GR Fight Scenes

[FlameHead]

Yeah, I think you're right on that. I'm only remembering the recent footage right now but I do remember MSJ talkin' about gloves as some point.

Either way, I wanna see some bareknuckle hellfire fist fighting.

Do you guys want Blackheart to be as the same strength s o it makes for alot cooler fights

Or should he be the tpye to have others do his dirty work

So havent read alot about Blackheart

but i liked Flamehead's idea for GR, he should be a brutal mother ****er@!

Yeah, I'd definatly like to see GR and BlackHeart as equal strength... or maybe even BH a little stronger. Again, I wanna see GR get his ass beat a few times only to get up and keep going.

I also like the idea of BH having an army as well. The more they through at Ghost Rider, the better.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Ghost Rider not killing people is not really mercy. In fact he gives his enemies something far worse than death...torturous pain. Flamehead...has there been any times in the comics where any of his enemies actually begged to die?

 

[FlameHead]

Well, there's Suicide. His whole thing was trying to get Ghost Rider to kill him because he thought GR was the only one who could. Great story actually. Great character.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Hmm. I might need to check that out. In fact I think I need to start reading some GR comics again. I just read comics here and there when I was younger.

 

[FlameHead]

Well, that story is from the Dan Ketch days, which everyone knows is my fav. I'm about to read my run of his again soon. Just waiting on another hole to be filled. Damn holes.

 

[the Firestarter]

never read the comics. did ghost rider fight mostly demons or mortal men?

 

[Uncanny Orb]

The original GR fought alot of ordinary guys and I mean ordinary, like bikers and bank robbers. He also met some super natural dudes like Death. The second GR was more of a traditional superhero when it came to enemies.

 

[str8raz0r]

As far as the "not killing" angle, everyone needs to remember the lovely hole of the PG-13 rating: "creature violence."

Basically, if it's non-anthropomorphic, you can mess it up something fierce without pushing into R territory. Alien Versus Predator had some pretty brutal bits for PG-13 because of this.

I have a feeling that BH, Wallow, and Abigor have some gooey moments of pain against them, and it makes me ****ing giddy!

 

[Mr Nick]

As far as the "not killing" angle, everyone needs to remember the lovely hole of the PG-13 rating: "creature violence."

Basically, if it's non-anthropomorphic, you can mess it up something fierce without pushing into R territory. Alien Versus Predator had some pretty brutal bits for PG-13 because of this.

I have a feeling that BH, Wallow, and Abigor have some gooey moments of pain against them, and it makes me ****ing giddy!

Ha. Good point. GR pulverising Blackheart into a puddle of black jelly would be sweet. I'm sure he did that in one of the comics or was it in the Hearts of Darkness graphic novel?

 

[str8raz0r]

Ha. Good point. GR pulverising Blackheart into a puddle of black jelly would be sweet. I'm sure he did that in one of the comics or was it in the Hearts of Darkness graphic novel?

He got pretty pulpy in Hearts of Darkness. Sure, he got re-combobulated by Mephisto, but it was pretty messy regardless.

 

[FlameHead]

Yeah, it was awesome to see Ghost Rider take off his gloves and give BH a nice few hellfire fist punches. Great stuff!

 

[NDX]

Yeah, it was awesome to see Ghost Rider take off his gloves and give BH a nice few hellfire fist punches. Great stuff!

That is one of the best fight scenes I have ever read. I remember reading it the first time and wanting Rider to do it more and more in the comics. And then Valez, Jr. has Rider making a joke of offering to light a cigarette with his thumb to a villain. The former is much better.

 

[FlameHead]

Yeah, I always wondered why they didn't run with that item with the gloveless fighting. I thought it was brilliant.

 

[Uncanny Orb]

There's only 2 acts of violence I really hope to see, him put his fist through someone or some creature, and someone get dragged off behind the bike. But you can bet your ass the jail scene will be a cool fight scene.

 

[str8raz0r]

There's only 2 acts of violence I really hope to see, him put his fist through someone or some creature, and someone get dragged off behind the bike. But you can bet your ass the jail scene will be a cool fight scene.

One thing that kinda stuck with me that was in Goyer's original (very flawed) script was the image of GR punching a "flaming fist" through some guy's skull. I don't see why they can't give us some "creature violence" love here and give us some gooeyness.

As far as the jail scene, I want either knock-down, drag-out brawl, or something more subtle and darkly humorous, like the guard coming back to find Blaze in the middle of a bunch of gibbering inmates who suffered the penance stare.

 

[armitage16]

I can't think of anything for Ghost Rider fight scenes.

I wish he would be a killer. But no...It's PG-13. So I guess we'll have PG-13 fighting sequences in which a spiked biker with a flaming skull beat people up but does not kill them.

I mean, he Penance Stare their asses or kill them. That would have worked better then a PG-13 rating.

I'm getting tired of hearing this complaint. Almost every comic book movie to date has been PG-13, and there has been plenty of action and violence in them. Also, the original comic book would have been the eqivalent of around PG-13 and even PG at times. It's not Ghost Rider's way to eviscerate and physically torture people.

Ghost Rider's approach is mostly emotional. Although he does use hellfire in the Blaze Ghost Rider comics, the movie's Ghost Rider is more like Ketch's, which means we can expect to see him beat people with a chain and, of course, use the penance stare. There's no reason for the movie to be R. An R rating would run the risk of turning it into Blade, and I don't think anyone wants to see that happen.

 

[zer00]

cause....Blade...was bad?

 

[armitage16]

Granted, Blade was not the worst comic book movie ever made--really it was just Blade 2 that was particularly bad--but it was far too focused on spilling guts and not on whose guts were being spilled and why. Even "how" was sort of neglected as they imbellished in overdone action movie methods and cliches. If they wanted to focus on violence, they should have made the violence interesting at the very least.

 

[zer00]

Yes you have no opinion,

 

[armitage16]

That's funny. You can't seem to find an opinion of mine, and yet if you would just scroll up a post you'd see it clearly printed there. Peculiar...

 

[zer00]

You're not allowed to have one. Now be gone.

 

[armitage16]

Because I insulted Blade 2? Wow, that's...amazing. I never thought anyone could get so defensive over Blade 2. That's...wow. Anyway, I won't be driven away just because you can't deal with discussion like an adult. Not everyone likes the same things. Accept it and grow up.

 

[zer00]

Failed

 

[armitage16]

Returning to the original topic, I was once enthused to see the addition of the Skinner in Goyer's script (though I'm really glad they didn't go with that one with its "more urban, contemporary origin" for Johnny Blaze) and would still like to see Ghost Rider fight someone on Skinner's level of badassedness. Of course, GR and Blackheart still sounds promising.

 

[FlameHead]

Armitage16, when you get the know Zero, you'll understand his way. It's more humor than anything so, keep that in mind.

As for B2; I think it's fantastic. B3 is what pisses me off more than I can really talk about without feeling pains in my head.