HBO Sci-Fi Series ‘’The Nevers’’

[Dr.]

According to some accounts, all filming (if not post production) was finished by October 2020. And Whedon announced his departure at the end of November. So I'm not sure what duties the new showrunner had left to do (unless HBO was already planning for a second season...)

Also, there's been some speculation that only the first five episodes will drop in April -- with the last five appearing sometime later...

 

[Filmfreak]

Thats the somewhat worrisome thing about it....if it feels like Whedon and is a hit, gets renewed...then S2??? Are they able to recreate that?

That's my exact fear too. But at least in Season 1 will pretty much be his show.

I mean, Angel generally benefitted from not being Whedon's main show. Frankly, getting the show away from Whedon before he gets his full teeth in and his... issues pop up in the writing is a good thing.

Angel was never his show to begin with. It's one thing to be partially involved and another to be fully involved and being replaced in the process. Not that I share the sentiment, anyway.

 

[Filmfreak]

According to some accounts, all filming (if not post production) was finished by October 2020. And Whedon announced his departure at the end of November. So I'm not sure what duties the new showrunner had left to do (unless HBO was already planning for a second season...)

Also, there's been some speculation that only the first five episodes will drop in April -- with the last five appearing sometime later...

Yeah I think Nick Frost said a few months back that the plan was for HBO to release 12 episodes in two parts. Either all of it or the majority has been filmed and I don't think they're going to change the scripts so late in the game. So the new showrunner is probably for PR only, at the moment. And for potential future seasons, of course.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I mean, Angel generally benefitted from not being Whedon's main show. Frankly, getting the show away from Whedon before he gets his full teeth in and his... issues pop up in the writing is a good thing.

He still had a role bts and influenced storylines. Plus it was put in the hands of someone that was a right hand man.

 

[flickchick85]

Whedon's writers rooms usually contain a lot of talent. And people like Jane Espenson, who's also on this writing staff, have little trouble channeling his voice without his more...problematic tendencies, imo. I'm not too worried about what S2 will look like atm. It's not a Bryan Fuller situation where nobody can really match what he does. Drew Goddard, Tim Minear, Jeffrey Bell, Jane Espenson, Ben Edlund and others who've worked under him have successfully channeled the "Whedonesque" tone in their work brilliantly, imo, and in some cases, they've made better work of it than Whedon himself.

But yes, this first season, regardless of what HBO says, will very much be Whedon's product. He was "replaced" too late for it to be anyone else's.

Anyway, it looks great to me, and I'm very much looking forward to it. Even if it does end up as a one-season wonder.

 

[DKDetective]

Whedon's writers rooms usually contain a lot of talent. And people like Jane Espenson, who's also on this writing staff, have little trouble channeling his voice without his more...problematic tendencies, imo. I'm not too worried about what S2 will look like atm. It's not a Bryan Fuller situation where nobody can really match what he does. Drew Goddard, Tim Minear, Jeffrey Bell, Jane Espenson, Ben Edlund and others who've worked under him have successfully channeled the "Whedonesque" tone in their work brilliantly, imo, and in some cases, they've made better work of it than Whedon himself.

But yes, this first season, regardless of what HBO says, will very much be Whedon's product. He was "replaced" too late for it to be anyone else's.

Anyway, it looks great to me, and I'm very much looking forward to it. Even if it does end up as a one-season wonder.

How is Espenson's work these days? I've been kinda wary of her ever since I say her named attached to a lot of BSG episodes, etc. around the time that I felt the show jumped the shark and lost its way mid-season 3.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

This looks like it's a blast. While Whedon is such a distinctive voice he's really hard to replace (though, hey, maybe he was being a verbally abusive monster on set - which he certainly ****ing better have been if they fired him) there's a lot of potential in a talented female showrunner picking up where he left off and adding a more lived, authentic spin to his pet themes.

 

[flickchick85]

How is Espenson's work these days? I've been kinda wary of her ever since I say her named attached to a lot of BSG episodes, etc. around the time that I felt the show jumped the shark and lost its way mid-season 3.

I actually liked her BSG and Caprica eps tbh, but I haven't seen any of her recent stuff. I did like S3 of Jessica Jones (waaaay better than S2, imo), but she only wrote one episode in it, so I don't really count that. I do think she shines the most on Whedon projects, though. She's just a natural fit to his style, imo.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Whedon's writers rooms usually contain a lot of talent. And people like Jane Espenson, who's also on this writing staff, have little trouble channeling his voice without his more...problematic tendencies, imo. I'm not too worried about what S2 will look like atm. It's not a Bryan Fuller situation where nobody can really match what he does. Drew Goddard, Tim Minear, Jeffrey Bell, Jane Espenson, Ben Edlund and others who've worked under him have successfully channeled the "Whedonesque" tone in their work brilliantly, imo, and in some cases, they've made better work of it than Whedon himself.

But yes, this first season, regardless of what HBO says, will very much be Whedon's product. He was "replaced" too late for it to be anyone else's.

Anyway, it looks great to me, and I'm very much looking forward to it. Even if it does end up as a one-season wonder.

Show is definitely up my alley. A modern take on a period, with magic. Darth loves his magic.

As to a potential second season. I feel like Whedon isn't as unique a voice as he was 20 years ago. Beyond those who have worked with him, his style is very much something we see in a lot of writers these days.

I actually liked her BSG and Caprica eps tbh, but I haven't seen any of her recent stuff. I did like S3 of Jessica Jones (waaaay better than S2, imo), but she only wrote one episode in it, so I don't really count that. I do think she shines the most on Whedon projects, though. She's just a natural fit to his style, imo.

I still haven't finished Punisher and Jessica Jones. I should totally do that.

 

[Sithborg]

I do need to finish JJ. I was enjoying it, but the inevitable cancellation kind of bummed me out from watching it. I do know the spoilers do not bother me at all, and quite frankly, makes a ton of sense based on the first two seasons.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I do need to finish JJ. I was enjoying it, but the inevitable cancellation kind of bummed me out from watching it. I do know the spoilers do not bother me at all, and quite frankly, makes a ton of sense based on the first two seasons.

Exactly why I didn't finish them. After they got cancelled, it was a big downer for me. When they said they cancelled DD, I lost all interest. But now my wounds are somewhat healed. Need to go back.

On the Nevers trailer, anyone see Eleanor Tomlinson in it? I was watching it, but my version was randomly skipping, so I might have missed her. Need to watch it again later.

 

[Filmfreak]

Whedon's writers rooms usually contain a lot of talent. And people like Jane Espenson, who's also on this writing staff, have little trouble channeling his voice without his more...problematic tendencies, imo. I'm not too worried about what S2 will look like atm. It's not a Bryan Fuller situation where nobody can really match what he does. Drew Goddard, Tim Minear, Jeffrey Bell, Jane Espenson, Ben Edlund and others who've worked under him have successfully channeled the "Whedonesque" tone in their work brilliantly, imo, and in some cases, they've made better work of it than Whedon himself.

The difference is Whedon still had a voice in the shows he worked in, even when he wasn't a showrunner, while this time around he leaves for good and his exit is by no means organic.

I would actually feel much better had they picked a better showrunner. Goslett is not very experienced, she never worked as a showrunner before, never even wrote anything for TV and her few screenplays for movies have been mixed at best. Not saying that it can't work but I'm very wary for the time being.

 

[henzINNIT]

Would have preferred a more familiar name in charge but I'm still curious about the show. Looks fun from the trailer. Hope to one day know what the hell happened as well.

 

[#root]

Looks fun. I like the leads. Hopefully the storytelling is solid too. As for season two, I think it’s probably best to wait for season one to air first. I also think that Whedon’s writing isn’t as unique as it once was. The Buffyverse has influenced a ton of writers and shows so I think it shouldn’t be too much of an issue. But again, we should probably wait for season one to finish first .

 

[squeekness]

Yeah it looks quite good. Very Whedon-y. Hopefully the entirety of Season 1 will have his imprint.

Yeah, looks very promising. Just having Whedon around it is a plus for me.

 

[Sithborg]

I think the key thing to take away is that the WB investigation was more thorough than I thought. And likely, Whedon got fired.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't know why anyone doubted it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Not that it matters because there are far more important things being discussed, but this show doesn't come out in April does it? I wonder if it gets pulled from HBO proper and only released on HBO MAX in an attempt bury it. I also wonder if the new showrunner was announced recently to try and cover for the storm they knew might come. Anyways, chances are this is one and done and I don't know how I feel about watching it now.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Releasing it on HBO Max wouldnt exactly bury it.

Joss was removed from it and someone else has taken up the reins so if it is a success they will continue it so I still plan on watching. While he is infused in the shows overall DNA of it, hie but one person who helped bring it to life.

 

[flickchick85]

Not that it matters because there are far more important things being discussed, but this show doesn't come out in April does it? I wonder if it gets pulled from HBO proper and only released on HBO MAX in an attempt bury it. I also wonder if the new showrunner was announced recently to try and cover for the storm they knew might come. Anyways, chances are this is one and done and I don't know how I feel about watching it now.

Joss's name is already nowhere near it in the marketing. I think they've invested too much money in it to bury it, personally.

 

[Primal Slayer]

A number of Buffy alums have come forward with their own experiences with Joss Whedon with claims that support Ray Fisher. How have the allegations around him and the showrunner change changed your marketing campaign for The Nevers? His name wasn't on the teaser trailer at all, which couldn't have been your original plan.

When I read Charisma Carpenter's accounts, it was distressing. On The Nevers, he's left the show. You've seen his statement. We were already planning, as you saw, to not say "From Joss Whedon" or "the director of [Avengers]." It hasn't really affected the campaign. Yes, you would expect to have that name [in marketing materials] but the show and the creative is going to speak for itself. A marketing campaign can only do so much; the show and the creative have to stand on its own.

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[DarthSkywalker]

Joss's name is already nowhere near it in the marketing. I think they've invested too much money in it to bury it, personally.

Good point. It does look like a cost quite a bit.

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If this is true, then they already knew this back when he "left the project". They knew what he was like, and just let him walk away trying to preserve his reputation. A lot like Disney and Carano before her anti-Semitic tirade.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Good point. It does look like a cost quite a bit.


If this is true, then they already knew this back when he "left the project". They knew what he was like, and just let him walk away trying to preserve his reputation. A lot like Disney and Carano before her anti-Semitic tirade.

Unfortunately that is Hollywood. If you're a money maker they will turn a blind eye as long as they can. CBS paid off Eliza and went on their way with whatever that show is called even though she proved her harassment case.

 

[Sithborg]

Good point. It does look like a cost quite a bit.


If this is true, then they already knew this back when he "left the project". They knew what he was like, and just let him walk away trying to preserve his reputation. A lot like Disney and Carano before her anti-Semitic tirade.

I mean, it was obvious it was that he was fired. I think a few weeks after he "left" WB came out that they took remedial actions against Whedon. Honestly, I think a showrunner is an easier fix than having a problem one of the actors, given that actors are more audience facing than behind the scenes guys.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I mean, it was obvious it was that he was fired. I think a few weeks after he "left" WB came out that they took remedial actions against Whedon. Honestly, I think a showrunner is an easier fix than having a problem one of the actors, given that actors are more audience facing than behind the scenes guys.

Whedon has been obviously fired from many things, and yet so many doubted it. That said, there is a difference between knowing he was fired and knowing exactly what he was fired. And this is all a special kind of horrific. They didn't have to be specific, to protect the victims. But they should have made it clear that he was "let go" for a very serious reason.