Glee

[Schlosser85]

I don't take anything Murphy says as gospel considering how many times he's contradicted himself or said things would happen that didn't happen.

 

[JP]

Best. Christmas episode. EVER.

 

[ALP]

I think Blaine/Kurt is just a little too obvious to happen if that makes any sense lol

I don't think he will be the one! Yknow....

Btw, is Ryan Murphy the main writer on this show? Sorry I rarely pay attention to the credits when they are over the actors.

 

[Matt]

Best. Christmas episode. EVER.

ROBOT SANTA DISAGREES!!

But yeah, solid episode. Best Glee episode of the season, IMO. Though Kurt and Blaine's scene didn't really fit with the rest of the episode and just seemed like a way to say, "Hey! Kurt's still around!"

 

[Sawyer]

ROBOT SANTA DISAGREES!!

But yeah, solid episode. Best Glee episode of the season, IMO. Though Kurt and Blaine's scene didn't really fit with the rest of the episode and just seemed like a way to say, "Hey! Kurt's still around!"

Oh definitely, but it also gave us one of the best songs of the episode, so I cant complain too much about that.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

My point is... you have the opinion you just shared NOT because of what you see on screen, but because of what you think you know is going on in Ryan Murphy's head. That's kinda stupid.

Look. I'm a writer. Not an actual paid one, sure, but I look at everything from a writer's perspective and writer's don't just take things like that and throw darts at a wall. Sometimes it seems like they do, but running a TV show and writing one is a delicate complex process and nothing changes from say Glee to something more complex like Lost.

Every show is planned from the starting point of the season to an end point of the season. Things can change as you get from point A to point B sure. But major things rarely ever change. It takes far too much complex work to do that. It's probably why the back 9 felt weaker to the front 13 last season. They listened to people too much and changed their show on the drop of the dime because everyone was sick of the pregnancy drama.

Ryan Murphy says alot of things sure and he contradicts himself alot, but that's because he tries to keep his show from spilling out into the media because of the great demand of it. He may say something like ''I take things script by script.", but it only takes knowing how a show runs to know that's bullcrap. The show would be a huge mess and every episode would feel disjointed from the other.

People haven't noticed it, but there's been a TON of parallels between every episode of season 1 and it's conjoining episode in season 2. Things in Kurt's storyline are starting to line up with Rachel/Finn/Quinn's from last season. Writing is a deep complex art that is beautiful and even more so when you write something that last for 22 to 25 episodes a year. So when Ryan Murphy says ''Yeah, nothing is written yet." It's just him playing trickster with his audience. He knows where his show is going.

 

[Sawyer]

I'm feeling very tempted to change my avvy to Sue Grinch....

 

[JP]

Oh definitely, but it also gave us one of the best songs of the episode, so I cant complain too much about that.

Yeah, I agree. I think BICO was one of the episodes best numbers. But it was so out of place. :/

 

[Matt]

Oh definitely, but it also gave us one of the best songs of the episode, so I cant complain too much about that.

Honestly, I usually flip channels during the songs. Hearing the Glee kids do covers just doesn't interest me much unless its a song I really like (and the only one who ever seems to sing those types of songs is Puck, and he sings like...twice a season).

 

[JP]

i'm feeling very tempted to change my avvy to sue grinch....

do it.

 

[JP]

Honestly, I usually flip channels during the songs. Hearing the Glee kids do covers just doesn't interest me much unless its a song I really like (and the only one who ever seems to sing those types of songs is Puck, and he sings like...twice a season).

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Yeah, that puzzles me too. Why even watch a musical if you flip the channel on the songs? They sing songs I don't like from time to time, but I never change the channel.

 

[Matt]

Look. I'm a writer. Not an actual paid one, sure, but I look at everything from a writer's perspective and writer's don't just take things like that and throw darts at a wall. Sometimes it seems like they do, but running a TV show and writing one is a delicate complex process and nothing changes from say Glee to something more complex like Lost.

Every show is planned from the starting point of the season to an end point of the season. Things can change as you get from point A to point B sure. But major things rarely ever change. It takes far too much complex work to do that. It's probably why the back 9 felt weaker to the front 13 last season. They listened to people too much and changed their show on the drop of the dime because everyone was sick of the pregnancy drama.

Ryan Murphy says alot of things sure and he contradicts himself alot, but that's because he tries to keep his show from spilling out into the media because of the great demand of it. He may say something like ''I take things script by script.", but it only takes knowing how a show runs to know that's bullcrap. The show would be a huge mess and every episode would feel disjointed from the other.

People haven't noticed it, but there's been a TON of parallels between every episode of season 1 and it's conjoining episode in season 2. Things in Kurt's storyline are starting to line up with Rachel/Finn/Quinn's from last season. Writing is a deep complex art that is beautiful and even more so when you write something that last for 22 to 25 episodes a year. So when Ryan Murphy says ''Yeah, nothing is written yet." It's just him playing trickster with his audience. He knows where his show is going.

Yes, most shows have plans, but said plans are often very flexible and most ideas are changed at some point. What is planned at the beginning of the season very seldom makes it to the screen. Hell, the one example you have, of the bully being gay, can be countered by at least five examples of things Murphy said that never happened (Molly Shannon being Sue's rival, R&B boyfriend, Christian in Glee club, Artie having to audition for Glee Club this season and not making the cut, Sam being gay, and so on, and so on, and so on).

The reason most show's plans are not as well known until the DVD is released and we hear about all the cool stuff that didn't make the screen in the commentary is because most show runners do not have as big of a mouth as Ryan Murphy. The man has no filter and will leak any little idea or thought he has to the press. Therefore, you're mistaking Ryan Murphy's random thoughts with things that are part of the pre-season plan (Emma getting married, Finn and Rachel breaking up, etc). The season outline covers major plot points, not every little character development, and is again INTENTIONALLY FLEXIBLE! EVEN THE MAJOR THINGS ARE FLEXIBLE!.

For example: In season one of Chuck, as of the beginning of the season Captain Awesome was originally planned to be a Russian spy (and there were hints to prove it). This was dropped midway through.

At the beginning of season 3 of 24, Chase's death was planned for episode 12 at the beginning of the season...then for episode 18....then for episode 24. Chase ended up living.

I can do this with basically any show. The plan you keep harping about is not a concrete thing but is flexible and adapts as the season goes on due to various factors such as fan reaction, studio demands, changes of heart of the writers, cast availability/willingness, etc.

 

[Homer J. Fong]

Yeah, I agree. I think BICO was one of the episodes best numbers. But it was so out of place. :/

Sure, it was more about "we want to see Kurt and Blaine do 'Baby It's Cold Outside' and the rationale is it's a Christmas episode," and that's it. But that's okay, 'cause it was wonderful.

 

[JP]

Every show is planned from the starting point of the season to an end point of the season. Things can change as you get from point A to point B sure. But major things rarely ever change. It takes far too much complex work to do that. It's probably why the back 9 felt weaker to the front 13 last season. They listened to people too much and changed their show on the drop of the dime because everyone was sick of the pregnancy drama.

Yet so far this season they have.

Kurt having a bf is a major point, but who said boyfriend is is not. They already changed the boyfriend plan once. They can change i 10 more times if they feel the need.

Ryan Murphy says alot of things sure and he contradicts himself alot, but that's because he tries to keep his show from spilling out into the media because of the great demand of it. He may say something like ''I take things script by script.", but it only takes knowing how a show runs to know that's bullcrap. The show would be a huge mess and every episode would feel disjointed from the other.

For the most part, they do.

People haven't noticed it, but there's been a TON of parallels between every episode of season 1 and it's conjoining episode in season 2. Things in Kurt's storyline are starting to line up with Rachel/Finn/Quinn's from last season. Writing is a deep complex art that is beautiful and even more so when you write something that last for 22 to 25 episodes a year. So when Ryan Murphy says ''Yeah, nothing is written yet." It's just him playing trickster with his audience. He knows where his show is going.

This is all beside the point.

Do you like Blaine and Kurt together? Do YOU want them together? From watching the show, do you feel like they're a potential couple? It feels like you base your opinions on the show based on what Murphy says, or what you "think" the plan may be. Just watch the damn show!!

 

[Matt]

Yeah, that puzzles me too. Why even watch a musical if you flip the channel on the songs? They sing songs I don't like from time to time, but I never change the channel.

Because the songs don't interest me. I watch because I find the show to be quirky and funny. Not for the songs.

 

[JP]

Yeah, that puzzles me too. Why even watch a musical if you flip the channel on the songs? They sing songs I don't like from time to time, but I never change the channel.

Especially when 90% of the time there are scenes inter cut. You miss so many moments/nuances when you don't watch the numbers.

Now I understand why he hates certain characters and thinks they're "one note".

 

[Schlosser85]

I'll admit I personally like Blaine and Kurt together, and I'll feel like Murphy has been wasting time laying their groundwork if he now introduces yet another gay character and has HIM be Kurt's boyfriend.

 

[Majik1387]

Because the songs don't interest me. I watch because I find the show to be quirky and funny. Not for the songs.

That's like saying you watch porn for the dramatic storylines and character acting.




So wasn't this episode also supposed to be the Susan Boyle as the Lunch Lady episode?

 

[JP]

Yes, most shows have plans, but said plans are often very flexible and most ideas are changed at some point. What is planned at the beginning of the season very seldom makes it to the screen. Hell, the one example you have, of the bully being gay, can be countered by at least five examples of things Murphy said that never happened (Molly Shannon being Sue's rival, R&B boyfriend, Christian in Glee club, Artie having to audition for Glee Club this season and not making the cut, Sam being gay, and so on, and so on, and so on).

The reason most show's plans are not as well known until the DVD is released and we hear about all the cool stuff that didn't make the screen in the commentary is because most show runners do not have as big of a mouth as Ryan Murphy. The man has no filter and will leak any little idea or thought he has to the press. Therefore, you're mistaking Ryan Murphy's random thoughts with things that are part of the pre-season plan (Emma getting married, Finn and Rachel breaking up, etc). The season outline covers major plot points, not every little character development, and is again INTENTIONALLY FLEXIBLE! EVEN THE MAJOR THINGS ARE FLEXIBLE!.

For example: In season one of Chuck, as of the beginning of the season Captain Awesome was originally planned to be a Russian spy (and there were hints to prove it). This was dropped midway through.

At the beginning of season 3 of 24, Chase's death was planned for episode 12 at the beginning of the season...then for episode 18....then for episode 24. Chase ended up living.

I can do this with basically any show. The plan you keep harping about is not a concrete thing but is flexible and adapts as the season goes on due to various factors such as fan reaction, studio demands, changes of heart of the writers, cast availability/willingness, etc.

Gotta agree with you on all points here. Another example, Jack Bauer was supposed to die midway through the final season. That's a pretty huge plot point.

 

[Matt]

Especially when 90% of the time there are scenes inter cut. You miss so many moments/nuances when you don't watch the numbers.

Now I understand why he hates certain characters and thinks they're "one note".

Oh please, its not like we're watching The Sopranos where a piece of salami has more symbolism than a Dan Brown novel. Anything that is missed during the songs can be picked up on it subsequent scenes. Flipping during songs is a recent development (past 6 episodes or so) once I realized I really wasn't missing anything that I couldn't pick up.

 

[JP]

That's like saying you watch porn for the dramatic storylines and character acting.




So wasn't this episode also supposed to be the Susan Boyle as the Lunch Lady episode?

And she was supposed to sing a song from her Christmas album.

 

[Matt]

That's like saying you watch porn for the dramatic storylines and character acting.

Not really. The only draw of porn is sex. Glee has more to offer than its music.

Gotta agree with you on all points here. Another example, Jack Bauer was supposed to die midway through the final season. That's a pretty huge plot point.

Exactly. Season plots are very, very flexible. Hell, 24 is living proof of that. I am always amazed when I read interviews with the producers or listen to the commentaries because you learn how much changes as the show goes on. David Palmer was supposed to die at numerous points prior to season 5. Nina wasn't originally the mole. Teri was originally intended to live. Tony was supposed to die when he got shot in season three. Its crazy how much is changed, there could be an entire series set in an alternate history of 24 just by using the plot points that the writers decided against.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

I like Blaine. I like Kurt. But together as more than friends, they feel too easy. Too perfect. It's the same with Quinn and Sam. But we'll see where the show goes.

Yes, plans change all the time, but alot of the things that Matt listed were shifted into other aspects of the show. Sunshine replaced the Uber-CHristian character as Rachel's new rival. They handled the Christian episode they wanted in a different way, etc. Things still happened the way Ryan wanted they were just shifted to other characters. The other aspect that he wanted for the christian character was an Eve Harrington style storyline and that seems to have been shifted from her and Rachel to Sam and Finn.

As for the Kurt's boyfriend storyline is far too early to tell. It could still be Sam. It still could be Blaine. It could random new guy. But as anticipated and as vocal as a point that is in the season, Ryan Murphy KNOWS where that storyline is going and he's known since day one. He's known what character. He had Blaine created already by the time of Audition, so yeah. If it's Blaine he's know it's Blaine from the beginning. If it's someone else. Same.

We all just have to sit back and watch where the show is going, but for me I feel like we got our first hint tonight, Blaine ain't the one.

 

[JP]

Oh please, its not like we're watching The Sopranos where a piece of salami has more symbolism than a Dan Brown novel. Anything that is missed during the songs can be picked up on it subsequent scenes. Flipping during songs is a recent development (past 6 episodes or so) once I realized I really wasn't missing anything that I couldn't pick up.

It's literally like watching a Bruce Lee movie, but fast forwarding though the fight scenes.

Or, watching sports but turning the channel anytime the announcers aren't on.

Or, watching a porno but skipping the sex scenes.

Or watching a comedy, but ignoring all the jokes.

Or watching a cooking show, but changing the channel anytime the chef begins to cook.