Hancock

[dark_b]

i didnt know that. i thought that hancock was from the beginning a R movie.

 

[Midnight Black]

I don't know about that. It seems to me when they are away from each other they "reset" in every way. If Hancock was around so they could age, I believe they would reset back to the age that they are now.

Actually, if you think about it they don't reset all the way when they are apart from each other. Unlike Milo and Hayden in Heroes they do not fully recover or heal from their wounds or injuries.

Example: 1) When Charlize showed Hancock the wounds from over the years when humans tried to hurt them. 2) Hancock's brain not able to heal itself from the amnesia caused by the blow to his head when he was with Charlize in Miami in the 20s.

They can heal quickly when they are away from each other and are immortal, but when they are together their body's retain any injury or natural aging/dying that affects humans.

If it didn't he wouldn't have had scars or amnesia!

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Just got back from seeing Hancock, and i honestly dont know what the critics are on about once again when it comes to a Will Smith movie. I, Robot, I Am Legend and now Hancock all never got the best reviews (Hancock got the worst out of all of them) and yet i have thoroughly enjoyed them all, and i thoroughly enjoyed Hancock.

The first half IMO was a great parody of superhero movies, with Hancock saving the day but often making things ten times worse than they could have been, the humor is great and Hancock's attitude and the witty script make for some laugh out loud moments, and the movie just takes a turn for the evengreater when Jason Bateman's character comes into it. He is a great character and one who we truly empathise with because he wants to make a difference to the world and to Hancock's life. And of course, the story unfolds from there, with the main 3 cast members (Smith, Bateman and Theron) all superb in their respective rolls. Through Bateman, we actually start feeling for Hancock also, culminating in a great superhero movie moment when Hancock is released from prison and manages to save the day, receiving the applause of the watching crowd.

Then the big twist happens, and the movie makes a dramatic turn, which many people seem to have a problem with, but i thought it was great, SH movies like Ghost Rider and the FF movies have proven that too much humor in a movie is a turnoff, so i was glad when things became a little more dramatised and we really got into the mythology of Hancock himself, which i really enjoyed watching and listening too. Now the big twist didnt shock me, because i stupidly (and typically for me) read a lot of spoilers on the movie, but it didnt hinder my enjoyment of the movie at all.

There were a few plot-holes of course, if, when Hancock and you know who if you've seen it are close together they lose their powers, how were they able to fight for so long? The movie was obviously cut to hell as well in the editing, which did effect the movie somewhat, its obvious a better movie is somewere on the cutting room floor and hopefully we will see that movie on DVD.

But overall, still a very enjoyable movie, and one i hope to see extended and then follow up on with a sequel in the near future. The score was great also. This is the 2nd time this year that IMO, the critics just got it plain wrong, they slated Rambo and Hancock, and both IMO simply dont deserve it.

8/10 for me.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Here's my review for my blog. It does contain spoilers. I gave it 7/10. The second half was rather flawed.

http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/2008/07/will-smith-brings-charm-and-he.html

Just to answer one of the questions in the review, i believe you asked what Hancock was doing before his amnesia, Mary explained that they had been together, so Hancock was vulnerable, i doubt he was doing any superheroics then, she explained that people always wanted to get at Hancock through hurting her, thats why over the ages he got all those scars, from the times he saved her.

She told him he was built for saving people, thats why at the end he embraces his destiny and leaves.

 

[Midnight Black]

Thank you! Some one get this man a donut and coffee, he knows what he is talking about!!!

p.s. Anyone want to do an Avy for me?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Thank you! Some one get this man a donut and coffee, he knows what he is talking about!!!

Ha ha, just making myself a coffee now, but i'll still take the donut!

p.s. Anyone want to do an Avy for me?

Dont have a clue how to do them, sorry, try Rezzo or Hunter Rider.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Just to answer one of the questions in the review, i believe you asked what Hancock was doing before his amnesia, Mary explained that they had been together, so Hancock was vulnerable, i doubt he was doing any superheroics then, she explained that people always wanted to get at Hancock through hurting her, thats why over the ages he got all those scars, from the times he saved her.

She told him he was built for saving people, thats why at the end he embraces his destiny and leaves.

see this part doesn't exactly make sense. in order for people to use Mary as bait so to speak, in order to "get to hancock" that would mean they'd have to be together... they'd have to be mortal. So.... unless it's just human on human rage among people out to get hancock... that doesn't quite add up to me. People couldn't of been after them for being a super.. which then begs the question... why is it everytime there together they suffer bad luck and Mary gets hurt?

 

[War Party]

The movie was a mess. I was enjoying all the scenes when Hancock was a drunk and being destructive, but when he went straight, it just got boring and the film lost its identity. It didn't know what kind of movie it wanted to be, so it seemed like there were three little films in one big one. Will Smith was good, along with Theron. The stuff with the bank robber was poorly handled and the twist seemed to be unnecessary. I thought it was kind of stupid. The story itself seems to be a great concept, but I thought it was executed rather poorly. Sorry, I usually write better reviews, but whatever.

4/10

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

see this part doesn't exactly make sense. in order for people to use Mary as bait so to speak, in order to "get to hancock" that would mean they'd have to be together... they'd have to be mortal. So.... unless it's just human on human rage among people out to get hancock... that doesn't quite add up to me. People couldn't of been after them for being a super.. which then begs the question... why is it everytime there together they suffer bad luck and Mary gets hurt?

To me it made total sense, they could either be just the victims of random bad acts of voilence (Dont forget Hancock is black, they could even have all been racist attacks), but the way Mary explained it, it was people trying to get back at Hancock for his super-heroics in the past, just as the other guys did at the hospital. Throughout his life it seems he has been a super-hero on and off, but has to give it up once he finds Mary (or whatever her past names were), but that doesnt mean he wont suffer repercussions for it. Look at all of the prisoners he put in jail, eventually a lot of them are going to get out, and want to get back at Hancock, it seemed to me this is what happened in the past, the only difference being that now, Hancock has chosen to become a hero rather than become mortal.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

To me it made total sense, they could either be just the victims of random bad acts of voilence (Dont forget Hancock is black, they could even have all been racist attacks), but the way Mary explained it, it was people trying to get back at Hancock for his super-heroics in the past, just as the other guys did at the hospital. Throughout his life it seems he has been a super-hero on and off, but has to give it up once he finds Mary (or whatever her past names were), but that doesnt mean he wont suffer repercussions for it. Look at all of the prisoners he put in jail, eventually a lot of them are going to get out, and want to get back at Hancock, it seemed to me this is what happened in the past, the only difference being that now, Hancock has chosen to become a hero rather than become mortal.

ahh, but here's the kicker... they've been alive hundreds of years... even before heavy black racism. You'd think if people went after them for there powers and him being a super (like the jail villains, in the movie) then the world would have known about him for far earlier then the early 1900's.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

ahh, but here's the kicker... they've been alive hundreds of years... even before heavy black racism. You'd think if people went after them for there powers and him being a super (like the jail villains, in the movie) then the world would have known about him for far earlier then the early 1900's.

How could they though, there were no T.V camera's etc back then and back then he knew who he was, so i doubt he did things in the public spotlight as much. As i said, its probably always been villains trying to get back at him all his life, it just so happens that a lot of those times he ended up with Mary. It was heavily implied in the movie they are drawn to each other, so its possible in the past that he has put many villains away before he gets together with Mary, but every time suffers the consequences for it. Remember fate plays a big part also.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

How could they though, there were no T.V camera's etc back then and back then he knew who he was, so i doubt he did things in the public spotlight as much. As i said, its probably always been villains trying to get back at him all his life, it just so happens that a lot of those times he ended up with Mary. It was heavily implied in the movie they are drawn to each other, so its possible in the past that he has put many villains away before he gets together with Mary, but every time suffers the consequences for it. Remember fate plays a big part also.

if he wasn't in a spotlight.. then how did people everytime they were together go after him? I mean he couldn't be that cautious with his powers in order for that. And word of mouth has always been around. U'd think there would be legends about him... and im not just talking about the "god" ones... there should be modern legends about him as well. it's not heavy implied that there drawn together.. its flat out told.

i think though there was a good chance that at least the hit to the head in the early 1900's probably was race related... and not a super villain. after all you'd think they would have finished the job

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

if he wasn't in a spotlight.. then how did people everytime they were together go after him? I mean he couldn't be that cautious with his powers in order for that. And word of mouth has always been around. U'd think there would be legends about him... and im not just talking about the "god" ones... there should be modern legends about him as well. it's not heavy implied that there drawn together.. its flat out told.

Just because he wasnt in the spotlight doesnt mean that villains he stopped wouldnt have seen his face, i'm pretty sure you would remember someone like that, it wouldnt need media exposure, etc. Back then it was a lot easier to get away with crime and escape from jail, if you were a criminal, the first thing you would do is seek revenge on whoever put in jail in the first place.

In the past, he may have used his powers more subtly as well, like Superman does when he is Clark sometimes, and if Mary can hide it for so long today, i doubt Hancock would have had a problem 100 + years ago.

i think though there was a good chance that at least the hit to the head in the early 1900's probably was race related... and not a super villain. after all you'd think they would have finished the job

It could easily have been race related, as for them not finishing the job, Mary may still have had some power at the time and chased them off, then left herself, she would have had to leave in a hurry for him to heal anyway, and at the end Hancock still had power left to fight off some of the criminals, so its plausible she had some power left. Also it seems they did finish the job, wasnt it stated that he would have died if she hadnt left him at the time.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Just because he wasnt in the spotlight doesnt mean that villains he stopped wouldnt have seen his face, i'm pretty sure you would remember someone like that, it wouldnt need media exposure, etc. Back then it was a lot easier to get away with crime and escape from jail, if you were a criminal, the first thing you would do is seek revenge on whoever put in jail in the first place.

In the past, he may have used his powers more subtly as well, like Superman does when he is Clark sometimes, and if Mary can hide it for so long today, i doubt Hancock would have had a problem 100 + years ago.



It could easily have been race related, as for them not finishing the job, Mary may still have had some power at the time and chased them off, then left herself, she would have had to leave in a hurry for him to heal anyway, and at the end Hancock still had power left to fight off some of the criminals, so its plausible she had some power left. Also it seems they did finish the job, wasnt it stated that he would have died if she hadnt left him at the time.

possibly... but still it's not explained and imo i found his past very interesting and truely wish it was explained more. It's bad enough there "god" comparisons don't even make sense.... Mary was known as Isis and Artemis. if you know anything about mythology, you know those 2 gods are very different. And her powers don't seem that of those gods nature either. I just found there past half assed. I just wish it was more thought out and explained.

As for Mary possibly having power after the mugging... she wouldnt have. The 2 had been living together in florida... which would mean mortality. After all the pairs all have a history of being drawn together.. and there race had all died out due to there attraction (which honestly doesnt make much sense either considering if they were all known as gods, each of there race would have to be far apart from the other (unless the pairs that were made together, are the only ones effected) but all the greek/roman gods were a very disfunctional, yet tight nit group.) So due to there race dying of mortal life (wounds, age, etc) from spending time with there pair. Mary would have been mortal at the time as well.

 

[Varient]

Oh well.

I'm missing it.

Based on the movie,... even when they become Mortal,.... they are "tougher" than human norm,.. (You get shot multiple times then jump thru a window,.. fall six stories, bounce off two cars and a bus THEN get up?)

And since your powers are based on the inverse of distance from your other,.. Regeneration comes online immedietly just by seperating the two by what? 100 yards?

Hancock could first leap hundreds of feet after that,.. and on the third leap away,.. flight returned and he flew off.

Knowing nothing but the movie,.. I'd say that:
Invulnerability is the first to go and the last to return in the powerset.
and
Regeneration is the Last to go and the first to return in the powerset.

Comments?


V.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

possibly... but still it's not explained and imo i found his past very interesting and truely wish it was explained more. It's bad enough there "god" comparisons don't even make sense.... Mary was known as Isis and Artemis. if you know anything about mythology, you know those 2 gods are very different. And her powers don't seem that of those gods nature either. I just found there past half assed. I just wish it was more thought out and explained.

That part didnt bother me to be honest, its a movie after all.

As for Mary possibly having power after the mugging... she wouldnt have. The 2 had been living together in florida... which would mean mortality. After all the pairs all have a history of being drawn together.. and there race had all died out due to there attraction (which honestly doesnt make much sense either considering if they were all known as gods, each of there race would have to be far apart from the other (unless the pairs that were made together, are the only ones effected) but all the greek/roman gods were a very disfunctional, yet tight nit group.) So due to there race dying of mortal life (wounds, age, etc) from spending time with there pair. Mary would have been mortal at the time as well.

Hancock still had some power left in the hospital, and they had been around each other a lot by then, its possible she had some left at the time, or its possible that the police/ambulence arrived before the people had a chance to finish Hancock off, or as i said earlier, they thought he was finished off, if Mary wouldnt have left his died, he would have died from a cracked skull.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Oh well.

I'm missing it.

Based on the movie,... even when they become Mortal,.... they are "tougher" than human norm,.. (You get shot multiple times then jump thru a window,.. fall six stories, bounce off two cars and a bus THEN get up?)

And since your powers are based on the inverse of distance from your other,.. Regeneration comes online immedietly just by seperating the two by what? 100 yards?

Hancock could first leap hundreds of feet after that,.. and on the third leap away,.. flight returned and he flew off.

Knowing nothing but the movie,.. I'd say that:
Invulnerability is the first to go and the last to return in the powerset.
and
Regeneration is the Last to go and the first to return in the powerset.

Comments?


V.

see in the movie they weren't really together long enough... and the farther apart the more there abilities return. Spending a long time together with your pair makes it that much longer to "recharge" at least thats how i understood it. Which would explain there "coming and going" of abilities.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

That part didnt bother me to be honest, its a movie after all.

sorry, but thats a very poor excuse in my book , and an insult on my intelligence.

Hancock still had some power left in the hospital, and they had been around each other a lot by then, its possible she had some left at the time, or its possible that the police/ambulence arrived before the people had a chance to finish Hancock off, or as i said earlier, they thought he was finished off, if Mary wouldnt have left his died, he would have died from a cracked skull.

not really.. hancock was always coming and going. not living with her like he was in the past. Though her leaving so he could heal... does make sense.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I haven't seen this movie, but you guys are making my head hurt.

Vague History button, PRESS IT!!!!!t:

 

[Varient]

see in the movie they weren't really together long enough... and the farther apart the more there abilities return. Spending a long time together with your pair makes it that much longer to "recharge" at least thats how i understood it. Which would explain there "coming and going" of abilities.

Well "Part two":

She did marvel at how the power loss was happening much faster at a much sharper "angle" than it had before.

Based on that,.. I'd say that in the past the bleed off of abilities was much slower and probably required more time together or apart.

They don't explain "why" it's a faster / sharper drop off but they do demonstrte it.

V.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Well "Part two":

She did marvel at how the power loss was happening much faster at a much sharper "angle" than it had before.

Based on that,.. I'd say that in the past the bleed off of abilities was much slower and probably required more time together or apart.

They don't explain "why" it's a faster / sharper drop off but they do demonstrte it.

V.

not sure why it'd happen faster.. but still living together for a while would still make them mortal, and i'd bet the longer together, the slower the recharge

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

sorry, but thats a very poor excuse in my book , and an insult on my intelligence.

The thing is in the version i saw, they mentioned nothing about names as far as i remember, didnt you see an earlier version which had less cuts? So it wasnt an issue in the screening i saw.

not really.. hancock was always coming and going. not living with her like he was in the past. Though her leaving so he could heal... does make sense.

Hancock wasnt always coming and going, he still had immense strength left in the hospital, he flung a hospital bed like it was a spoon and they are HEAVY, and he was right next to Mary when he did it. She left after initial attack 80 years ago so he could heal so heal, and so he wouldnt die, he returned the favour in the hospital at the end.

 

[carrrnuttt]

ahh, but here's the kicker... they've been alive hundreds of years... even before heavy black racism. You'd think if people went after them for there powers and him being a super (like the jail villains, in the movie) then the world would have known about him for far earlier then the early 1900's.

I would assume that they, and those of their kind, have been the various "gods" of different cultures throughout time. As for your argument that Isis and Artemis are two very different gods; Although this might be true, people can view the same thing very differently. The Sun was considered a god also, and you can see how many forms Sun Gods have taken in various cultures throughout history, but all are based on the same object.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Oh well.

I'm missing it.

Based on the movie,... even when they become Mortal,.... they are "tougher" than human norm,.. (You get shot multiple times then jump thru a window,.. fall six stories, bounce off two cars and a bus THEN get up?)

And since your powers are based on the inverse of distance from your other,.. Regeneration comes online immedietly just by seperating the two by what? 100 yards?

Hancock could first leap hundreds of feet after that,.. and on the third leap away,.. flight returned and he flew off.

Knowing nothing but the movie,.. I'd say that:
Invulnerability is the first to go and the last to return in the powerset.
and
Regeneration is the Last to go and the first to return in the powerset.

Comments?


V.

I'd say it was more that both invulnerability and regeneration went at the same time, if regeneration was still there, neither of them would have had to be seen to at the hospital.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I haven't seen this movie, but you guys are making my head hurt.

Vague History button, PRESS IT!!!!!t:

Sorry but am loving this conversation, 2 people with different views discussing the movie WITHOUT insulting each other. I wish more threads were like this.