Has the MCU peaked?

I agree with everything except for wanting it to end. I would hope with new content being created with comics all the time that someone can come up with something special enough to keep it going.
I feel like Marvel Cinematic Universeis eventually going to lose steam. Like they already have 2 misses with the critiX. What about by phase9? There would be more.

Also all the creatives and actors won't be around forever. At some point imo, itshould end and be rebooted for the newer generation.
 
Here's my MCU table and chart. Comments welcome. (Could be an error or more so I need other eyes on it I.)

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To reiterate some of my comments from yesterday over here,

...This is the first time Marvel released 4 and 5 MCU sequels in a row with Black Panther 2 and Ant-Man 3. Guardians 3 will make it 6.

They've never done that before. The last non-sequel was Eternals which was a part of three first entry/origins in a row, but they had done that before in Phase 1.

A lot of origin/first entry content appears to have been shifted over to Disney+ in recent years instead of theaters.
MCU Phase 4 has shown an overall box office decrease, but putting aside any subjective quality or general taste issues, other factors are the pandemic and Disney+ and altered audience theater-going behavior, the lack of an Avengers release (unlike Phase 1 through 3), and movies sometimes missing out on a release in China.
 
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Talking about box office results:

If Marvel manages to get back on track in the upcoming years (they have the right proprieties and cards on their sleeves to do so), then I think that A5 and A6 will make a ton of money and wouldn’t be surprised if it surpassed the 2B mark and potentially even aiming at what AEG did.

If Marvel manages to course correct by delivering better product in the upcoming years and once you bring in Deadpool, F4, Blade… adding up to what they already have and eventually bringing back some OG’s(because you already know they are going to do that, 100% guarant€€d) then I can see the next Avengers films as massive box office hits.

And that in itself would be another peak for the MCU.
 
MCU needs to get rid of it's one size fits all tone and aesthetics for one. It also needs to let new additions to the universe be unique in-universe instead of being met with indifference or dull surprises from the pre-established MCU characters. I don't care how many bizarre existential threats have shown up in the past, they should still be shocked and or terrified. Hell Batman was when he realized how dangerous Braniac was in Justice League.
I've long said that marvel needs get out of it's comfort zone more. But I just don't see that happening. To the bolded, I think 5hey need to treat every new unusual thing as exactly that. They'll have to sell us on on these new allies/adversaries etc. Even if it's just The Punisher or Blade. But I feel it's too late for that now, they've already made every fantastical **** seem mundane so that ship has probably sailed.
 
Talking about box office results:

If Marvel manages to get back on track in the upcoming years (they have the right proprieties and cards on their sleeves to do so), then I think that A5 and A6 will make a ton of money and wouldn’t be surprised if it surpassed the 2B mark and potentially even aiming at what AEG did.

If Marvel manages to course correct by delivering better product in the upcoming years and once you bring in Deadpool, F4, Blade… adding up to what they already have and eventually bringing back some OG’s(because you already know they are going to do that, 100% guarant€€d) then I can see the next Avengers films as massive box office hits.

And that in itself would be another peak for the MCU.
They probably need to focus on 5 to 6 ips.

The more ips they give a movie to (Eternals, Thunderbolts, Sam Wilson, Deadpool), the more chances the others would get lost in the miX. So the reboots of Fantastic Four and Blade aren't guaranteed to do very well like Ant-Man 1 / 2 numbers, if they continue this path and pumping out films/content rapidly. Those reboots need to be good if not great to win over the audience and guarantee sequels. The Marvel Studios name won't be enough.

Avengers, Guardians, Spider-Man, Black Panther, Dr. Strange and X-Men imo, are the only surefire hits but even those could struggle maintaining legs if they aren't well received.

So MCU probably needs to limit the content they are releasing every year, or else everyone would just cherry pick what to watch.

I do think without the Disney+ shows, the boX office numbers of the post phase 3 films would have been higher.
 
They should come in phaseven, after the multiverse, variants and Kang are over.
Feels like that’s exactly when they’re being planned for. Start with a bang once this current storyline is fully dealt with.
 
Feels like that’s exactly when they’re being planned for. Start with a bang once this current storyline is fully dealt with.
Which is why I can't wait for this saga to be over soon, other than of course I want to see another Avengers movie. KD/SW are my most anticipated films that isn't Marvel Studios' X-Men.
 
Which is why I can't wait for this saga to be over soon, other than of course I want to see another Avengers movie. KD/SW are my most anticipated films that isn't Marvel Studios' X-Men.
Those are the main event films for sure. Can’t wait for F4, and X-Men most of all.
 
MCU will be fine. They just need to remember what people fell in love with: the characters.
They moved from being very character focused in the Infinity Saga to being very focused on a plot in the Multiverse Saga
 
Those are the main event films for sure. Can’t wait for F4, and X-Men most of all.
yeah they need to fast track the F4 and x-men. The F4 are taylor made for Disney so I don't get why they wasn't done faster in the first place.
 
yeah they need to fast track the F4 and x-men. The F4 are taylor made for Disney so I don't get why they wasn't done faster in the first place.
They had so many films already in progress and already planned out and money laid out, plus the overall story in place and a lot of moving pieces. Add in the varying rights issues and it would have been tough to get them in early. But once this existing multiverse story is done, F4 and X-Men should be central and dominant features of the rest of the MCU’s years. I think they will be huge and also will attract back some of the fans who may have fallen by the wayside by that point. X-Men spin-offs will work very well with the shows too.
 
i think the MCU will become the X-Menverse or the Mutantsverse i hope they do the Mutants right in the MCU and dont Flop like Kang in Antman 3 or Ultron
I honestly doubt thats going to happen.

There's probably still Black Panther, Dr. Strange, Captain Marvel, Shang-Chi, Eternals, Blade and Fantastic 4 after phaseven and phaseight.

And who knows when will they finally get rid of the Hulk, Thor, Ant-Man and the Wasp, Guardians of the GalaXy, Scarlet Witch, Loki, Hawkeye, Vision, Sam Wilson, Bucky, War Machine, Nick Fury and Spider-Man. A lot of those characters have been around from 2008 to 2015.
 
Ultimately, think the MCU will be fine, but I think the next couple years will be more of a slog ,as they recalibrate , rewrite scripts, push back and adjust projects etc.

So as fans, hopefully this will be a period where we have to ride out the storm until it's clear sailing , hopefully in 2025 at the earliest.
 
Well, I remember the last writers strike in 2007 through 2008.
It would really suck for the economy here in SoCal, if it ends up happening.
 
MCU will be fine. They just need to remember what people fell in love with: the characters.
They moved from being very character focused in the Infinity Saga to being very focused on a plot in the Multiverse Saga
Yeah, even as they started with many films having weak villains, the hero characters were well cast and the interactions between them and having each other's back by the end of Avengers worked very well and built ongoing investment from the GA. The hero characters continued to be well cast and received well as time went on even if the films they were in weren't always otherwise all that great. Since Phase 4 the focus on plot points above strengthening character and deepening interactions and bonds between them has slowed the momentum a lot for me at least, and made it seem like a bunch of individual films with independent characters rather than the character-centric MCU I'm used to - hopefully that changes as they start bringing things together in the next few years.
 
They had so many films already in progress and already planned out and money laid out, plus the overall story in place and a lot of moving pieces. Add in the varying rights issues and it would have been tough to get them in early. But once this existing multiverse story is done, F4 and X-Men should be central and dominant features of the rest of the MCU’s years. I think they will be huge and also will attract back some of the fans who may have fallen by the wayside by that point. X-Men spin-offs will work very well with the shows too.
I get it but look at the roster during phase 4. Other than Spiderman and Thor, there's really no other names there. No Iron Man, no Cap(Steve), none of the major Marvel characters. Wolverine, Storm or even Iceman could have been introduced as a replacement along with the F4 and Dr Doom but instead we got Kang, who I like but.............he's not Doom or Galactus. Everyone is saying wait until phase 5 or 6 but at the rate they are going, those phases will look drastically different.
 
I get it but look at the roster during phase 4. Other than Spiderman and Thor, there's really no other names there. No Iron Man, no Cap(Steve), none of the major Marvel characters. Wolverine, Storm or even Iceman could have been introduced as a replacement along with the F4 and Dr Doom but instead we got Kang, who I like but.............he's not Doom or Galactus. Everyone is saying wait until phase 5 or 6 but at the rate they are going, those phases will look drastically different.

Marvel couldn't have realistically dropped what they were doing to completely shift to a X-Men and FF focus. Blockbusters on the short end take 3 years from Pre-Production to the end of Post-Production, and that is if everything goes well with few setbacks. The deal to purchase Fox closed in 2019. Meaning, if they had absolutely zero setbacks, the FF or X-Men had they started full force day 1 would have been released in 2022 on the earliest side. Endgame came out in 2019. You have 3 years of content to fill there in that math alone. Also, all the projects we are seeing now largely have been in the world of rumor before Endgame came out. You think Marvel was simply going to scrap 100s of millions of dollars of work for X-Men and FF movies they couldn't get out at minimum until 2022, leaving 3 years of content they need to fill on top of whatever D+ deals they already worked out with the parent company? On top of that, we have all the rumors of contracts that forced Marvel's hand on waiting to use the X-Men until I think it was around 2025. That shows there is a lot we don't know about various deals and contracts Marvel inherited in the purchase.

Being a Monday morning QB is easy, but this notion they could just drop everything and focus on the FF and X-Men day 1 simply wasn't realistic.
 
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I've long said that marvel needs get out of it's comfort zone more. But I just don't see that happening. To the bolded, I think 5hey need to treat every new unusual thing as exactly that. They'll have to sell us on on these new allies/adversaries etc. Even if it's just The Punisher or Blade. But I feel it's too late for that now, they've already made every fantastical **** seem mundane so that ship has probably sailed.

As a casual MCU fan, I'll say openly that I've stopped watching and the reason is that I'm sick of the same, tired formula. Not only is there too much content, but its all so similar it feels like slop.
 

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