Harry Knowle's review is up

[Speedball]

Bottom line .... ONE day before the release AICN decide to flood the site with Negative reviews.

This is the final **** you to Ratner and X3 that most could see coming from a mile away.

I have seen X3 .... Its easily as good as X1 and not far behind X2 ..... It is NOT a disaster.

Harry and the gang are simply doing what they do best ... trying to use this 'power' they think they have to undermine a director and his work.

Exactly, they must have a vendetta against Ratner. I personally never had a problem with ratner. well, now i have a vendetta against AICN. anyone with me?

 

[3 Dev Adam]

Well, obviously the movie is already on P2... nevermind.

Yes. The movie IS rushed. There ARE plotholes and loose ends. There ARE slow moments. There ARE stupid moments.

But in toto, it's a fun ride. And that´s all I ask.

I´m going to watch it on the big screen. Twice, even three times. And buy the DVD. That´s certain.

 

[AcidTWister]

I think Harry went in expecting something he should've known he wasn't going to get.

When it takes three films for one character to fly, when three should've been flying from the start.... a movie at this level is to be expected.

When comic based family relationships are completely ignored for the movie's story's sake, a movie like this is to be expected.

When your first two movies are basically the same movie, in reverse, minus two villains, a movie like this is to be expected.



If you have watched X-men, and X2, then you should know (unless you weren't paying attention) that these movies are a very blatant cash-in on a name. It's a very pretty cash-in, and a very well-done (filmwise) cash-in, but a cash-in nonetheless. They're ignorant of comic book relationships, ignorant of several mutants' powers (gg rogue sucking powers and never actually being able to use them in the films for three movies). they basically just took the characters we all know and love, then created their own universe, their own relationships, and their own timeline of how/when people get to REALLY use their powers. if you paid attention at all during the last two films you would know that cyclops is NOT a main character in these movies, while storm got built upon in 2, and thus got built upon more in 3. if you paid attention to these movies, should it really surprise you that iceman's icing up was used for a single move that was shown in the TV spots, and that we never actually get to see phoenix force? if you paid attention in the last few movies, should it realy surprise you that wolverine is a gag character, and that he's FAR from his R-rated comic book character?

if you answered yes to any of those... you obviously weren't paying attention, because all of those things that he complained about in his review have BEEN happening, since X1, "Bub", just with different characters.

 

[wobbly]

Well, but for a few additions on details Harry could have written almost exactly the same thing after the script leak review last year..in fact he did, didn't he?
Been clear for while he was so annoyed at Singer's departure (who can do no wrong in his eyes) and at Fox/Rothman in general, that he wasn't gonna give this film much of a chance no matter what. Not that I don't agree with a few of his points, mainly in how the Phoenix saga should have ideally been done, but going in with such a obviously negative mind-set aint gonna help you enjoy what is offered in the end.

Oh well, I'll be seeing the pic Friday afternoon, will make up my own mind then.

 

[Iceman]

Well, but for a few additions on details Harry could have written almost exactly the same thing after the script leak review last year..in fact he did, didn't he?
Been clear for while he was so annoyed at Singer's departure (who can do no wrong in his eyes) and at Fox/Rothman in general, that he wasn't gonna give this film much of a chance no matter what. Not that I don't agree with a few of his points, mainly in how the Phoenix saga should have ideally been done, but going in with such a obviously negative mind-set aint gonna help you enjoy what is offered in the end.

Oh well, I'll be seeing the pic Friday afternoon, will make up my own mind then.

Despite the fact that Harry must have gone into that X3 screening with a ridiculous amount of preconceived ideas on what he was about to see, the review does sound genuine to me.

 

[Kurosawa]

For comic fans – Phoenix and the Phoenix saga isn’t just any story. It’s one of THE Marvel stories. This isn’t a plastic gumball ring of a story, this is the Tiffany’s Diamond Engagement ring. A story you either chose to tell in some sort of complete form… or not at all. That I never get to see the Phoenix force. That I never see the tormenting of her character, the confusion and mind-****ing of her. That we never see the scope of her abilities. That we never fully get to see the depth of her love with Cyclops. That all of that isn’t even really touched on. That she goes from resurrection to goon to the end… is just unforgivable. I truly truly truly hate how they treated it.

This is the most accurate analysis of this cluster**** I've read yet.

 

[TheVileOne]

I read the review and I haven't seen anything different thatn what I have read on this board. I was a little suprised that he didn't badmouth Ratner(and there would be no reason) but his review isn't as pessimistic as I thought it would be.

Because God forbid that Harry is an X-men fan and *GASP* LOVES THE LAST TWO MOVIES!

He didn't want to hate this movie. He just realizes that Fox made a rushed, hacked together movie, so X-men 3 could beat the release of Superman Returns, which is one of the dumbest moves I can think of.

 

[Vindication]

Because God forbid that Harry is an X-men fan and *GASP* LOVES THE LAST TWO MOVIES!

He didn't want to hate this movie. He just realizes that Fox made a rushed, hacked together movie, so X-men 3 could beat the release of Superman Returns, which is one of the dumbest moves I can think of.

Petty studio games that are downright childish.

It's not shocking considering all the "heathering" that goes on. At this rate I've seen more negative than positive reviews and I thinks Supes has a better chance of swiping the thunder from X3 easily.

 

[ginny_weasley]

This is the most accurate analysis of this cluster**** I've read yet.

Haha, gonna have to agree there. I don't know if I'll react as vehemently as Harry, but....he does seem to know what he's talking about....

Loved this nugget too:

We all heard about two of the three major deaths. I hadn’t heard about the third one, but it was the nail in the coffin that ****ing pissed me off. That that is the cinematic legacy of that particular character… it just pisses me off. And I know that that being pissed off comes from “knowing the comic” – but I honestly felt that if that was all they were going to do with that character, then they should have saved the storyline for the 2nd X-MEN trilogy

...I think we all know who's being described here...*cough* Cy *cough* clops

 

[Hugh'sMrs]

Haha, gonna have to agree there. I don't know if I'll react as vehemently as Harry, but....he does seem to know what he's talking about....

Loved this nugget too:


...I think we all know who's being described here...*cough* Cy *cough* clops

He already knew about Cyclops' death. It was Jean's at the end that was the nasty surprise. Remember the swiped draft didn't have the third act attached.

 

[ginny_weasley]

He already knew about Cyclops' death. It was Jean's at the end that was the nasty surprise. Remember the swiped draft didn't have the third act attached.

Ahh, I think you're right there - good point. His comments do make sense when I read it as Jean...I had just figured it wasn't her cuz she kicks it in the comics.

But I agree with him still: they're done her demise, and most everything about her from the storyline ALL WRONG.

Such a shame: I really liked Movie!Jean - moreso than her comic counterpart.

 

[cosmicherosa]

Harry's opinion on movies is fat waste. His reviews and taste sucks. He liked Star Wars: Episode III like it was a god. He liked Daredevil. Moriarty is much better.

I am not worried. Looks like it is a mixed raction all around. I am gonna like it, and that is all that matters.

 

[Yellow Cyclone]

Harry's opinion on movies is fat waste. His reviews and taste sucks. He liked Star Wars: Episode III like it was a god. He liked Daredevil. Moriarty is much better.

I am not worried. Looks like it is a mixed raction all around. I am gonna like it, and that is all that matters.

your post is also a river in egypt

 

[JediMasterConor]

harry flip flops on how he feels on movies so many times it's not funny

 

[illest urban]

I honestly could give two flips less what harry no-life knowles thinks about X3; we all knew that was coming. he has hated anything to do with the x-universe from the giddy up. I'm over it.

 

[heck yeh baby X]

harry is giving a fan boy POV.....of course this will suck for people who would want this movie to be a biblical account from the comics....but neither X1 nor X2 were that either. Im just happy with what ive got. If Harry wants a better movie, then he should become a producer and produce movies he likes......but then again, he has ****ty taste

 

[heck yeh baby X]

harry flip flops on how he feels on movies so many times it's not funny

I believed he also Flipflopped on the Punisher flick.....after saw the DVD he took some things back about it

 

[logansoldcigar]

Afte watching x2 how on earth could anyone expect to get the phoenix saga?

Really?

Um, No shiar? No Mkran Crystal? Oh, No phoenix force!

Sorry but from the way x2 went down there could have never been a phoenix saga.

We get an amped up Jean Grey. Not phoenix. Phoenix destroys planets and devours suns.

It could have been done if they had planned this from the FIRST movie. They didn't so they should have never gone the phoenix route at all!

They should have left all things phoenix for the next trilogy and instead should have done sentinels.

I was under the impression the Singer did plan for an adaptation of the pheonix story line from the first movie. Its there, if you watch it.
But I pray that we never ger a shi'ar, sun eating, M'Kraan crystal version. Cos as nell said, what always set Xmen apart for me was the characters.the people. and theyve been adapted pretty well.Just like P yayed that we didnt get 30 foot tall pink n purple mutant hunting robots, cos they would look hokey. which they do, from the clip we have seen.

As for Harry Knowles, Im not his greatest fan. I think he has let a personal beef against Ratner seep into all his early comments on the movie. I also read his review and noticed that he doesnt use it as an opportunity to have a go at Ratner again, but reviews the film. i still think he's an ass that carries an agenda , but credit to him for that.
But all the comments on Fox are right. any problems with this movie are down to them and a petty "lets get back at Singer" attitude

 

[TheVileOne]

harry is giving a fan boy POV.....of course this will suck for people who would want this movie to be a biblical account from the comics....but neither X1 nor X2 were that either. Im just happy with what ive got. If Harry wants a better movie, then he should become a producer and produce movies he likes......but then again, he has ****ty taste

Harry wasn't expecting a biblical account. He was expecting something that was superior to the rushed product we ended up with.

Jean doesn't even have the Phoenix Force shape! Something that was subtely shown at the end of SECOND MOVIE.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Look...

I'm positive that I'm going to disagree with Harry... I think I'm going to love this movie.

But let's not sugar coat it; the Phoenix Saga has been royally ****ed in the ass, and they didn't even give it the respect to call the next morning.

Cyclops is killed off. Wolverine is who kills her. The entire essence of the Phoenix Saga is thrown out the window 45 seconds into it.

I still think I'm going to love this movie for the cure story arc, Beast, Magneto, and everything else.

But the Phoenix Saga has been royally ****ed by Kinberg and Penn. I don't blame studio politics. Why?

May 26th is an obvious good release date. It's Memorial Day weekend. Plus, there's no heavy competition around it. It's a perfect date, of course they want to keep it. They wanna make money. Memorial Day weekend makes money. I don't view it as a "beat Singer to the box office" move.

I am also unwilling to believe that Fox's parameters were "kill off Cyclops and don't let him have a role in this film", while meanwhile, they are marketing the **** out of the character. I think the parameters were "James Marsden is filming Superman Returns, so he'll have a limited availability that you have to work around"

I think Kinberg and Penn were too uncreative to find a use for Cyclops, and just took the easy way out by killing him off not a half hour into the movie.

If they were as big of fans as they claimed to be, they'd at least make his death meaningful... it's obviously not what sets her over the edge, as she seems over the edge already when she does it, and goes all Dark Phoenix on Wolverine before he tells her what she did. He's not mentioned at all afterwords, yet Xavier, who's revealed in this film to have been a manipulator in his past, his goodbye gets a grand exit, with a big funeral event. Oh, and a resurrection after the credits.

But no, Cyclops goes out with a wimper, like a fart in the wind, never to be mentioned again, so that Wolverine can save the Phoenix. It's the one thing we ALL complained about from that original script AICN reviewed. They knew it, as shown through all of their responses to that older script. Yet they still had the audacity to sit there on the xverse, and straight up tell us they think we'll be proud of Cyclops in this film, and that they were proud of what they did with him. And then all of a sudden, when they get called on it "Oh, we did the best we could with the parameters we had"

Bull ****ing ****. That's the most disrespectful thing they could have done to us, was not change the one thing we were the most concerned about, and then tell us to our faces that things have changed, Cyclops has a few surprises, and that we'll be happy with his treatment. And it's why I find myself losing a lot of respect for the 2 of them.

Harry has some VERY legitamate concerns with this film. I don't care if he has been blindly bashing it this entire time. They ****ed up the most beloved story arc in the source material. And to an extent, they've ****ed up not only what is an otherwise great movie, but what is otherwise an amazing trilogy as a whole, because of their ignorance.

And they claim to be such huge fans, and such great allies for us.

Anyone with any level of fandom for the X-Men wouldn't have killed Cyclops off, in the Phoenix Saga of all storylines. EVERYONE that I've talked to about this has said the same thing, that killing off Cyclops is ****ing ******ed. Even my mom, who doesn't know much more about the X-Men than the movies and some cartoons, thought it was ridiculous to kill off Cyclops.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Look...

I'm positive that I'm going to disagree with Harry... I think I'm going to love this movie.

But let's not sugar coat it; the Phoenix Saga has been royally ****ed in the ass, and they didn't even give it the respect to call the next morning.

Cyclops is killed off. Wolverine is who kills her. The entire essence of the Phoenix Saga is thrown out the window 45 seconds into it.

I still think I'm going to love this movie for the cure story arc, Beast, Magneto, and everything else.

But the Phoenix Saga has been royally ****ed by Kinberg and Penn. I don't blame studio politics. Why?

May 26th is an obvious good release date. It's Memorial Day weekend. Plus, there's no heavy competition around it. It's a perfect date, of course they want to keep it. They wanna make money. Memorial Day weekend makes money. I don't view it as a "beat Singer to the box office" move.

I am also unwilling to believe that Fox's parameters were "kill off Cyclops and don't let him have a role in this film", while meanwhile, they are marketing the **** out of the character. I think the parameters were "James Marsden is filming Superman Returns, so he'll have a limited availability that you have to work around"

I think Kinberg and Penn were too uncreative to find a use for Cyclops, and just took the easy way out by killing him off not a half hour into the movie.

If they were as big of fans as they claimed to be, they'd at least make his death meaningful... it's obviously not what sets her over the edge, as she seems over the edge already when she does it, and goes all Dark Phoenix on Wolverine before he tells her what she did. He's not mentioned at all afterwords, yet Xavier, who's revealed in this film to have been a manipulator in his past, his goodbye gets a grand exit, with a big funeral event. Oh, and a resurrection after the credits.

But no, Cyclops goes out with a wimper, like a fart in the wind, never to be mentioned again, so that Wolverine can save the Phoenix. It's the one thing we ALL complained about from that original script AICN reviewed. They knew it, as shown through all of their responses to that older script. Yet they still had the audacity to sit there on the xverse, and straight up tell us they think we'll be proud of Cyclops in this film, and that they were proud of what they did with him. And then all of a sudden, when they get called on it "Oh, we did the best we could with the parameters we had"

Bull ****ing ****. That's the most disrespectful thing they could have done to us, was not change the one thing we were the most concerned about, and then tell us to our faces that things have changed, Cyclops has a few surprises, and that we'll be happy with his treatment. And it's why I find myself losing a lot of respect for the 2 of them.

Harry has some VERY legitamate concerns with this film. I don't care if he has been blindly bashing it this entire time. They ****ed up the most beloved story arc in the source material. And to an extent, they've ****ed up not only what is an otherwise great movie, but what is otherwise an amazing trilogy as a whole, because of their ignorance.

And they claim to be such huge fans, and such great allies for us.

Anyone with any level of fandom for the X-Men wouldn't have killed Cyclops off, in the Phoenix Saga of all storylines. EVERYONE that I've talked to about this has said the same thing, that killing off Cyclops is ****ing ******ed. Even my mom, who doesn't know much more about the X-Men than the movies and some cartoons, thought it was ridiculous to kill off Cyclops.

Bravo. Marvelous post. Grand post. This is exactly what is going on with the Cyclops situation.

-now runs to change signature-

 

[Mauser9910]

Meh, as if Harry's reviews were worth anything.
It's sad fanboy whining, it reminds me of those who actually hate the Spider-Man films not to be set in the 60s... :überrolleyes: