Godzilla (2014) - - - - Part 13

[Leenie]

Yet you brought it up to reinforce the idea that it's only people on the internet being negative.

Clearly you felt it was enough to warrant that theory, unless of course you're contradicting yourself.

I was just stating my experience with what I heard from people in real life in contrast to the internet, and that I found it genuinely funny that the reactions have all been positive. I wasn't saying that my experience with this movie's word of mouth represented everyone's reactions to the movie. I wasn't saying that at all.

But yeah, you're right. I'm on an agenda and a crusade to save this movie's reputation. For the movie's honor, or something. You figured me out.

 

[Rock Sexton]

I was just stating my experience with what I heard from people in real life in contrast to the internet, and that I found it genuinely funny that the reactions have all been positive. I wasn't saying that my experience with this movie's word of mouth represented everyone's reactions to the movie. I wasn't saying that at all.

But yeah, you're right. I'm on an agenda and a crusade to save this movie's reputation. For the movie's honor, or something. You figured me out.

It's pretty clear your agenda was to marginalize the negative perceptions of this film. You even went so far as to summoning all the experience you've got seeing reactions of popular movies and how that relates. So there was more to this than personal humor.

 

[C. Lee]

OK....we get it...you two don't share the same OPINION.....so move on.

 

[DA_Champion]

Life......life interrupts sometimes.....sometimes it's as simple as that.

I didn't see Godzilla opening week because my brother in law had emergency surgery and we spent the week at the hospital. Not everyone has the ability to go to all the movies they want whenever they want. Other people like me....have kids and family. They take precedence over movies going.

I missed virtually everything in late 2011 as I was helping my late father with his prostate cancer.

Family should always come first.

 

[Wildcard]

I am funny, and you are correct and I am--somehow--wrong. I thought ASM2 did better than $3.7 ish this weekend. It's at $192M and change....it's gonna be close as well. I think both may end up just south of $200.



Godzilla will get $200,005,142

ASM2 will get $199,999,999

If things go well enough, I could see Godzilla making at least $205 million domestically....$210 AT BEST, but we'll see.

With TASM 2, it's doing so poorly that it's hard to tell. It's legs have already been terrible so can it drag out another $8 million? Only time will tell.

 

[Leenie]

If things go well enough, I could see Godzilla making at least $205 million domestically....$210 AT BEST, but we'll see.

With TASM 2, it's doing so poorly that it's hard to tell. It's legs have already been terrible so can it drag out another $8 million? Only time will tell.

Godzilla exceeded expectations on opening weekend (enough to greenlight a sequel, correct me if I'm wrong), but in terms of its total domestic gross, has it been meeting expectations? I honestly don't know. If so, I don't consider that to be a disappointment, generally speaking. The legs are certainly something to look into and consider, though.

TASM2 is struggling, mostly because of how much money Sony put into it and what the expectations were for a big name superhero like Spidey.

In all honesty, though: Despite personal opinions about the movies of the 2014 Summer season so far, ALL of the May releases have had a ridiculous drop in their second weekends (except for Maleficent, only because it was just released; let's see how it does next week). Even X-Men: DOFP, a critically praised movie, experienced a 64% drop this weekend.

Do the weaker legs for these movies represent a lukewarm reaction from audiences, or do they represent the ridiculous amount of competition during the month alone? Or ... Do they represent how the box office works nowadays? With rising ticket prices, maybe people just aren't going to the movies as often as they used to? I can't help but notice that the big releases of this Summer so far have not had the greatest legs. It's been a consistent pattern this month. I guess we'll have to see how the rest of the Summer movies fare.

 

[ares834]

I think with so many more international movie goers now, it's saving these films that domestically don't open any eye-balls at the box office.

A movie that makes 200 million DOM on a "smaller" budget doesn't need much saving. Godzilla has been a bigger success than most predicted it would be.

Do the weaker legs for these movies represent a lukewarm reaction from audiences, or do they represent the ridiculous amount of competition during the month alone? Or ... Do they represent how the box office works nowadays? With rising ticket prices, maybe people just aren't going to the movies as often as they used to? I can't help but notice that the big releases of this Summer so far have not had the greatest legs. It's been a consistent pattern this month. I guess we'll have to see how the rest of the Summer movies fare.

It certainly seems to be a mix of all those things. But one thing is for certain is that WoM is mixed.

 

[X Knight]

I really think it's due to how our box office works and that these movies are so "front loaded" opening weekend. and that these "big" movies are scheduled so back-to-back.

One week you see the newest big movie, the next week, you see the next new big movie.

the only recent movie that seemed to defy this was Frozen. THAT movie had legs and just kept chugging along.

 

[Wildcard]

I really think it's due to how our box office works and that these movies are so "front loaded" opening weekend. and that these "big" movies are scheduled so back-to-back.

One week you see the newest big movie, the next week, you see the next new big movie.

the only recent movie that seemed to defy this was Frozen. THAT movie had legs and just kept chugging along.

I'd have to agree with this. If there weren't so many big budget movies being released back to back, just about all of them would have better legs. With so many movies & ticket prices being high, people are selective with what they want to see.

Honestly, I think it would be way better if these movies were more spaced apart & not back to back like they have been this year especially.

 

[dark_b]

mr. fatman hahaha

http://www.fxguide.com/quicktakes/early-weta-workshop-designs-for-godzilla/

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I love how you keep treating your word like fact while ignoring more sound and logical arguments. The ONLY reason you're sticking to it is because you disliked the film and are trying to discredit it at every turn.

If you disliked X-Men as well, you'd be doing the same thing. Except you did like it, so you're ignoring it's massive drop.

X-Men's drop is bad, I'm not ignoring anything and I haven't seen Godzilla so I don't have a vendetta against the film. I'm simply commenting on it's awful legs because I find box office numbers interesting. You don't have to like it but I find it interesting when a movie drops 67% on a Holiday weekend and 61% the following weekend. Looks like bad word of mouth to me. You are still allowed to love the film and you can ignore my analysis if you don't like it.

Actually I'm still wondering why people let some films off the hook for their hard drops and not others? It's curious to me that the competition excuse wasn't allowed last year when it came to Man of Steel but this year it is allowed. I mentioned this in the X-Men forums as well so I'm not just addressing Godzilla fans.

 

[Liam_H]

If things go well enough, I could see Godzilla making at least $205 million domestically....$210 AT BEST, but we'll see.

With TASM 2, it's doing so poorly that it's hard to tell. It's legs have already been terrible so can it drag out another $8 million? Only time will tell.

You say this but do you realize Godzilla legs have been worse?

 

[Wildcard]

You say this but do you realize Godzilla legs have been worse?

Um, no they haven't. I won't deny Godzilla has had a significant drop, but its legs are certainly not worse than TASM 2. One has made back its budget domestically & the other hasn't.

One film is over-budgeted, the other isn't and is making money. So, yeah.

 

[Liam_H]

Why are you taking budget into account? When I talk about legs I strictly mean how well a movie has held up, in this case ASM2 has held up better. Not by a large margin but a noticeable one so far.

Even if you wanna talk gross to budget, both will be around the same domestically. But ASM2 will end up making $150-200M more overseas than Godzilla. Which is gonna balance out ASM2 having a larger budget.

 

[ares834]

What's going to kill ASM2 is the grossly inflated marketing budget.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

...and the fact that it is a terrible film.

 

[Wildcard]

Why are you taking budget into account? When I talk about legs I strictly mean how well a movie has held up, in this case ASM2 has held up better. Not by a large margin but a noticeable one so far.

Even if you wanna talk gross to budget, both will be around the same domestically. But ASM2 will end up making $150-200M more overseas than Godzilla. Which is gonna balance out ASM2 having a larger budget.

That was just an add on, wasn't meant to have anything to do with the talk about legs. I was adding in it in to further point out how abysmal TASM 2's performance is in comparison to Godzilla.

And no, that's not going to balance out TASM 2 because of the fact that with everything included (once again), it cost between $400-500 million. I highly doubt it will even make $150-200 million more overseas considering it's struggling to even make it to $700 million, a number The Winter Soldier has already hit. And there were some claiming TASM 2 would see that number before it. As far as I know it STILL hasn't hit that number.

I'm not going to act delusional & say that Godzilla has the strongest legs at the box office, but they are nowhere near being bad/terrible like TASM 2. The numbers support that notion & the fact that it'll actually be around long enough to see a profit.

TASM 2 is continuing to fade away. Nobody cares about it so it's making small lump-sums of money. Godzilla, having a top spot, is obviously more relevant right now & has more audience interest.

Godzilla doesn't have to make $500-800 million to beat TASM 2 because it already has. Whether it's being profitable, a better movie, having greater legs, etc., Godzilla is far ahead of TASM 2. And if you're blind to that fact, well that's all on you.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Godzilla exceeded expectations on opening weekend (enough to greenlight a sequel, correct me if I'm wrong), but in terms of its total domestic gross, has it been meeting expectations? I honestly don't know. If so, I don't consider that to be a disappointment, generally speaking. The legs are certainly something to look into and consider, though.

TASM2 is struggling, mostly because of how much money Sony put into it and what the expectations were for a big name superhero like Spidey.

In all honesty, though: Despite personal opinions about the movies of the 2014 Summer season so far, ALL of the May releases have had a ridiculous drop in their second weekends (except for Maleficent, only because it was just released; let's see how it does next week). Even X-Men: DOFP, a critically praised movie, experienced a 64% drop this weekend.

Do the weaker legs for these movies represent a lukewarm reaction from audiences, or do they represent the ridiculous amount of competition during the month alone? Or ... Do they represent how the box office works nowadays? With rising ticket prices, maybe people just aren't going to the movies as often as they used to? I can't help but notice that the big releases of this Summer so far have not had the greatest legs. It's been a consistent pattern this month. I guess we'll have to see how the rest of the Summer movies fare.

Maleficent was such a horrible movie, I hope it drops badly I really can't see how anyone watched that mess and thought it was good.

 

[X Knight]

Maleficent was such a horrible movie, I hope it drops badly I really can't see how anyone watched that mess and thought it was good.

I thought it was good.

 

[Rock Sexton]

In all honesty, though: Despite personal opinions about the movies of the 2014 Summer season so far, ALL of the May releases have had a ridiculous drop in their second weekends (except for Maleficent, only because it was just released; let's see how it does next week). Even X-Men: DOFP, a critically praised movie, experienced a 64% drop this weekend.

Do the weaker legs for these movies represent a lukewarm reaction from audiences, or do they represent the ridiculous amount of competition during the month alone? Or ... Do they represent how the box office works nowadays? With rising ticket prices, maybe people just aren't going to the movies as often as they used to? I can't help but notice that the big releases of this Summer so far have not had the greatest legs. It's been a consistent pattern this month. I guess we'll have to see how the rest of the Summer movies fare.

Been talking about it in other threads, it's because movie studios are now more heavily focused on the expansion of the international market. In an article I posted, it stated 70% of their ticket revenues come from outside of the U.S.

They're just looking for that quickie in the opening week here in the stats and for the global audience to carry the movie. They seem to be more forgiving of less substance and more spectacle.

 

[Gold Samurai]

mr. fatman hahaha
SNIP

http://www.fxguide.com/quicktakes/early-weta-workshop-designs-for-godzilla/

There can only be one Fatman

 

[Liam_H]

That was just an add on, wasn't meant to have anything to do with the talk about legs. I was adding in it in to further point out how abysmal TASM 2's performance is in comparison to Godzilla.

And no, that's not going to balance out TASM 2 because of the fact that with everything included (once again), it cost between $400-500 million. I highly doubt it will even make $150-200 million more overseas considering it's struggling to even make it to $700 million, a number The Winter Soldier has already hit. And there were some claiming TASM 2 would see that number before it. As far as I know it STILL hasn't hit that number.

I'm not going to act delusional & say that Godzilla has the strongest legs at the box office, but they are nowhere near being bad/terrible like TASM 2. The numbers support that notion & the fact that it'll actually be around long enough to see a profit.

TASM 2 is continuing to fade away. Nobody cares about it so it's making small lump-sums of money. Godzilla, having a top spot, is obviously more relevant right now & has more audience interest.

Godzilla doesn't have to make $500-800 million to beat TASM 2 because it already has. Whether it's being profitable, a better movie, having greater legs, etc., Godzilla is far ahead of TASM 2. And if you're blind to that fact, well that's all on you.

If you're saying that budget/profit has nothing to do with legs then I'm gonna leave that out of the argument. How can you say TASM2 has terrible legs and Godzilla doesn't when they are comparable. TASM2 has even been marginally better also, the numbers support that.

Also I didn't say ASM2 is gonna make $200M more, its run is basically finished around $700M WW while Godzilla is gonna finish around $500-550WW, that's where the difference is gonna come from.

 

[Wildcard]

If you're saying that budget/profit has nothing to do with legs then I'm gonna leave that out of the argument. How can you say TASM2 has terrible legs and Godzilla doesn't when they are comparable. TASM2 has even been marginally better also, the numbers support that.

Also I didn't say ASM2 is gonna make $200M more, its run is basically finished around $700M WW while Godzilla is gonna finish around $500-550WW, that's where the difference is gonna come from.

Because they aren't comparable when people are still going out to see Godzilla and it still has a 4th place spot amongst new competition. If it truly had terrible legs, it would've fell further down the list than it did, but as it so happens it's still in the top five. TASM 2 fell off the radar fast, & the numbers almost seem as if it's completely dead at the box office right now.

Okay, but how is that good? Godzilla will end up being far more profitable than TASM 2. The movie cost a ridiculous amount of money. You seem to think that because it'll hit the $700 million number that bails it out. But that's not how it works. Sony doesn't keep even close to all of the money that comes from overseas.

Sure, they may have made some nice coin but them not getting a large share of all of those profits coupled with the fact the movie hasn't made $200 million domestically proves its a failure with terrible legs.

Godzilla, on the other hand, will most likely remain in the top five for another week, and the top 10 for a couple more weeks. TASM 2 is going to fall lower and lower on the list.

I'm not seeing how they are comparable. And I won't see how because yet again, the data doesn't support the notion.

I'm done repeating myself now, tho.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Sure, they may have made some nice coin but them not getting a large share of all of those profits coupled with the fact the movie hasn't made $200 million domestically proves its a failure with terrible legs.

Actually, film companies receive 70% of their ticket revenue from the international BO and not that I liked TASM2, but it made $497 million internationally compared to the puny $200 million Godzilla has.

 

[Liam_H]

Because they aren't comparable when people are still going out to see Godzilla and it still has a 4th place spot amongst new competition. If it truly had terrible legs, it would've fell further down the list than it did, but as it so happens it's still in the top five. TASM 2 fell off the radar fast, & the numbers almost seem as if it's completely dead at the box office right now.

Again, I'm not talking about budget/profit. Just the legs of its box office run.

Saying Godzilla is doing better because it was at #4 this weekend is so misleading for a number of reasons. First, weekend/weekly drops are far more indicative than placement. Second, ASM2 has been out for two weeks longer of course its gonna be lower.

When I refer to legs I'm referring to the percentage drops. ASM2 dropped 61.2% and 52.7% compared to Godzilla dropping 66.8% and 61.2% in their subsequent weekends. From that you can see ASM2 is doing a bit better, you can even say its about the same. But no way can you say ASM2 is doing bad/terrible without saying Godzilla is too.

The data is there to support this.