in the summer.

The flames weren't what they expected , so they had to start over.

http://www.aintitcool.com/?q=node/30673

The year-long delay from the original release date was due to having to re-work the fire effects. They created an entirely new program to render realistic cg fire and after seeing the finished result they realized that real fire isn't that visually interesting and dynamic. They ended up having to go back and re-create the effects shot for shot for dramatic effect. They will be finalizing the visual effects until the end of January.

He stated that approx 30 million of the budget has gone purely to visual effects.

http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_d4j_ezine&task=read&page=1&category=1&article=845&Itemid=28

Q: Going back to Ghost Rider, was there a higher stress level than you thought doing a movie about a flaming skull? Fire is very tough to do CG, did you go in going, ah CG's ready for this, I can do this now.

MSJ: CG fire, yes I thought it would be easier, we all did. Literally, we come out February 16th, we were supposed to come out August. Literally, there will be effects being delivered up until the end of January, January 30th. Because we had to write new programs, because fire's ****ing tricky man, it's like, if you look at fire, and then you move it you put it on film, 24 frames per second...changes everything. It looks really flickering and light and not strong so you add liquid to it to make it look smoother and feel stronger and what not.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Well according to the reviews, they've done a damn good job. The wait was well worth it.

 

[YJ1]

I've never seen this much media bias towards a film before.

 

[shinobi89]

First of all, i´d like to congratulate you, AD, for all these thread fights against those "critics". It´s really brave and passionate.
Second: screw them all!
Screw shinobi´s and all the others opinions.
Of course they had all the rights to express themselves, but, what the hell! Their critics are NOTHING. Doesn´t matter, doesn´t count, let´s forget. We are nerds from Hell. We are GRMANIACS! That´s all that matters!
The day is coming. My dream finally come true.
Do you think i will waste my brain on some stupid guy who register a forum just to bash a movie? NO!
Screw them!
There must be a High School Musical or a Barbie thread somewhere.
They could be happy there.
GR4EVR!!!

I couldn't find the Barbie thread.

As far as the fire effects, if they delayed the film because of that, it was worth the delay since the Ghost Rider himself looks incredible on screen.

 

[YJ1]

Just a warning IMDB boards are filled with ignorant 'haters', most of which act like children.

Idiots on the boards are one thing but who the hell is writing "The Buzz" on the title page for each film?

THE BUZZ: Come on now, at the development stage, shouldn't this project have been shelved when someone asked: How are we going to render Johnny Blaze's flaming skull, hands, and motorcyle? When Marvel Studios CEO Avi Arad announced that any number of his company's characters were going to have their own films, he wasn't kidding. Like Sub-Mariner, Nick Fury, and a host of others, Ghost Rider is a second tier Marvel character (at best), and certainly not a guaranteed hit. Having Daredevil director Mark Steven Johnson aboard isn't necessarily an asset, either. And let's not forget how frosty Cage's been of late, a sad fact reflected in Sony's decision to push the film from July of 2006 to the dead of winter 2007. It was the first high-profile 2006 release to be treated so coldly. Check out how co-star Eva Mendes tried to obscure the movie's suckage.


Message Boards: Ghost Rider Sucks | Why Nicolas Cage ??

Suckage? Not much bias there eh?

 

[zer00]

I posted.

you should post again

They've insulted GR in about every ****ing post today. It is funny though when you're aware they have no idea what they're talking about. To think a Google search could make them not look like idiots.

 

[Tempest19]

I just went on there and found a poster who is obviously a fake that it's just down right hilarious! I baited him and his stupidity gave him away...

The idiot actually stated Scarecrow- the villain from the game- is one of the hencemen!!! That's when I knew I got him pegged and worked from there. Total ownage. Lol.

I'm Wolverine5339...

IMDB idiot

You guys can have some fun with this guy if you want. Lol.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Idiots on the boards are one thing but who the hell is writing "The Buzz" on the title page for each film?



Suckage? Not much bias there eh?

IMDB main page. Wow from the most reliable source on the net LOL. Yeah Nic Cage's National Treasure and World Trade center sucked huh?