Godzilla (2014) - - - Part 12

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

So, does anyone want a monster besides Ghidorah in the sequel?

 

[ares834]

They couldn't fly around it? Really just seemed stupid to me.

Then again, I don't see why they couldn't procure a nuke from another place, America has them almost everywhere.

Not in the megaton range.

 

[Leenie]

So, does anyone want a monster besides Ghidorah in the sequel?

Biollante. Biollante all the way.

 

[slumcat]

1. The script was ludicrous. Many many logical fallacies.

2. The lead was disastrous. Absolutely stiff with no rooting interest.

3. The cut corners a lot, and preempted all the fights just as they were begining - showing them as news footage. They only actually showed the final fight. This might be to keep the budget down.

4. The special effects were strictly so-so, though the creatures were good.

But the first 2 are a major disappointment for me.

 

[Sharkboy]

They should not have shown those fights at all and saved it for the finale. Cutting away from them like they did only made it worse ..... downright comedic.

I thought it was meant to be somewhat comedic, like an intentional moment that was supposed to frustrate the audience, heck the entire movie made sure to keep big G in the background during most of the film, and kept the focus on mutos vs humans. Truth is, had we got none of those scenes, the film would have been duller than dishwater, it would have served no purpose and when you finally do see him, it would be abrupt and without any build up, it would be pointless, but had you followed him throughout the movie and shown us all those fights, it would have severely lessened the impact of the final fight. Has anyone here ever actually SEEN one of these movies? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

Oh who am i kidding, this is the generation that despises anything that isn't outright in service to them and their needs, they hate being teased or challenged, it's all we want it now now now, bigger, louder, more more more. I would have loved to have seen today's audiences react to JAWS as if it were a new movie, i can hear it now. "it's pretty ridiculous you barely get to see the shark until the last couple of minutes, you just spend time with humans!"

 

[Sharkboy]

Biollante. Biollante all the way.

Uh...I change my mind! Biollante! Biollante! him and his glorious "rose stage" Save Ghidorah for the third film.

 

[Figs]

I would have loved to have seen today's audiences react to JAWS as if it were a new movie, i can hear it now. "it's pretty ridiculous you barely get to see the shark until the last couple of minutes, you just spend time with humans!"

This would be a guaranteed reaction by Many, if Jaws came out today.

 

[redfirebird2008]

I thought it was meant to be somewhat comedic, like an intentional moment that was supposed to frustrate the audience, heck the entire movie made sure to keep big G in the background during most of the film, and kept the focus on mutos vs humans. Truth is, had we got none of those scenes, the film would have been duller than dishwater, it would have served no purpose and when you finally do see him, it would be abrupt and without any build up, it would be pointless, but had you followed him throughout the movie and shown us all those fights, it would have severely lessened the impact of the final fight. Has anyone here ever actually SEEN one of these movies? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

Oh who am i kidding, this is the generation that despises anything that isn't outright in service to them and their needs, they hate being teased or challenged, it's all we want it now now now, bigger, louder, more more more. I would have loved to have seen today's audiences react to JAWS as if it were a new movie, i can hear it now. "it's pretty ridiculous you barely get to see the shark until the last couple of minutes, you just spend time with humans!"

The shark is in the first scene and constantly tears a hole through the plot of the movie. Same cannot be said of Godzilla in this new movie.

 

[ThreadPool]

It was to parallel Ford's life with his dad Joe's.

Spoiler

Honestly I think this would have been better developed if they had kept Cranston's character alive until the end of the second act or the beginning of the third act. They could have developed the family parallels a lot more, making the emotional investment in Aaron Taylor Johnson's character a lot better for the general audience. Just my two cents.

Exactly. What you just wrote would've been much better. The parallels were obvious but not strong, developed or reinforced. The kid was just kinda... there.

 

[Sharkboy]

The shark is in the first scene and constantly tears a hole through the plot of the movie. Same cannot be said of Godzilla in this new movie.

Really? because you see him fully about 40 minutes in, and you continue to see him partially until he's out and about and owning the last 20 minutes of the movie, and I'm pretty sure he's a major part of the plot. Jeez you act like he pops up for 20 minutes in the end and thats it.

 

[Adenjo]

Did you even watch the movie?

Yes I did and I wasn't impressed.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Really? because you see him fully about 40 minutes in, and you continue to see him partially until he's out and about and owning the last 20 minutes of the movie, and I'm pretty sure he's a major part of the plot. Jeez you act like he pops up for 20 minutes in the end and thats it.

Spoiler

His first appearance is at the one hour mark (looked at my watch when he showed up) and it lasts all of 30 seconds to one minute. He is absolutely not a driving force in the plot for that first hour. Then he disappears for the next 30 minutes and is heavily featured in the last 20 minutes.

The MUTO's are the ones driving the plot the entire movie. Even when Godzilla is heavily featured at the end, the MUTO's are sharing screentime with him. This is where the comparison to Jaws falls down big time. The shark drives the plot of that film the entire time.

 

[hitmanyr2k]

I thought it was meant to be somewhat comedic, like an intentional moment that was supposed to frustrate the audience, heck the entire movie made sure to keep big G in the background during most of the film, and kept the focus on mutos vs humans. Truth is, had we got none of those scenes, the film would have been duller than dishwater, it would have served no purpose and when you finally do see him, it would be abrupt and without any build up, it would be pointless, but had you followed him throughout the movie and shown us all those fights, it would have severely lessened the impact of the final fight. Has anyone here ever actually SEEN one of these movies? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

Oh who am i kidding, this is the generation that despises anything that isn't outright in service to them and their needs, they hate being teased or challenged, it's all we want it now now now, bigger, louder, more more more. I would have loved to have seen today's audiences react to JAWS as if it were a new movie, i can hear it now. "it's pretty ridiculous you barely get to see the shark until the last couple of minutes, you just spend time with humans!"

If there were any iconic character scenes like this in Godzilla I doubt many people would be complaining about it.

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Instead we get to watch a character with the acting ability of a store mannequin go from point A to point B to point C. Please don't try to use a superior film in Jaws to defend this soulless, POS movie.

 

[nocomics]

I wouldn't want to see Mothra. I mean, the winged MUTO was more or less her (only I think the winged one was the male, right? But it served the same basic purpose). So yeah, no real need for Mothra. Gamera is a bit cheesy, IMO. Ghidorah could be good. I dunno...I kinda want Mecha Godzilla. I feel like they could do some cool things with it. Maybe in light of the MUTO attack, the military creates Mecha Godzilla, a fully nuclear powerhouse designed to hunt these creatures/protect humanity from them. Eventually, perhaps during a fight with Godzilla, it malfunctions and the military looses control and it is up to Godzilla to stop it? I dunno, I'm spitballing.

Me neither for the same reason, plus No on Rodan again for the same reason. I see no reason why they couldn't do two monsters again, and even do another original monster(if they can't get permission to use Toho's).
Maybe: Biollante, Destoroyah, King Ghidorah, or Mecha-Godzilla. But I agree I think Mecha would make the most since, could have one of 'Zilla's lesser enemies show up, Mecha kills him which lures Godzilla from Slumber and the battle.?

 

[DorneyDave]

Man of Steel.

Amazing Spider-Man 2.

Godzilla.



This board is very divided in terms of what people love and don't love.

I suppose that's a good thing for discussion though, I'm seeing this tomorrow.

I hear the 3D isn't good but I want to see it in IMAX.

 

[Sharkboy]

Spoiler

His first appearance is at the one hour mark (looked at my watch when he showed up) and it lasts all of 30 seconds to one minute. He is absolutely not a driving force in the plot for that first hour. Then he disappears for the next 30 minutes and is heavily featured in the last 20 minutes.

The MUTO's are the ones driving the plot the entire movie. Even when Godzilla is heavily featured at the end, the MUTO's are sharing screentime with him. This is where the comparison to Jaws falls down big time. The shark drives the plot of that film the entire time.

Spoiler

Ok fair enough, Godzilla isn't the antagonist, hence he's not as much of a driving point, but would extra appearances have changed that? I'm not entirely sure it would have. My point was still my lack of faith in the modern casual audience to appreciate a film where the titular character (and lets face it, the main draw of the entire film) only appears for a little while. Your argument would hold better for me, if you had rightfully said; it's simple, brody, quint and hooper are just far more interesting people to hang out with than ford brody, and that makes those human scenes far far better

 

[Sharkboy]

If there were any iconic character scenes like this in Godzilla I doubt many people would be complaining about it.

[YT]u9S41Kplsbs[/YT]

Instead we get to watch a character with the acting ability of a store mannequin go from point A to point B to point C. Please don't try to use a superior film in Jaws to defend this soulless, POS movie.

See when you go overboard in the hyperbole and abrasiveness, that's kinda when i tune out and become far less interested in what good points you might have had.

Spoiler

Two words: Atomic Breath, that's all you need that's how you get a train to 98 million opening

 

[Broseph44]

For those who didn't enjoy it or those complaining non stop. Just think, you could always go back and watch this. Godzilla humping a building. Amazing.

 

[Broseph44]

If there were any iconic character scenes like this in Godzilla I doubt many people would be complaining about it.

[YT]u9S41Kplsbs[/YT]

Instead we get to watch a character with the acting ability of a store mannequin go from point A to point B to point C. Please don't try to use a superior film in Jaws to defend this soulless, POS movie.

This is where it gets ridiculous with people's opinions. When you start saying things like POS movie. Come on everyone has an opinion but take it easy. You act as if it's like a POS Bmovie or poorly filmed college film. Give me a break.

 

[Liam_H]

I don't see a problem with someone calling it a POS movie if thats how they feel, just as someone is entitled to say its a near masterpiece in the genre or its one of the best blockbusters in recent years.

 

[Broseph44]

Ehhh agree to disagree. Whatever haha

 

[Skrilla31]

I thought it was meant to be somewhat comedic, like an intentional moment that was supposed to frustrate the audience, heck the entire movie made sure to keep big G in the background during most of the film, and kept the focus on mutos vs humans. Truth is, had we got none of those scenes, the film would have been duller than dishwater, it would have served no purpose and when you finally do see him, it would be abrupt and without any build up, it would be pointless, but had you followed him throughout the movie and shown us all those fights, it would have severely lessened the impact of the final fight. Has anyone here ever actually SEEN one of these movies? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

Oh who am i kidding, this is the generation that despises anything that isn't outright in service to them and their needs, they hate being teased or challenged, it's all we want it now now now, bigger, louder, more more more. I would have loved to have seen today's audiences react to JAWS as if it were a new movie, i can hear it now. "it's pretty ridiculous you barely get to see the shark until the last couple of minutes, you just spend time with humans!"

As a filmmaker you shouldn't be looking to frustrate your audience. What you're referring to is a tease.

Then again I don't know how you could still "tease" something after an excruciatingly boring hour and 20 minutes... and when you're RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ACTION!!!

Jaws was actually a competently made movie that had more going for it than just a mechanical shark.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Your argument would hold better for me, if you had rightfully said; it's simple, brody, quint and hooper are just far more interesting people to hang out with than ford brody, and that makes those human scenes far far better

They are, but the shark is also showing up plenty throughout the early portions of the film. Just because he is not on screen does not mean he is not part of the story. He is attacking people, killing them, etc. even when the camera doesn't show him.

I think Jaws would work very well even with a modern audience. The music, Spielberg's direction, and the fact that the shark is causing all kinds of mayhem throughout the story...I think people would be hooked and stay interested all the way through.

 

[regnak]

I didn't realize the massive plot hole dealing with the nuke which was suppose to be the biggest baddest nuke ever made! It blows up and... nothing? How far from land was it? No effects from fallout? No tsunami? Basically, no damage whatsoever?

It would of been great for Ford to see all three monsters fall, and realize the nuke is not needed and deactivate it. He would have had purpose and be a hero. It would of been a great conclusion. Godzilla was the weapon to end this all, not the nuke.

The thing is that the captain who said that got it wrong. They were testing H bombs in the 1950's which were megatons.

See here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Bravo

Castle Bravo was the code name given to the first United States test of a dry fuel, hydrogen bomb, detonated on March 1, 1954, at Bikini Atoll, Marshall Islands, as the first test of Operation Castle. Castle Bravo was the most powerful nuclear device ever detonated by the United States (and just under one-third the energy of the Tsar Bomba, the most powerful device ever detonated), with a yield of 15 megatons of TNT. That yield, far exceeding the expected yield of 4 to 8 megatons (6 Mt predicted),[1] combined with other factors, led to the most significant accidental radioactive contamination ever caused by the United States.






Over time as guidance systems got better nuclear warheads got smaller.

They mentioned Minuteman missiles as where the warhead came from:

The LGM-30 Minuteman is a United States land-based intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM), in service with the United States Air Force Global Strike Command. As of 2014, the LGM-30G Minuteman-III version is the only land-based ICBM in service in the United States. It is one component of the US nuclear triad—the other two parts of the triad being the Trident submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM), and nuclear weapons carried by long-range strategic bombers. Each missile carries up to three nuclear warheads, which have a yield in the range of 300 to 500 kilotons.

from here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGM-30_Minuteman



IOW the navy Captain didn't know what he was talking about and just assumed the newer bombs were bigger.

 

[flickchick85]

I don't see a problem with someone calling it a POS movie if thats how they feel, just as someone is entitled to say its a near masterpiece in the genre or its one of the best blockbusters in recent years.

It's hyperbole at its finest, but hyperbole they're entitled to make nonetheless.