Goku VS. Goku

[buutenks]

Well don't beat yourself over it. You want to know Sai Goku's feats, and I'm going to give them. I'm just going to put it all in one post so you won't have to ask me again, but that takes some time.

Don't care anymore..

 

[Keollyn]

Carl Thomas?

 

[buutenks]

Carl Thomas?

Who's that?

 

[Keollyn]

A singer. He sung the song "Emotional"

 

[buutenks]

A singer. He sung the song "Emotional"

Really?Does it matter?

 

[Keollyn]

I guess you missed the punchline. And I was hoping you'd catch on to that one. Anyway, I guess I'll give my opinion.

1. Who can eat more? - Really tough to pick. I'd give it to Kakarotto ONLY because Sai Goku had a reason for his hunger. Kakarotto's just a glutton.
2. Who has the better hair style? - Sai Goku. Only SSJ3 Goku has cooler hair, but then that's beaten by Seiten Taisen's hair style.
3. Who has the better character design? - Sai Goku. Goku's DB character design was much better in my opinion.
4. Which Goku follows the legend of the monkey king more closely? - Sai Goku with ease. Even Kid Goku was faintly similar to the monkey king.
5. Who is more intelligent? - Fighting: Sai Goku; Normally: Sai Goku.
6. Who has better and more reliable friends? Sai Goku. The Sanzo-ikkou have been much more reliable than any of Kakarotto's friends in any instances.
7. Who's more funnier? - Kakarotto has his moments, especially Kid Goku, but Sai Goku is comic relief pulled off perfectly.
8. Who's transformation is better? - Neither character goes through any bodily transformation, so this one depends on who you think has the better look during their transformation. I say Sai Goku, but SSJ3 is a nice looking transformation.
9. Which Goku would make a great lady killer? - Kakarotto would. Even though he hasn't the real smarts for it, just the fact that he has an adult look, he'll likely score more with the ladies. Sai Goku's adorableness will only go so far.
10. And least, but not least, who would win in a fight? Pre-transformation: Kakarotto; transformation: Sai Goku.

 

[buutenks]

I guess you missed the punchline. And I was hoping you'd catch on to that one. Anyway, I guess I'll give my opinion.

1. Who can eat more? - Really tough to pick. I'd give it to Kakarotto ONLY because Sai Goku had a reason for his hunger. Kakarotto's just a glutton.
2. Who has the better hair style? - Sai Goku. Only SSJ3 Goku has cooler hair, but then that's beaten by Seiten Taisen's hair style.
3. Who has the better character design? - Sai Goku. Goku's DB character design was much better in my opinion.
4. Which Goku follows the legend of the monkey king more closely? - Sai Goku with ease. Even Kid Goku was faintly similar to the monkey king.
5. Who is more intelligent? - Fighting: Sai Goku; Normally: Sai Goku.
6. Who has better and more reliable friends? Sai Goku. The Sanzo-ikkou have been much more reliable than any of Kakarotto's friends in any instances.
7. Who's more funnier? - Kakarotto has his moments, especially Kid Goku, but Sai Goku is comic relief pulled off perfectly.
8. Who's transformation is better? - Neither character goes through any bodily transformation, so this one depends on who you think has the better look during their transformation. I say Sai Goku, but SSJ3 is a nice looking transformation.
9. Which Goku would make a great lady killer? - Kakarotto would. Even though he hasn't the real smarts for it, just the fact that he has an adult look, he'll likely score more with the ladies. Sai Goku's adorableness will only go so far.
10. And least, but not least, who would win in a fight? Pre-transformation: Kakarotto; transformation: Sai Goku.

I agree.Goku loses,he can't even hurt sai Goku.

 

[Keollyn]

And why do you say that?

 

[buutenks]

And why do you say that?

Because I'm bored of arguing,I don't even know how strong this guy is.

Okay just show me some speed,durability and punching feats,okay?

 

[Keollyn]

I already admitted Kakarotto is faster (from proven feats), so showing you speed feats would be redundant. Durability I can show you and will. Punching feats? I'm not sure what you're asking for right there. Well anyway, my write-up is almost done. You don't have to argue this anymore, but I'll show you nonetheless.

 

[buutenks]

I already admitted Kakarotto is faster (from proven feats), so showing you speed feats would be redundant. Durability I can show you and will. Punching feats? I'm not sure what you're asking for right there. Well anyway, my write-up is almost done. You don't have to argue this anymore, but I'll show you nonetheless.

Punching means,how hard he punches,for e.g.his punch can destroy a planet,that stuff.

Edit:and just posts the feats man.I'm really starting to think that you don't have any.

 

[Keollyn]

Ah okay. I won't be posting none of those then. He doesn't punch a planet...

I said I'm creating a writeup, so stop being impatient. And why are you in a hurry anyway? You said yourself that you're not going to debate this no more. If you only want to see it, then you shouldn't be in a hurry. Amirite?

 

[buutenks]

Ah okay. I won't be posting none of those then. He doesn't punch a planet...

I said I'm creating a writeup, so stop being impatient. And why are you in a hurry anyway? You said yourself that you're not going to debate this no more. If you only want to see it, then you shouldn't be in a hurry. Amirite?

No that was an exmple,how hard does he punch,can he destroy a car with his punch?Or a city?Or a mountain?rtc you know like that.

And it's not hard to post the feat,you just need to tell me what he did,for e.g:Goku can punch and destroy mountains,that's very easy to do.

 

[Keollyn]

I knew what you meant. I was just kidding around. Trying to lighten the mood between the two of us.

I know it isn't hard, but I posted them on CBR but it wasn't enough for you then. I just think it would be better if I posted ALL his current feats in one shot.

Here's the unfinished version. I'm still reading the current manga so more might be added later.

http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=3826829

 

[buutenks]

I knew what you meant. I was just kidding around. Trying to lighten the mood between the two of us.

I know it isn't hard, but I posted them on CBR but it wasn't enough for you then. I just think it would be better if I posted ALL his current feats in one shot.

Here's the unfinished version. I'm still reading the current manga so more might be added later.

http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=3826829

Impressive,he would be a good match for kid Goku,but he loses to a moon buster(Goku,Piccolo).

Edit:Kid Goku made those feats.Ssj Goku kicked Freeza in the face,he(Freeza) went through an island destroying part of it and hit another island destroy part of it and Freeza didn't even felt it.ssj Goku ican survive the explosion of a planet,ssj2 Goku can destroy mountain ranges just by the shockwave of his punches etc.

 

[Keollyn]

I would agree with you except for one thing.... Kid Goku did none of that with his powers GREATLY limited. Moon busting power doesn't seem to present much of an issue if Goku was Seiten Taisen.

SSJ Goku never survived a planet exploding, therefore, he's not KNOWN to have that level of durability.

 

[buutenks]

I would agree with you except for one thing.... Kid Goku did none of that with his powers GREATLY limited. Moon busting power doesn't seem to present much of an issue if Goku was Seiten Taisen.

SSJ Goku never survived a planet exploding, therefore, he's not KNOWN to have that level of durability.

Freeza survived and ssj Goku is more durable then him,so ssj Goku can survive the explosion of a planet as well.Every dbz character stronger then Freeza can survive the explosion of a planet.You should know that in dbz,when you have more power you're more durable,faster and stronger.



Imperfect Cell can survive the explosion of a planet,he was hit by blasts that would completely destroy Freeza,yet he didn't even had a cut,that's proof that Imperfect Cell can survive the explosion of a planet and ssj Goku as well.You have nothing to prove me wrong,when Cell made his self-destruction that could destroy planet earth he killed ssj Goku,but if Freeza would have been there he would have been blown to 1234565909876554 pieces,yet he cna survive the explosion of a planet.So you're wrong,ssj Goku can survive the explosion of a planet.
From what I've saw of Sai Goku,Goku at the end of db kills him wiht a moon busting attack,why is it so hard to accept that Goku can beat him?Non of the feats tht sai Goku shwed put him above Goku from db,so he can't beat him.

And I'll say it again and I'll say it 100 times if you still don't understand:
SSJ GOKU IS MORE DURABLE THEN FREEZA WHO COULD SURVIVE THE EXPLOSION OF A PLANET.
IMPERFECT CELL WAS HIT BY BLASTS THAT COULD COMPLETELY DESTROY FREEZA,YE T HE DIDN'T EVEN HAD A CUT,SO IT MEANS THAT HE'S MORE DURABLE THEN FREEZA WHO COULD SURVIVE THE EXPLOSION OF A PLANET AND FPSSJ GOKU IS MORE DRUABLE THEN IMPERFECT CELL,SO HE CAN SURVIVE AS WELL,YOU SAID THAT YOU WATCHED DBZ,YET YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT IF YOU HAVE MORE POWER YOU'RE MORE DURABLE,FASTER AND STRONGER.
SSJ2 GOKU WAS DESTROYING MOUNTAINS WITH THE SHOCKWAVE OF HIS PUNCHES,DOES IT MEAN NOW THAT KID BUU CAN'T,EVEN THOUGH HE'S WAY STRONGER THEN SSJ2 GOKU?NO,HE CAN BECAUSE HE HAS MORE POWER,THE SAME THING IS WITH SSJ GOKU,HE HAS MORE POWER THEN FREEZA SO HE'S DURABLE.
NOW IF SSJ GOKU CAN SURVIVE THE EXPLOSION OF A PLANET,THEN WHY WAS MYSTIC GOHAN KILLED?WELL THTA'S BECAUSE HE WAS UNCONSCIOUS MAKING him less durable,IN DBZ WHEN YOU'RE UNCONSCIOUS YOU'RE POWER LEVEL IS LOW,SO IT MEANS THAT YOU'RE SPEED,DURABILITY ETC ARE VERY VERY LOW,SO THAT'S WHY HE WAS KILLED AND THE FACT THAT KID BUU DESTROYED THE PLANET.KID BUU'S BLAST WAS WAY WAY WAY STRONGER THEN THE EXPLOSION OF A PLANET,IF FREEZA WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE,EVEN IF HE WOULD HAVE GONE FULL POWER FREEZA WOULD STILL HAVE BEEN BLOWN TO 12343554645 PIECES,WHY?BECAUSE KID BUU'S BLAST HAS MORE POWER IN IT THEN THE EXPLOSION OF A PLANET.THIS IS PROVE WHEN SSJ TRUNKS DESTROYS FREEZA COMPLETELY WITH A KI BLAST THAT WOULDN'T DO MUCH DAMAGE TO THE AREA,SO THE FORCE OF HIS BLAST HAD MORE POWER THEN THE EXPLOSION OF A PLANET.
And Freeza in the manga was never shown unconscious in space,that was filler,he probably still had a bit of power in him,so that's why he could survive the explosion of a planet.

So you see,ssj Goku can survive the explosion of a planet,if you can't accept this then you really don't like dbz and don't want to accept anything.

But hey if you think that Goku can't survive the explosion of a planet,then that's you're problem,I have proof backing me up that he can survive the explosion of a planet,you have no proof that he can't,so just let it go,ssj Goku can survive the explosion of a planet.

And lets just have fun,okay?No more "you're an idiot" and all that,okay?Lets just have fun,that's what these threads are for,to have fun.

 

[hippie_hunter]

You know who I think is going to win, Goku. You know who I think is going to lose, Goku. Safe bet right there.

 

[Keollyn]

Freeza survived and ssj Goku is more durable then him,so ssj Goku can survive the explosion of a planet as well.Every dbz character stronger then Freeza can survive the explosion of a planet.You should know that in dbz,when you have more power you're more durable,faster and stronger.

1. Frieza's not Kakarotto. And what Frieza survived was hardly as deadly as surviving a planet buster. And more power in DBZ does not necessarily mean more durability. Power increase tends to equal more ki. More ki equals more kil output. The villians in the DBZ world don't have the benefits of a Saiya-jin in gaining more ki through training (Frieza got more ki through transformation, Cell got more ki through merging, and Boo got more ki through merging) so they tend to have another benefit to aid this lack of development, and that is their durability (Frieza surviving with half a torso, Cell with renerative power, and Boo immune to most physical harm). Don't believe that a Saiya-jin has said durability when it hasn't been proven that they do. I doubt a Saiya-jin could survive without half their torso (like Frieza), having half their body blown off (Cell) and surviving from being blown to pieces (Boo). So you saying that Kakarotto is as durable as the previously mentioned JUST because he has more power than them if extrememly inaccurate. So therefore, use Kakarotto's feats, not someone elses



Imperfect Cell can survive the explosion of a planet,he was hit by blasts that would completely destroy Freeza,yet he didn't even had a cut,that's proof that Imperfect Cell can survive the explosion of a planet and ssj Goku as well.You have nothing to prove me wrong,when Cell made his self-destruction that could destroy planet earth he killed ssj Goku,but if Freeza would have been there he would have been blown to 1234565909876554 pieces,yet he cna survive the explosion of a planet.So you're wrong,ssj Goku can survive the explosion of a planet.
From what I've saw of Sai Goku,Goku at the end of db kills him wiht a moon busting attack,why is it so hard to accept that Goku can beat him?Non of the feats tht sai Goku shwed put him above Goku from db,so he can't beat him.

Once again, what does Cell have to do with Kakarotto? And you kind of proved yourself wrong. The explosion of Kai's planet was from a being that was Imperfect. That means he had a power that Kakarotto could match easily (as proven by Vegeta earlier). He died from such an explosion. Thus proving he cannot take a planet buster.

And you're still underestimating Seiten Taisen. First off, Seiten Taisen can't be killed, so Kid Goku can't do that. Secondly, his blast, upon reaching Seiten Taisen, WILL BE ERASED. Seiten Taisen has more raw energy than anyone in DB/Z/GT, and if you recall correct, energy IS what the Dragon Ball character rely on. You really think that just because you can blow up a moon, that you automatically win? Hardly. The moon =/= Seiten Taisen. The moon does not fight back and the moon sure as heck won't defend itself. Don't assume something you don't have an idea on.

And I'll say it again and I'll say it 100 times if you still don't understand:
SSJ GOKU IS MORE DURABLE THEN FREEZA WHO COULD SURVIVE THE EXPLOSION OF A PLANET.
IMPERFECT CELL WAS HIT BY BLASTS THAT COULD COMPLETELY DESTROY FREEZA,YE T HE DIDN'T EVEN HAD A CUT,SO IT MEANS THAT HE'S MORE DURABLE THEN FREEZA WHO COULD SURVIVE THE EXPLOSION OF A PLANET AND FPSSJ GOKU IS MORE DRUABLE THEN IMPERFECT CELL,SO HE CAN SURVIVE AS WELL,YOU SAID THAT YOU WATCHED DBZ,YET YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT IF YOU HAVE MORE POWER YOU'RE MORE DURABLE,FASTER AND STRONGER.
SSJ2 GOKU WAS DESTROYING MOUNTAINS WITH THE SHOCKWAVE OF HIS PUNCHES,DOES IT MEAN NOW THAT KID BUU CAN'T,EVEN THOUGH HE'S WAY STRONGER THEN SSJ2 GOKU?NO,HE CAN BECAUSE HE HAS MORE POWER,THE SAME THING IS WITH SSJ GOKU,HE HAS MORE POWER THEN FREEZA SO HE'S DURABLE.
NOW IF SSJ GOKU CAN SURVIVE THE EXPLOSION OF A PLANET,THEN WHY WAS MYSTIC GOHAN KILLED?WELL THTA'S BECAUSE HE WAS UNCONSCIOUS MAKING him less durable,IN DBZ WHEN YOU'RE UNCONSCIOUS YOU'RE POWER LEVEL IS LOW,SO IT MEANS THAT YOU'RE SPEED,DURABILITY ETC ARE VERY VERY LOW,SO THAT'S WHY HE WAS KILLED AND THE FACT THAT KID BUU DESTROYED THE PLANET.KID BUU'S BLAST WAS WAY WAY WAY STRONGER THEN THE EXPLOSION OF A PLANET,IF FREEZA WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE,EVEN IF HE WOULD HAVE GONE FULL POWER FREEZA WOULD STILL HAVE BEEN BLOWN TO 12343554645 PIECES,WHY?BECAUSE KID BUU'S BLAST HAS MORE POWER IN IT THEN THE EXPLOSION OF A PLANET.THIS IS PROVE WHEN SSJ TRUNKS DESTROYS FREEZA COMPLETELY WITH A KI BLAST THAT WOULDN'T DO MUCH DAMAGE TO THE AREA,SO THE FORCE OF HIS BLAST HAD MORE POWER THEN THE EXPLOSION OF A PLANET.
And Freeza in the manga was never shown unconscious in space,that was filler,he probably still had a bit of power in him,so that's why he could survive the explosion of a planet.

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1. Frieza's not Kakarotto. And what Frieza survived was hardly as deadly as surviving a planet buster. And more power in DBZ does not necessarily mean more durability. Power increase tends to equal more ki. More ki equals more kil output. The villians in the DBZ world don't have the benefits of a Saiya-jin in gaining more ki through training (Frieza got more ki through transformation, Cell got more ki through merging, and Boo got more ki through merging) so they tend to have another benefit to aid this lack of development, and that is their durability (Frieza surviving with half a torso, Cell with renerative power, and Boo immune to most physical harm). Don't believe that a Saiya-jin has said durability when it hasn't been proven that they do. I doubt a Saiya-jin could survive without half their torso (like Frieza), having half their body blown off (Cell) and surviving from being blown to pieces (Boo). So you saying that Kakarotto is as durable as the previously mentioned JUST because he has more power than them if extrememly inaccurate. So therefore, use Kakarotto's feats, not someone elses

So you see,ssj Goku can survive the explosion of a planet,if you can't accept this then you really don't like dbz and don't want to accept anything.

Why are you so intent on telling me about him surviving a planet exploding? What does this have to do with Seiten Taisen? If you read the WHOLE writeup, you'd know that Seiten Taisen has been taking in the aura of the EARTH AND SKY for centuries. You have any idea what that means? He's stronger than a planet... the same planet you keep using as your retort. And if I really want to get into it, I can say that Seiten Taisen is a spirit bomb in physical form.... only MUCH MORE STRONGER. And we all know how strong a spirit bomb has been in the DB series.

But hey if you think that Goku can't survive the explosion of a planet,then that's you're problem,I have proof backing me up that he can survive the explosion of a planet,you have no proof that he can't,so just let it go,ssj Goku can survive the explosion of a planet.

You don't have proof, you have accusation. Once you answer to me if a Saiya-jin can survive without half of their torso, then we can talk.

And lets just have fun,okay?No more "you're an idiot" and all that,okay?Lets just have fun,that's what these threads are for,to have fun.

........................ Strike!

 

[buutenks]

........................ Strike!

Sai Goku loses.

Edit:non of his feats prove that he can beat Goku at the end of db,Goku at the end of db survived an attack that leveled an island.

And for you're "can't survive the explosion of a planet",ssj2 Gohan took an attack from Super Perfect Cell that would completely destroy Freeza(who can survive the explosion of a planet),yet it didn't destroy ssj2 Gohan,so ssj2 Gohan is more durable then Freeza and he can survive the explosion of a planet.So ssj2 Goku can survive the explosion of a planet because ssj2 Goku>ssj2 Gohan,so he can as well.

Edit:it was that blast that SPC tried to kill ssj Vegeta with,if that blast would have hit Freeza,he would have been completely destroyed,yet ssj2 Gohan only got hurt at one arm,so ssj2 Gohan can survive the explosion of a planet and like I said Sai Goku didn't do any feats to put him above Goku at the end of db.

 

[Keollyn]

Sai Goku loses.

Edit:non of his feats prove that he can beat Goku at the end of db,Goku at the end of db survived an attack that leveled an island.

And for you're "can't survive the explosion of a planet",ssj2 Gohan took an attack from Super Perfect Cell that would completely destroy Freeza(who can survive the explosion of a planet),yet it didn't destroy ssj2 Gohan,so ssj2 Gohan is more durable then Freeza and he can survive the explosion of a planet.So ssj2 Goku can survive the explosion of a planet because ssj2 Goku>ssj2 Gohan,so he can as well.

Edit:it was that blast that SPC tried to kill ssj Vegeta with,if that blast would have hit Freeza,he would have been completely destroyed,yet ssj2 Gohan only got hurt at one arm,so ssj2 Gohan can survive the explosion of a planet and like I said Sai Goku didn't do any feats to put him above Goku at the end of db.

Yeah, he loses if he's NOT Seiten Taisen. I already agreed to that.

I'm not here to go back abd forth about what DB/Z/GT characters did, I'm here to find out HOW Sai Goku and DB/Z/GT Goku will fair against each other. Right now all I'm getting is durability that will not survive an onslaught from Seiten Taisen... someone who can kill IMMORTALS.

 

[buutenks]

Yeah, he loses if he's NOT Seiten Taisen. I already agreed to that.

I'm not here to go back abd forth about what DB/Z/GT characters did, I'm here to find out HOW Sai Goku and DB/Z/GT Goku will fair against each other. Right now all I'm getting is durability that will not survive an onslaught from Seiten Taisen... someone who can kill IMMORTALS.

Dude again how durable is that immortal?Does he even have an attack thta can destroy a city?Can he even hurt Goku at the end of db with one of his attacks?You need to show me some feats because from what I saw in the gaia,non of his feats put him above Goku at the end of db.

 

[Keollyn]

Once again....

- Kid Goku NEVER did any of his feats with a GREAT portion of his powers limited. You have yet to address this, and therefore, I assume you concede with this. This means that Kid Goku hasnt:

Taken a bullet to the heart while limited
Didn't fall off a mountain and showed no injury while being limited
Move AT LEAST sound speed while limited
Hold the equivalent of 5 boulders ON YOUR BODY (one being around your neck) while limited.
Knock out someone who can take a city buster with ease while limited.
Can recover from a severe beaten within 5 minutes while limited.

Basically, Kid Goku hasn't done any of HIS FEATS while being LIMITED BY A GOD. So, in truth, Sai Goku's shown to be more impressive than Kid Goku.

Now this isn't even mentioning Seiten Taisen who I keep repeating to you has the power to slay unkillables, the raw aura of the Earth and Sky for centuries (once again, you ignored this.... very much like you) and you're telling me Kid Goku is more powerful than that? So why does Kakarotto in the DBZ series need to use the spirit bomb all the time? Because he doesn't have THAT MUCH POWER. Seiten Taisen DOES.

 

[buutenks]

Once again....

- Kid Goku NEVER did any of his feats with a GREAT portion of his powers limited. You have yet to address this, and therefore, I assume you concede with this. This means that Kid Goku hasnt:

Taken a bullet to the heart while limited
Didn't fall off a mountain and showed no injury while being limited
Move AT LEAST sound speed while limited
Hold the equivalent of 5 boulders ON YOUR BODY (one being around your neck) while limited.
Knock out someone who can take a city buster with ease while limited.
Can recover from a severe beaten within 5 minutes while limited.

Basically, Kid Goku hasn't done any of HIS FEATS while being LIMITED BY A GOD. So, in truth, Sai Goku's shown to be more impressive than Kid Goku.

Dude are you nuts or something?Goku took a bullet to the head at the beginning of db and he wasn't hurt much,he was class 1,he could easily move faster than the eye could see,kid Goku killed Piccolo daimao who is a moon buster.Kid Goku survived an attack that destroyed a city.
Goku at the end of db survived an atatck that leveled an island.

Now this isn't even mentioning Seiten Taisen who I keep repeating to you has the power to slay unkillables, the raw aura of the Earth and Sky for centuries (once again, you ignored this.... very much like you) and you're telling me Kid Goku is more powerful than that? So why does Kakarotto in the DBZ series need to use the spirit bomb all the time? Because he doesn't have THAT MUCH POWER. Seiten Taisen DOES.

Dude that's a wortheless point,here we need feats and non of Sai Goku's feats put him above Goku at the end of db.Are you that much of a fanboy?
Make this fight in the CBR forums and show thses feats to every member and all of them will say that Goku beats the crap out of him and do you know why?because Goku's feats put him above Sai Goku.

 

[Keollyn]

Dude are you nuts or something?Goku took a bullet to the head at the beginning of db and he wasn't hurt much,he was class 1,he could easily move faster than the eye could see,kid Goku killed Piccolo daimao who is a moon buster.Kid Goku survived an attack that destroyed a city.
Goku at the end of db survived an atatck that leveled an island.



Dude that's a wortheless point,here we need feats and non of Sai Goku's feats put him above Goku at the end of db.Are you that much of a fanboy?
Make this fight in the CBR forums and show thses feats to every member and all of them will say that Goku beats the crap out of him and do you know why?because Goku's feats put him above Sai Goku.

You're ONCE AGAIN ignoring my key point. It's like you're intentionally ignoring it because you have no way of countering it. I said.... and i repeat.... GOKU DID ALL THAT, SURVIVED ALL THAT, AND ACCOMPLISHED ALL OF THAT... are you ready for this.... AT LIMITED POWER . Here, how about I give you the link again since you can't seem to understand MY words.

http://www.gaiaonline.com/gaia/redi...m/piczir/d/DarkAeon/301209/darkaeondogqql.jpg

You see? Limited power and not just a normal limit... a limit put on by GOD HIMSELF.

Actually, you're the fanboy. I've yet to see you retort Seiten Taisen having a greater energy than that of a spirit bomb. You also ignore the part when I said that Seiten Taisen can erase a ki blast. You seem to have nothing but "Gohan did this, Cell did that, Frieza survived this" At least with me, I'm using the actual character in question, not somebody else.