Harry Knowle's review is up

[phoenixstorm]

Are you kidding?

Colossus was nothing more than a cameo character. That was his only purpose. Pyro, Rogue, and Iceman were all secondary subplots that got decent amount of screentime. Nightcrawler was the second biggest character in the flick besides Wolverine. Storm was a prominent character as well, which is why complaints about her baffle me.

Whereas X3 not only kills off main characters in hackish ways, it has prominent characters as nothing more than plot devices.

She complained because storm didn't have a purpose in the story. It didn't have to be storm, it could have been any Insert Random Mutant here. Halle was right. That was not Storm in x1 or x2 it was some mutant with weather powers.

I WANT CHARACTER. Even if she's not Storm from the comics if the character has a purpose then fine I'll take it.

 

[ultimatefan]

Agree or disagree with his opinion, he´s right about one thing... This movie should NEVER have been produced the rushed way it was, just because Mr Rothman decided he wanted to beat Bryan Singer at theater release out of spite... If Rattner still delivered something even minimally decent with all the mess that was the development of this movie, more power to him.

 

[Celestio]

Are you kidding?

Colossus was nothing more than a cameo character. That was his only purpose. Pyro, Rogue, and Iceman were all secondary subplots that got decent amount of screentime. Nightcrawler was the second biggest character in the flick besides Wolverine. Storm was a prominent character as well, which is why complaints about her baffle me.

Whereas X3 not only kills off main characters in hackish ways, it has prominent characters as nothing more than plot devices.

Yes, Colossus was a cameo character, so why are people complaining about his role now when it is a lot bigger than X2.

Same with Pyro, Rogue and Iceman. They are are a secondary subplot in X3 aren't they? So why the complaint on their screentime?

Nightcrawler had one good scene at the beginning and then he was more aless wasted. IMO anyway.

Storm prominent? I wouldn't say so. She had 2 good scenes: tornado and snow storm. She hardly had any dialogue, and what she had wasn't brilliant.

X3 is about a war. That's what these films have lead up to. If nobody had died, I know for a fact there would have been uproar.

 

[phoenixstorm]

I know this isn't the place but....

I am so sick of this "original five" bullcrap. Yes, there were five mutants who were "the xmen" but how long did that series last? How long were these orignal xmen in print before the new all better all different and much more exciting and innovating xmen showed up?

Nightcrawler
Wolverine
Storm
Thunderbird
Colossus
Sunfire
Banshee

Compared to that team the orignal just didn't quite cut it which is why it performed badly in the sales department and had to be revamped to save it.

 

[The Batman]

Dude, the two characters that die do NOT die in this war everyone talks about. I wish people would stop using that stupid excuse.

People are probably complaining about Colossus because hes nothing more than a plot device, especially since everyone was talking about beefing up his role. that, and the fact that theres no fight with juggernaut has people pissed.

Rogue apparently has NO screentime in X3, so i understand why people are pissed. No one should be complainign about iceman and pyro.

Storm had nice little plot with nightcrawler, talking about how to react to human prejudice.

 

[J.Howlett]

Seriously, do many of you think it's easy to juggle this many characters in one film?

The writers in all the X-Men films do the best the can but they also have to gear it more towards the general audience than the fanbase. That's the bottom line with alot of these franchises.

The fanbase will be there no matter what. But, you've got to hook the general audience into believing in the characters and the world created, hence the watered down effect of these comic book films. Some do less than others.

X-Men was always going to be hard to begin with. Rothman made it harder with the first film when he slashed the budget.

Seriously, had all the X-Men films gotten the budget of say a Spider-Man film or the new Superman film, do you think they'd be bigger than what they are?

Singer did what he does best in his films, and that's the characterizations. He's always been very keen on that. The action aspect of his films tend to suffer a bit because that's not particularly his area.

For Ratner, it's the other way around. It's no surprise to hear the action is off the charts in this film. I think if Singer had the same budget that Ratner had with this film and more time, Singer would've delivered the action as well.

There are limitations in the medium of film. With the number of interesting characters in this mythology, who could have easily have a film of their own, it doesn't surprise me that certain ones go by the wayside than others.

They try and give every character something, just something that matters to the plot.

 

[Celestio]

Dude, the two characters that die do NOT die in this war everyone talks about. I wish people would stop using that stupid excuse.

People are probably complaining about Colossus because hes nothing more than a plot device, especially since everyone was talking about beefing up his role. that, and the fact that theres no fight with juggernaut has people pissed.

Rogue apparently has NO screentime in X3, so i understand why people are pissed. No one should be complainign about iceman and pyro.

Storm had nice little plot with nightcrawler, talking about how to react to human prejudice.

True, but if people are gonna complain about underused characters, they should look at X2 aswell, because it had a few.

I do agree about Rogue. She deserves more screentime for her role about the cure etc.

Storm had about 2 scenes with Nightcrawler though. It was a sub-sub-sub-plot.

 

[gap5ewl]

you know what i really dont care what he has to say. he hated the first two because they werent what he wanted. i thaught they were amazing and even though im pissed that cyclops seemingly dies and rogue takes the cure and is done with, i know this will be my favorite x-movie.

 

[Chaos Bringer]

Well, speaking as a female fan, that scene worked fine for me.

ya Hugh is a hottie no doubt. him in the tanktop sweated up and breathing hard I'm certain halted a few hearts...
Still. He's getting beaten on by some civillian and suddenly when the civie punches at Logan and hits his knuckles he's struck with a great amount of pain. Meanwhile the entire time he's punching Logan in the dome and to no damaging results. Meh. I got my ticket for Thursday at Midnight.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

What I find hilarious is whenever a negative review is released fans believe it and run around like chickens with their heads cut off.

Who cares if a critic doesn't like a movie? Who cares if Harry didn't like the movie? What is important is what WE think of it. A film that someone else may think is trash and stupid we may find it to be good, so in the end, I could careless what Harry has to say about this movie.

I'm making my own conclusion and I wish would stop, think, and form their own decisions rather than believing a critic. We're all intelligent enough to make up our own minds.

 

[gap5ewl]

What I find hilarious is whenever a negative review is released fans believe it and run around like chickens with their heads cut off.

Who cares if a critic doesn't like a movie? Who cares if Harry didn't like the movie? What is important is what WE think of it. A film that someone else may think is trash and stupid we may find it to be good, so in the end, I could careless what Harry has to say about this movie.

I'm making my own conclusion and I wish would stop, think, and form their own decisions rather than believing a critic. We're all intelligent enough to make up our own minds.

i know seriousley. all that matters is if you like it. **** harry he's just a whinny fanboy.

 

[PWN3R]

Wow, Harry actually stopped bashing Ratner for a moment, and reviewed this as a film.

He had some freakin good/scary points...

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Wow, Harry actually stopped bashing Ratner for a moment, and reviewed this as a film.

He had some freakin good/scary points...

I'm not sure, did you see it PWN3R? I could've sworn there was a post or thread about you seeing the movie and giving a review.

If not, then I apologize. But if you did see the film, what did you think about it?

 

[PWN3R]

I'm not sure, did you see it PWN3R? I could've sworn there was a post or thread about you seeing the movie and giving a review.

If not, then I apologize. But if you did see the film, what did you think about it?

I've been gone for the last 2 weeks.

But his review is pretty much what I expected. X3 will be a decent action flick...

 

[ultimatefan]

What I´m noticing is the AICN reviews are, on purpose or not, being nicer on Ratner, even if not so much on the movie... They seem to think he did a decent job directing the script he was given, the problem is Fox didn´t give them enough time to perfect the script due to the whole "let´s get there before Singer" ****...

 

[amazingfantasy15]

Did the movie already get released and I missed it because everybody seems to have already seen the movie from the posts? I actually got to see an advance screening yesterday (obviously not so advanced since everyone's apparently seen the movie though). I thought the movie was really good, a lot of great moments, it was missing that "x-factor" Singer gave the series, but the movie as a whole works well. I haven't been keeping track of the developments, stayed away from this board almost entirely since tracking these comic movies has ruined my enjoyment for a few on the first viewing, so going in fresh not knowing what to expect I thought it was really cool. Sure it's not accurate to the comic (I've been reading X-Comics for about 16years now), but it hasn't been accurate since the word go and never would be. I really liked what I saw and it's a hell of a lot better than what we're getting in the comics now anyway. So let the critics bash it, didn't hurt my enjoyment, let Harry Knowles bash it (did he get a set visit, it doesn't look like he got any ad dollars from it, so big suprise he didn't like it), not gonna stop me from buying the DVD. Check out the movie for yourself before passing judgement, it's great summer fun. I'd rank this better than X-Men 1 and just a little worse than X-Men 2 (Singer just added something intangible to the movie that made it better).

 

[FieryBalrog]

What I find hilarious is whenever a negative review is released fans believe it and run around like chickens with their heads cut off.
.

I find it hilarious how everytime a negative review is posted people start talking about how dumb the reviewers are.

 

[The Top Hat]

I think Harry hated it so much because he wanted to hate it.

He hated X-men 3 before he even saw it, so he didn't watch it objectively.

And also, harry has spent the last few months saying how the film is going to be awful, I would have been suprised if he'd had enjoyed it and actually admitted that he'd been talking rubbish all that time.

 

[Octoberist]

I find it hilarious how everytime a negative review is posted people start talking about how dumb the reviewers are.

I admit that Harry can bbbe overly passionate but he doesn't like a movie then whatever.

Devin of CHUD didn't like Batman Begins, but that doesn't stop me from still liking that website.

 

[TheVileOne]

True, but if people are gonna complain about underused characters, they should look at X2 aswell, because it had a few.

I do agree about Rogue. She deserves more screentime for her role about the cure etc.

Storm had about 2 scenes with Nightcrawler though. It was a sub-sub-sub-plot.

It sounds like Rogue did a lot more in X-men 2 than she does in this movie.

Storm saved humanity near the end of X-men 2 last time I checked.

Harry NAILED it with Halle Berry as Storm in these movies:

2) Storm. Halle Berry just grates with every line delivered. Her fight with Callisto had all the choreography of headless chickens fighting upon a red hot grill. It really is painful. Her character has, perhaps, more screentime than she’s ever had in the series to date. But lack of screentime was never Storm’s problem… rather, the lady playing her needed better direction. To be clued into who her character was. Her “street” talk is a sad departure from who she was just in the last film.

It ticks me off that she replaces Cyclops in this film. And becomes the LEADER.

 

[TheVileOne]

I think Harry hated it so much because he wanted to hate it.

He hated X-men 3 before he even saw it, so he didn't watch it objectively.

And also, harry has spent the last few months saying how the film is going to be awful, I would have been suprised if he'd had enjoyed it and actually admitted that he'd been talking rubbish all that time.

Whatever. Harry said what he liked about the movie and made compliments where it was needed. He thoughtfully and coherently explained all his problems with the movie and why he didn't like it.

 

[user123456789]

And most of the reasons why these reviews aren't glowing (IMHO) are because they are comparing them to the previous two films...granted its the natural thing to do, but still take X3 as a stand alone film and who knows, some critics may be more favorable.

Right, because X-3 is supposed to be a stand-alone film.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I find it hilarious how everytime a negative review is posted people start talking about how dumb the reviewers are.

I never said Harry was dumb. He's bashed this movie before the filming began and I didn't expect him to change his tune.

All I'm saying is we're intelligent enough to make our own decisions. We don't need a critic, an audience member, a fan, or a non-fan telling us a movie is stupid and we should save our money.

I'm an adult and I don't need anyone making my decisions. Those who run around like headless chickens over a negative review need to grow up. I understand not everyone will like this movie and that's fine, especially since everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

In the end what matters is our decisions. Will we like the film? Will we dislike it? I don't know about everyone else, but as for me, my decision will be made on the 26th and no critic, fanboy, or non-fanboy will alter that particular decision or opinion.

 

[TheVileOne]

I never said Harry was dumb. He's bashed this movie before the filming began and I didn't expect him to change his tune.

All I'm saying is we're intelligent enough to make our own decisions. We don't need a critic, an audience member, a fan, or a non-fan telling us a movie is stupid and we should save our money.

Why not? Why actually not search out for people who we agree with a lot of things on and whose opinions we trust? Instead of wasting our valuable, hard earned money on garbage? Today when Hollywood peddles so much garbage and expects us to plunk down 10 dollars or more for it?

People can make their own decision from reading the reviews and seeing the clips if X-men 3 is worth their time or not still the way I see it.

I'm a human being and I don't need anyone making my decisions. Those who run around like headless chickens over a negative review need to grow up.

Like the sheep getting defensive and protective of the lukewarm reception this movie is getting?

 

[cookiva]

Mhmmm, gotta love people badmouthing eachother....

arent you, Vile, an Xmen fan.

What about you, last sunrise, arent you an Xmen fan?

Both of you, shut up, because YOU KILLED CYCLOPS!