Has the MCU peaked?

[The Overlord]

A 4th movie and a 5th movie won't be an issue for me, if the MCU only revolves around 1 to 6 ips. We are going to wait at least 4 years for another Shang-Chi and Eternals and thats too much, especially if I'm someone who got really invested in the characters of those films.

And who knows how long we are going to see Clea in Doctor Strange 3?

Why does Eternals need a sequel? I am comic book fan and I never heard of them. Most of the general public hasn't either. That movie bombed, maybe not everything needs to be a movie. Maybe Ant Man didn't need 3 movies.

 

[squeekness]

Why does Eternals need a sequel? I am comic book fan and I never heard of them. Most of the general public hasn't either. That movie bombed, maybe not everything needs to be a movie. Maybe Ant Man didn't need 3 movies.

I agree about the Eternals. It was such a bore I fail see why they need to make more unless they are planning to use them to tie a bunch of other plot threads together. If so I hope they get a better script.

 

[The Overlord]

I agree about the Eternals. It was such a bore I fail see why they need to make more unless they are planning to use them to tie a bunch of other plot threads together. If so I hope they get a better script.

Marvel needs to do a lot things. Tone down the humor so it doesn't seems like the heroes take nothing seriously. Stop trying to connect everything, I shouldn't have to watch WandaVision to understand Dr. Strange 2, every movie should stand on its own.

 

[psylockolussus]

Why does Eternals need a sequel? I am comic book fan and I never heard of them. Most of the general public hasn't either. That movie bombed, maybe not everything needs to be a movie. Maybe Ant Man didn't need 3 movies.

Its been reported that E2: Eternals United is in the works.

I don't mind if its a 1 and done like The Incredible Hulk and Black Widow.

 

[Marvel united]

Yes

 

[psylockolussus]

Marvel needs to do a lot things. Tone down the humor so it doesn't seems like the heroes take nothing seriously. Stop trying to connect everything, I shouldn't have to watch WandaVision to understand Dr. Strange 2, every movie should stand on its own.

It does seem confusing if we only watch the movies, and witness why Wanda suddenly became the Scarlet Witch after Avengers: Endgame. She wasn't even mourning Vision in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness but her imaginary children.

 

[squeekness]

Marvel needs to do a lot things. Tone down the humor so it doesn't seems like the heroes take nothing seriously. Stop trying to connect everything, I shouldn't have to watch WandaVision to understand Dr. Strange 2, every movie should stand on its own.

I agree. I slogged through WandaVision which I did not particularly enjoy because it was relevant. Now I'm concerned if I don't watch a particular show I'm going to miss something important.

 

[psylockolussus]

I agree. I slogged through WandaVision which I did not particularly enjoy because it was relevant. Now I'm concerned if I don't watch a particular show I'm going to miss something important.

And that is still their best show...

Anyway, there's a problem when a series with only 6 to 9 episodes can feel like it has filler episodes. I still haven't seen a Marvel Studios series that needed to be 4 hrs long rather than 90 to 150 minutes sitting affair.

 

[squeekness]

And that is still their best show...

Anyway, there's a problem when a series with only 6 to 9 episodes can feel like it has filler episodes. I still haven't seen a Marvel Studios series that needed to be 4 hrs long rather than 90 to 150 minutes sitting affair.

I liked Hawkeye well enough. It didn't drag for me, but yeah, most of the others did.

 

[The Overlord]

Marvel also has to stop making these movies feel all the same, something like Shang-Chi should have been a street-level story, where Shang-Chi fights his father in the climax, instead of going to some CGI land and fighting a CGI demon. I heard a rumor that Marvel writes the climax of the film and then hires a director and the director has to have the story lead to the pre-written climax. I hope that's not true, but if it is Marvel has to stop it. These movies really seem like bland corporate products at this point.

 

[psylockolussus]

Quantumania didn't feel like it had the usual MCU formula though. The character development there was very surface level.

Eternals was different though it introduced so many things under 2 hours that many things didn't land perfectly.

If those were written like Iron Man or Avengers: Endgame, they would have still a perfect track record in Rotten Tomatoes.

 

[The Overlord]

Quantumania didn't feel like it had the usual MCU formula though. The character development there was very surface level.

Eternals was different though it introduced so many things under 2 hours that many things didn't land perfectly.

If those were written like Iron Man or Avengers: Endgame, they would have still a perfect track record in Rotten Tomatoes.

Except Ant Man 3 and the Eternals does fit the corporate model we have seen from Marvel Phase 4. How many great movies have we seen from Phase 4? Most of them have been like Eternals, Ant Man 3, Thor Love and Thunder, etc.

 

[psylockolussus]

Except Ant Man 3 and the Eternals does fit the corporate model we have seen from Marvel Phase 4. How many great movies have we seen from Phase 4? Most of them have been like Eternals, Ant Man 3, Thor Love and Thunder, etc.

What corporate model? Eternals is an obscure Ip getting a movie for the first time. The other one is a sequel to a 4 1/2 year old movie, that is setting up the neXt big bad of the MCU.

Spider-Man No Way Home is great. The rest is still well reviewed enough eXcept for Eternals, especially Shang-Chi and Black Panther. The TV shows which I'm not a fan of, all got good reviews.

Not every MCU film/product is going to be great as their best film/s and thats just fine. Those films just don't be 45% to 59% Rt critically acclaimed levels of bad.

 

[The Overlord]

What corporate model? Eternals is an obscure Ip getting a movie for the first time. The other one is a sequel to a 4 1/2 year old movie, that is setting up the neXt big bad of the MCU.

Spider-Man No Way Home is great. The rest is still well reviewed enough eXcept for Eternals, especially Shang-Chi and Black Panther. The TV shows which I'm not a fan of, all got good reviews.

Not every MCU film/product is going to be great as their best film/s and thats just fine. Those films just don't be 45% to 59% Rt critically acclaimed levels of bad.

The corporate model of having Marvel write the climax and having the directors just lead to it and the same old tried Joss Whedon jokes as dialogue.

Would Shang Chi really be worse off if it was entirely set on Earth and the final battle was with his father instead of Shang Chi going to some CGI land to fight a CGI demon?

Was Thor Love and Thunder that great? Was Black Widow great? Did they get great reviews or okay reviews?

These movies are starting to feel like they are made in a factory rather than actually made by artists and creators. That's why people are getting sick of them and why we are getting bad movies like Enternals and Ant-Man 3, why do you think those movies got bad reviews?

 

[psylockolussus]

The corporate model of having Marvel write the climax and having the directors just lead to it and the same old tried Joss Whedon jokes as dialogue.

Would Shang Chi really be worse off if it was entirely set on Earth and the final battle was with his father instead of Shang Chi going to some CGI land to fight a CGI demon?

Was Thor Love and Thunder that great? Was Black Widow great? Did they get great reviews or okay reviews?

These movies are starting to feel like they are made in a factory rather than actually made by artists and creators. That's why people are getting sick of them and why we are getting bad movies like Enternals and Ant-Man 3, why do you think those movies got bad reviews?

Most of those didn't get disastrous reviews. I literally could name a dozen movie franchises that have been through worse.

So they are under the same universe, same studio. So what did you eXpect for these films not to have World building and setting things up for future films? We've seen this before and we will see it again. I didn't watch these films eXpecting standalone stories.

The problem with Eternals and Quantumania (for me) isn't those, it was the poor character development.

 

[The Overlord]

Most of those didn't get disastrous reviews. I literally could name a dozen movie franchises that have been through worse.

So they are under the same universe, same studio. So what did you eXpect for these films not to have World building and setting things up for future films? We've seen this before and we will see it again. I didn't watch these films eXpecting standalone stories.

The problem with Eternals and Quantumania (for me) isn't those, it was the poor character development.

So you think it's reasonable for people to have to watch WandaVision to understand Dr. Strange2? I am sorry but I don't find that remotely reasonable. I think phase 1 MCU did a better job of having these movies feel like stand-alone stories, but still, have a little setup for the future, now the MCU movies feel like all set up with no satisfying experience within the movie itself.

 

[psylockolussus]

So you think it's reasonable for people to have to watch WandaVision to understand Dr. Strange2? I am sorry but I don't find that remotely reasonable. I think phase 1 MCU did a better job of having these movies feel like stand-alone stories, but still, have a little setup for the future, now the MCU movies feel like all set up with no satisfying experience within the movie itself.

I didn't say anything about WandaVision being reasonable to understand Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness? You clearly have missed my post.

It does seem confusing if we only watch the movies, and witness why Wanda suddenly became the Scarlet Witch after Avengers: Endgame. She wasn't even mourning Vision in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness but her imaginary children.

Also I wasn't arguing about Phase 4 being better than Phase 1 because it isn't. I thought you were talking about corporate model....you completely changed the subject.

 

[The Overlord]

I didn't say anything about WandaVision being reasonable to understand Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness? You clearly have missed my post.

Also I wasn't arguing about Phase 4 being better than Phase 1 because it isn't. I thought you were talking about corporate model....you completely changed the subject.

I am saying the current corporate model is to make a MCU movie all set up and nothing else, while in Phase 1 a MCU movie told a complete story and would have some set up in the stinger.

That's a big reason why the MCU movies are declining in quality.

 

[TheFuture]

I'm not sure we can say it's peaked when they still have such aces up their sleeve like the X Men, FF and the villains that are associated with those teame.

But they need to rethink strategy big time. The phases need to go for example.

 

[TheVileOne]

Phase 1 was far from perfect and had plenty of bumps in the road.

 

[psylockolussus]

I am saying the current corporate model is to make a MCU movie all set up and nothing else, while in Phase 1 a MCU movie told a complete story and would have some set up in the stinger.

That's a big reason why the MCU movies are declining in quality.

That's your perception of things.

Like I said, No way Home was awesome, lots of chracter moments there. Shang-Chi was introduced pretty well. Even though Black Widow should have been a phase 3 film, and they still risked doing mostly a pre-Endgame story to kickstart phase 4.

 

[The Overlord]

That's your perception of things.

Like I said, No way Home was awesome, lots of chracter moments there. Shang-Chi was introduced pretty well. Even though Black Widow should have been a phase 3 film, and they still risked doing mostly a pre-Endgame story to kickstart phase 4.

Okay, but do you think it would be better or worse for these films to have more smaller stakes stories or mostly limit the setup to the stingers? Would Shang Chi have been better or worse if the whole movie took place entirely on Earth and not gone to a CGI land?

Phase 1 was far from perfect and had plenty of bumps in the road.

Sure, but no phase 1 movie got reviews as bad as the ones for Eternals or Ant-Man 3.

 

[TheFuture]

Phase 1 was far from perfect and had plenty of bumps in the road.

Not like this.

 

[TheVileOne]

Not like this.

Like what?

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

Okay, but do you think it would be better or worse for these films to have more smaller stakes stories or mostly limit the setup to the stingers? Would Shang Chi have been better or worse if the whole movie took place entirely on Earth and not gone to a CGI land?

Give me a film where there are 10 top shaolin schools that each have a ring, and Wen Wu goes by each to challenge the top fighter for the ring.

That's very much like one of my favourite Shaw Brothers movies.