Grant Morrison: I still don't get it

[Mystirious]

Bah, Leo Quintum was

 

[Assassin]

He was too hax and perfect, he was Richards + Lex + Atom + Steven Hawking all into one, etc. With so many powers and good traits, there is no room for other superheroes. So its not my Superman either, but its a version that encompasses every other version that we've had so far, and tells the ultimate Superman story if you like.

And if you get the messages of the story, everything that Morrison is saying about Superman, how can you not love the story? Besides, i enjoy some more crazy stories every now and then. Hax Superman, Lex with temporary powers, all the crazy science that Superman does, the Titanic in the Fortress, its just Morrison with his imagination going balls to the wall. It was epic!

I alread read an epic Superman story like that though, it's called What ever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow

 

[Mystirious]

I alread read an epic Superman story like that though, it's called What ever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow

whatever happened to the man of tomorrow? was pretty fab

 

[Mr. Earle]

it had donny osmond in his amazing technicolor dreamcoat, i don't even need to go further.

There an explanation for his coat, its symbolic. But you need to figure out whats going on with Leo Quintum first.

Also, why so serious?

 

[Assassin]

There an explanation for his coat, its symbolic. But you need to figure out whats going on with Leo Quintum first.

Also, why so serious?

i read the whole thing, i didn't like it both times.

 

[Mr. Earle]

i read the whole thing, i didn't like it both times.

You read it, but did you get it?

[BLACKOUT]Leo = future Lex [/BLACKOUT]

 

[Assassin]

You read it, but did you get it?

[BLACKOUT]Leo = future Lex [/BLACKOUT]

Spoiler

yes. from th emoment i saw him i figured he was a clone or something and by the end i was close. red curly hair always gives it away.

i'm not gonna lie, i really liked the last 2 issues, i just didn't like it as a whole.
also, didn't know Christina Hendricks is lois in the DTV

 

[Mr. Earle]

Spoiler

yes. from th emoment i saw him i figured he was a clone or something and by the end i was close. red curly hair always gives it away.

i'm not gonna lie, i really liked the last 2 issues, i just didn't like it as a whole.
also, didn't know Christina Hendricks is lois in the DTV

His hair was blond and straight, but the hair is not important anyway. The jacket (in my opinion at least) symbolizes what Lex saw when he saw the world the way Superman does and had that heart stopping moment: Every little molecule, the whole spectrum of light and sound, etc.

 

[Assassin]

haha i just checked, it was blonde. alexander from smallville is ****ing with my head. this is my fav scene.

 

[Mr. Earle]

 

[SpideyInATree]

I'm not really much of a Superman fan. The character is always a hard sell for me but I thought All Star Superman was freakin' awesome. I also enjoyed Superman Secret Origins a lot too. However, much of the other Superman stuff out there I really don't care for.

 

[Drz]

haha i just checked, it was blonde. alexander from smallville is ****ing with my head.

Leo is Leo. Nothing more than that. He represents the good in people, not redemption.

I'm not really much of a Superman fan. The character is always a hard sell for me but I thought All Star Superman was freakin' awesome. I also enjoyed Superman Secret Origins a lot too. However, much of the other Superman stuff out there I really don't care for.

Ah so Johns' origin was good stuff? =)

 

[SpideyInATree]

I liked it. I generally like Johns' writing and the Gary Frank art was a plus and they sucked me in on the first issue.

 

[Assassin]

DRZ you're wrong, sosososo wrong. Leo is Lex. even the reason why he took the name Leo all point to redemption.

 

[Assassin]

DRZ you're wrong, sosososo wrong. Leo is Lex. even the reason why he took the name Leo all point to redemption.

 

[Drz]

DRZ you're wrong, sosososo wrong. Leo is Lex. even the reason why he took the name Leo all point to redemption.

Ah yeah i'm totally wrong when Grant Morrison told that Leo Quintum is a man of good:
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/100823-Morrison-Superman3.html

Newsarama: I’d like to know a little more about Leo Quintum and his role in the story. He seems like a bit of an outgrowth of the likes of Project Cadmus and Emil Hamilton, but in a more fantastical, Willy Wonka sense.
Grant Morrison: Yeah, he was exactly as you say, my attempt to create an updated take on the character of “Superman’s scientist friend” – in the vein of Emil Hamilton from the animated show and the ‘90s stories. Science so often goes wrong in Superman stories, and I thought it was important to show the potential for science to go right or to be elevated by contact with Superman’s shining positive spirit.
I was thinking of Quintum as a kind of “Man Who Fell To Earth” character with a mysterious unearthly background. For a while I toyed with the notion that he was some kind of avatar of Lightray of the New Gods, but as All Star developed, that didn’t fit the tone, and he was allowed to simply be himself.
Eventually it just came down to simplicity. Leo Quintum represents the “good” scientific spirit – the rational, enlightened, progressive, utopian kind of scientist I figured Superman might inspire to greatness. It was interesting to me how so many people expected Quintum to turn out bad at the end. It shows how conditioned we are in our miserable, self–loathing, suspicious society to expect the worst of everyone, rather than hope for the best. Or maybe it’s just what we expect from stories.


Having said that, there is indeed a necessary whiff of Lucifer about Quintum. His name, Leo Quintum, conjures images of solar force, lions and lightbringers and he has elements of the classic Trickster figure about him. He even refers to himself as “The Devil Himself” in issue #10.

Clearly fan theory > Grant Morrison's own words. Whats next you're gonna tell me? That Gail Simone can handle critism?

 

[Assassin]

He is a man of good, but he's also Lex Luthor gone good. If he isn't Lex Luthor then this book is worst than I thought it was because the last 2 issues were the only things I liked about it.

 

[Drz]

Lex Luthor would be a man of redemption then, striving for good. You don't see any hints or implies on that.

Morrison > fan theory.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Ah yeah i'm totally wrong when Grant Morrison told that Leo Quintum is a man of good:
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/100823-Morrison-Superman3.html
Clearly fan theory > Grant Morrison's own words. Whats next you're gonna tell me? That Gail Simone can handle critism?

For one, he doesn't really deny that Leo is Lex. What in what he says disproves that Leo could be Lex from the future. Secondly, it's not possible at all that he left it ambiguous enough to pick up on even without committing to it, and three, it's not possible that maybe he let the idea slip in there without realizing because he subconsciously liked the idea even if he didn't necessarily mean to write it that way? Or are we meant to be slaves to the intentional fallacy?

 

[fifthfiend]

Is there anything in the book to indicate that Quintum is Lex, other than they both do science?

 

[Tron Bonne]

Is there anything in the book to indicate that Quintum is Lex, other than they both do science?

There was some blogs and such that people have posted that examine it, and I think there's enough weight to it to think it's a possibility. I'm don't think it's meant to be 100% for sure personally, but I think it's there's at least a little more than just synergy from the text itself.

 

[Drz]

Is there anything in the book to indicate that Quintum is Lex, other than they both do science?

Basically Lex has a super-monkey named Leopold, this is where the name Leo would come. Leo also has glasses and hair to disguise himself, among with the bright color costume thats suppose to be symbolism to whatever.

Then you got Morrison stating that Leo is simply the good sciene friend of Superman, who is franchising and norming the ideal of Superman. Really this seems to be almost an "recurring" theme sorta. Mutants become a culture, Batman becomes Incorporated and the Superman family makes its own league of Supermen from different timelines.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Basically Lex has a super-monkey named Leopold, this is where the name Leo would come. Leo also has glasses and hair to disguise himself, among with the bright color costume thats suppose to be symbolism to whatever.

Then you got Morrison stating that Leo is simply the good sciene friend of Superman, who is franchising and norming the ideal of Superman. Really this seems to be almost an "recurring" theme sorta. Mutants become a culture, Batman becomes Incorporated and the Superman family makes its own league of Supermen from different timelines.

Does he?

Having said that, there is indeed a necessary whiff of Lucifer about Quintum. His name, Leo Quintum, conjures images of solar force, lions and lightbringers and he has elements of the classic Trickster figure about him. He even refers to himself as “The Devil Himself” in issue #10.

Are Tricksters ever simply anything?

 

[Drz]

Does he?

Yep he states his name and talks about Leo being a good character, not a man thriving for personal redemption or anything. We don't need redemption or guilt to make us do good acts. Leo is simply a good scientist who wanted to help out of cheer kindness.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Even if he's not a character thriving for personal redemption now, why couldn't he have been at one point? Or better yet, why can't he be both? And he doesn't really say he's just a good character anyway, just that he represents "good" aspects of science, why does that void the idea?

Aslo in the very interview you posted, as well in my post you quoted, he also refers to Leo as having a 'bit of the ol' Trickster in him'. You don't find that at least hinting there's more to this character than just this one dimensional stereotype of 'good scientist'? When are good Tricksters ever so simple?