Has Batman hurt the genre where costumes are concerned?

[Chris Wallace]

No-but didn't we already see that in "Iron Man"?

 

[The Question]

No-but didn't we already see that in "Iron Man"?

It's very different. He was in a very faithful version of the first armor, and then we saw the process of him building the second which ended in the paint job. The reasons for doing it and what it means to the story thematically are completely different. It wouldn't be derivative in the slightest.

 

[BlackLantern]

i remembe reading some fans rant or manifesto or whatever about how 'Iron Man' was a grave betrayal and a proper film would have been set in Vietnam and feature no less than 6 sets of different armor

 

[roach]

I am happy with the changes they made to Iron Man

 

[Chris Wallace]

i remembe reading some fans rant or manifesto or whatever about how 'Iron Man' was a grave betrayal and a proper film would have been set in Vietnam and feature no less than 6 sets of different armor

Really?

 

[roach]

really for an Iron Man origin story there should be only 2 armors...the mark 1 and the mark 2

 

[BlackLantern]

Really?

I forgot where I read it, some random blog post but yea...the guy seemed pretty serious about it

 

[roach]

wow I think of myself as a traditionalists but I would never insist they use the Vietnam war as the backdrop for Iron Man

 

[Chris Wallace]

I forgot where I read it, some random blog post but yea...the guy seemed pretty serious about it

No pleasing some people. He probably wanted the muscle suit of the 70's & 80's.

 

[roach]

with rollerskates

 

[The Question]

Knowing Robert Downy Jr. and John Favreau, they might include the roller skates as something Tony Stark put into one of his suits to amuse himself.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Some of us would like to forget the roller skates.

 

[roach]

Knowing Robert Downy Jr. and John Favreau, they might include the roller skates as something Tony Stark put into one of his suits to amuse himself.

I would be kool with that

 

[MissionBond92]

Not at all did it hurt the genre. Proof is in Batman and Robin when they started to make the suits and everything more goofy and it almost ruined the franchise. Batman Begins returned to the darker version that Batman 89 had and was successful.

 

[Chris Wallace]

That really doesn't mean anything. Batman & Robin still wore rubber suits. (With nipples, I might add.) The only costume in that movie that came even remotely close to the comics was Ivy's introductory suit. As you said yourself, the intent with that movie was to go silly. And in any event, the costume designs ARE NOT what killed that movie. I'm talking about the premise of the comic book designs being taken seriously, like with Spider-Man.

 

[roach]

I just dont understand the GA wont believe it excuse. Name one movie where the GA was ok with the film but the costumes took them out of it. Any other genre can get away with fantastic costumes and ideas but the moment someone says superhero movie then it has to be the realist real ever....as if people didnt know that plunking down 10$ for a movie called Superman would involve superhero themes. No one is questioning Gods and giant scorpions from Clash of the Titans. No one will question a giant freaking monkey in King Kong. No one will question Popeye's incredible strength gain by eating a can of spinach.....but the moment someone say superhero people have issues.
Now I am not against changes to costumes or making all costumes spandex....what I am is against this prevailing thought that every superhero movie has to be grounded in real life.

 

[Chris Wallace]

You left out Star Wars, Transformers & The Matrix. The list truly goes on & on. Someone argued on a similar thread that the GA's opinion is irrelevant because they don't have one.

 

[roach]

the GA will believe anything you present to them as long as it is logical to the movie and the world that you are creating. Thats basic movie making 101.

 

[C. Lee]

I forgot where I read it, some random blog post but yea...the guy seemed pretty serious about it

Many things that people are "serious" about on the net scares me.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Like how a casting choice or plot device that you don't agree with has tainted the mythos & ruined your life?

 

[roach]

I used to be a Star Wars fan but I dont proudly mention it in polite company because of the "slews of people who's childhood was ruined by the prequels".

 

[Chris Wallace]

Wow. I don't care. The only prequel I didn't really like was "Attack Of The Clones".

 

[BlackLantern]

if someone allowed the prequels to "ruin their childhood", I probably wouldn't talk to them much anyway

 

[Chris Wallace]

I agree. Now back to the argument that the GA doesn't care. Why are the filmmakers trying so hard to cater to nonexistent demands, huh? Who exactly is out there asking for comic book movies to be more realistic?
Something else I've thought about; I've defended and will continue to defend the choice to give the X-Men a team uniform onscreen. (Say what you will about the execution) But what about the villains? The Brotherhood do not conform to the standards of society. They don't live like humans, they don't accept their human names, so is it really such a stretch that they wouldn't conform to "human" standards of dress? Mind you, I'm not saying I would want to see Ian McKellan in red tights & purple trunks, but is it truly unbelievable that his followers could have looked a little more ostentacious?

 

[BlackLantern]

I agree on the X-men having a team uniform, they did at the start of the comics...went away from that...and in the books now, don't they have a team style uniform?