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Help cast Dracula/Van Helsing for new Dark Universe

Which casting idea would you vote for? 1 or 2

  • Casting idea 1 Jackman/Bale

  • Casting idea 2 Mikkelsen/Mortensen


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I will put out the 1st casting idea again I had for Dracula/Van Helsing for the new Dark Universe and offer an alternative.

CASTING IDEA #1

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For Dracula

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For Van Helsing


CASTING IDEA #2
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for Dracula

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For Van Helsing


which would you vote for?

How about a bit of #1 AND #2 - Bale as Van Helsing and Mads as Dracula?
 
You know what would be interesting? Flipping the script. Dracula as the good guy and van Helsing as the baddie.

Basically Dracula is a guy who's all free loving and acceptance and van Helsing is a psycho religious psychopath who hunts people in the name of his god
 
Tbh, I'm from the Hammer/Christopher Lee school (I'll freely admit that most of the reasoning behind my above post championing Mads and Bale is because I think Mads could channel Lee [mixed with a bit of Lugosi] and Bale could channel Cushing) and I've never really liked it when there's been an attempt to make Dracula sympathetic.
 
Admittedly, I'm also kind of sick of the pseudo-benevolent vampire sex god idea; that's effectively all they've been in the pop culture psychosis for the last two decades. And Dracula especially needs another movie where he's a human monster; you can see where his human traits still poke through, but he's effectively a selfish, sociopathic drug addict and cult leader.

I say you go old school, and use some of the elements from the original book that haven't been as present in most of the adapatations, though not necessarily a rigidly exact translation; Van Helsing applying equal parts science and mythology to his hunting alongside a comparatively liberal approach to culture, knowledge, and gender, and Dracula as more of a shape-shifting dark Sorceror educated by the devil. Have Dracula reference his education at the Scholomance and his status as a solomanari, have him not just able to transform into a bat, but a wolf and mist, able to teleport to any place he has access to, and effectively unkillable at night and only vulnerable to destruction during the day.

I kind of want to see vampirism played as a kind of curse and addiction hybrid. You get a "high" and a power up (Dracula de-ages), but have uncontrollable thirst, maybe lose some sobriety right after feeding, and play up spreading the curse as a biological assault. Make Dracula despicable by making it clear if he attacks someone and they live, they have immense pain, sickness and bloodlust, and if they go vampire, he controls them like a cult leader.

Give me a Manson-style Dracula.
 
Admittedly, I'm also kind of sick of the pseudo-benevolent vampire sex god idea; that's effectively all they've been in the pop culture psychosis for the last two decades. And Dracula especially needs another movie where he's a human monster; you can see where his human traits still poke through, but he's effectively a selfish, sociopathic drug addict and cult leader.

I say you go old school, and use some of the elements from the original book that haven't been as present in most of the adapatations, though not necessarily a rigidly exact translation; Van Helsing applying equal parts science and mythology to his hunting alongside a comparatively liberal approach to culture, knowledge, and gender, and Dracula as more of a shape-shifting dark Sorceror educated by the devil. Have Dracula reference his education at the Scholomance and his status as a solomanari, have him not just able to transform into a bat, but a wolf and mist, able to teleport to any place he has access to, and effectively unkillable at night and only vulnerable to destruction during the day.

I kind of want to see vampirism played as a kind of curse and addiction hybrid. You get a "high" and a power up (Dracula de-ages), but have uncontrollable thirst, maybe lose some sobriety right after feeding, and play up spreading the curse as a biological assault. Make Dracula despicable by making it clear if he attacks someone and they live, they have immense pain, sickness and bloodlust, and if they go vampire, he controls them like a cult leader.

Give me a Manson-style Dracula.

Although its nothing,that I know of, presented in the novel Dracula, you have some pretty radical ideas. If its done right it could work as a new vampire film.
 
I came up with the "addict" thing just on the idea that someone who willingly becomes a vampire has decided their life and powers are more valuable than the hundreds of lives they'd have to feed on to sustain themselves. Seems like the ultimate addiction to me.

But the powers and history things are in the book, just not emphasized as much: Van Helsing, or Harker, I forget which, mentions that Dracula is a graduate of the Scholomance and that he's an "alchemist." His powers also include turning into mist and a line that implies teleportation. He also walks around London in the daylight without dying, though the end of the book greatly implies that the main reason why Quincey's Bowie knife and Jonathon's kukri actually work is because they stab/decapitate him right before the sun goes down. Van Helsing also notably kills all three brides during the day as well.

Stoker's Count is quite a bit more powerful than your usual depiction of Dracula, and has a correspondingly greater number of limitations. To me, you keep that element in a movie, and the story changes. Make him practically invincible at night and far more adaptable and insidious, and you can justify having him unable to cross running water.
 
Actually you know who might be an interesting Dracula? Jake Choi (Front Cover). He kind of almost has the look already

 
Dracula Untold wasn't great, but neither was The Mummy. They even had similar tone. I say they own up to it and keep Luke Evans.

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Dracula Untold wasn't great, but neither was The Mummy. They even had similar tone. I say they own up to it and keep Luke Evans.

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I wouldnt be upset if they held on to Luke. I really didnt think Dracula Untold was terrible.
 
I really don't think anyone would be that upset if I had to guess.
 
Yeah I think there's about as much chance of that happening as a sequel to green lantern with Ryan Reynolds happening
 
Dracula Untold had a lot of potential. In concept the idea of melding Vlad Tepes' historical war against the Ottoman Empire with the classical vampire mythos could make for one amazing dark historical fantasy, but they didn't quite get the idea off the ground with Untold.
 
Dracula Untold had a lot of potential. In concept the idea of melding Vlad Tepes' historical war against the Ottoman Empire with the classical vampire mythos could make for one amazing dark historical fantasy, but they didn't quite get the idea off the ground with Untold.
I still think Untold's biggest problem was that no one did more research into the historical Vlad Tepes and Stoker's Dracula background, once they'd settled on their main conflict, and that they were, like many others, still enamored with the idea of Dracula as an anti-Hero, the same basic problem that Maleficent had, but without Disney's machine to overcome it. The story should have been about a protagonist going full Vader, seeking power for ostensibly noble causes, before becoming an even greater threat to those causes. And I'm serious about the research part; a quick perusal of the frickin' Wikipedia pages on Tepes and Dracula produced my intitial (and in my opinion, better) interpretation of the Dracula Untold trailer:

1. Vlad is already a fairly morally ambiguous character, who's a patriot, but willing to do what the Ottoman's say, until they threaten his son with the same torture he experienced in their care (he was a hostage of the court alongside his brother, and by all accounts he hated it and was treated more Asa prisoner than his brother), at which point he kills their messengers, hurtling his country into war.

2. Vlad scales the mountains of Walachia to enter the Scholomance, a kind of dark university of black magic run by the Devil himself, wherein the literary Dracula is said to have attended, gained some dark knowledge, and presumably watched as one of his classmates was taken by the Devil in payment. There, he chooses to become a vampire, as he does in the movie, but this time there's a history of black magic in his last already established.

3. Dracula is born as Vlad starts to attack the Ottoman forces with his powers, again like in the actual movie, BUT! Instead of it being Dominic West playing a white-washed version of the sultan, I thought he was playing Radu the Handsome, Vlad Tepes's real life brother and hated rival. This was really irritating when I watched the film; they wanted an antagonistic pseudo-sibling relationship with an antagonist when a literal anatagonistic sibling relationship already existed and with a kick @$$ name: The Blood Brothers. And since the historical Radu is ambivalent, I thought they'd show a more subdued and professional adversary who is doing evil things, but the culture he's a part of sees it as progress and moral. A more complex and less pettyRadu would have easily trumped what we got in the film.

4. Dracula starts to give in to his curse while still believing he's a hero, and his feeding on his own people drives his wife to commit suicide to escape him. This was based off the well known story of his wife commuting suicide, but also because I thought that, for some odd reason, a classic movie monster needs to clearly become a monster, and I figured that a tragic way to portray that would be to show his wife choosing to die while pitying her husband as he desperately tries to stop her.

5. Finally, I thought the last part of the trailer made perfect sense as the climax to Dracula's descent into villainy, giving him one last battle against the Ottomans but now already effectively movie Dracula: a human monster all alone in a haunted mountain castle in command of dark powers. I figured they'd show the apex of his heroic might (crushing the Ottoman army) similar to Anakin killing Dooku and rescuing Palpatine to win the battle of Coruscant, but twist it with Ascension of his darker nature (becoming a monster cut off from humanity and only feeding on therm) like in the purge scene. I really though we'd get a scene where the protagonist destroys the anatagonist, but is now no better than them and maybe worse.
 
You can definitely see some trace elements of what the Vlad Dracula story should be in Untold, but yeah it was rather defanged by their efforts to really portray the character more as a cleaner cut hero than he should be. They made him Jon Snow, when ultimately he should have been closer to Stannis Baratheon.
 
I still think Untold's biggest problem was that no one did more research into the historical Vlad Tepes and Stoker's Dracula background, once they'd settled on their main conflict, and that they were, like many others, still enamored with the idea of Dracula as an anti-Hero, the same basic problem that Maleficent had, but without Disney's machine to overcome it. The story should have been about a protagonist going full Vader, seeking power for ostensibly noble causes, before becoming an even greater threat to those causes. And I'm serious about the research part; a quick perusal of the frickin' Wikipedia pages on Tepes and Dracula produced my intitial (and in my opinion, better) interpretation of the Dracula Untold trailer:

1. Vlad is already a fairly morally ambiguous character, who's a patriot, but willing to do what the Ottoman's say, until they threaten his son with the same torture he experienced in their care (he was a hostage of the court alongside his brother, and by all accounts he hated it and was treated more Asa prisoner than his brother), at which point he kills their messengers, hurtling his country into war.

2. Vlad scales the mountains of Walachia to enter the Scholomance, a kind of dark university of black magic run by the Devil himself, wherein the literary Dracula is said to have attended, gained some dark knowledge, and presumably watched as one of his classmates was taken by the Devil in payment. There, he chooses to become a vampire, as he does in the movie, but this time there's a history of black magic in his last already established.

3. Dracula is born as Vlad starts to attack the Ottoman forces with his powers, again like in the actual movie, BUT! Instead of it being Dominic West playing a white-washed version of the sultan, I thought he was playing Radu the Handsome, Vlad Tepes's real life brother and hated rival. This was really irritating when I watched the film; they wanted an antagonistic pseudo-sibling relationship with an antagonist when a literal anatagonistic sibling relationship already existed and with a kick @$$ name: The Blood Brothers. And since the historical Radu is ambivalent, I thought they'd show a more subdued and professional adversary who is doing evil things, but the culture he's a part of sees it as progress and moral. A more complex and less pettyRadu would have easily trumped what we got in the film.

4. Dracula starts to give in to his curse while still believing he's a hero, and his feeding on his own people drives his wife to commit suicide to escape him. This was based off the well known story of his wife commuting suicide, but also because I thought that, for some odd reason, a classic movie monster needs to clearly become a monster, and I figured that a tragic way to portray that would be to show his wife choosing to die while pitying her husband as he desperately tries to stop her.

5. Finally, I thought the last part of the trailer made perfect sense as the climax to Dracula's descent into villainy, giving him one last battle against the Ottomans but now already effectively movie Dracula: a human monster all alone in a haunted mountain castle in command of dark powers. I figured they'd show the apex of his heroic might (crushing the Ottoman army) similar to Anakin killing Dooku and rescuing Palpatine to win the battle of Coruscant, but twist it with Ascension of his darker nature (becoming a monster cut off from humanity and only feeding on therm) like in the purge scene. I really though we'd get a scene where the protagonist destroys the anatagonist, but is now no better than them and maybe worse.

Very detailed outline. Bravo. I wish your 2nd point was used and expanded on in the movie. Would have been interesting to see that as a reason for his evil side.
 
Dracula Untold wasn't great, but neither was The Mummy. They even had similar tone. I say they own up to it and keep Luke Evans.

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You're right about tone, which just made the obliteration of Dracula Untold from the universe utterly cynical and insulting to the audience.

While Evans' performance was good however, I wouldn't like to see a reprisal purely based on wanting a different direction for Dracula. He should be the villain of any potential universe. The unfortunate thing about The Mummy's failure is that I think that's where they were going. Perhaps I'm wrong but that's what I took from the needing a monster to fight a monster tagline at the end.

Anyway, I've mentioned elsewhere that Mads would be a dream casting. I couldn't have Jackman. I'm flexible towards Van Helsing. Funnily enough I think Charles Dance would be great in the role. I don't like the idea of having Van Helsing being young as in he should have the look of a man that has literally spent his life hunting this monster.
 
Rufus Sewell might be an interesting choice but I really love the idea of Jason Issacs as Drac
 
Hey, now that's definitely an interesting call - I love Issacs as an actor and he's definitely got the look.
 
You're right about tone, which just made the obliteration of Dracula Untold from the universe utterly cynical and insulting to the audience.

While Evans' performance was good however, I wouldn't like to see a reprisal purely based on wanting a different direction for Dracula. He should be the villain of any potential universe. The unfortunate thing about The Mummy's failure is that I think that's where they were going. Perhaps I'm wrong but that's what I took from the needing a monster to fight a monster tagline at the end.

Anyway, I've mentioned elsewhere that Mads would be a dream casting. I couldn't have Jackman. I'm flexible towards Van Helsing. Funnily enough I think Charles Dance would be great in the role. I don't like the idea of having Van Helsing being young as in he should have the look of a man that has literally spent his life hunting this monster.

Plus, Charles Dance certainly has a Peter Cushing vibe to him.
 
For sure. Ah well, who knows.....maybe he'll play Van Helsing in the BBC planned series. :cwink:
 
By the sounds of it, if anyone was going to be played by a young actor it'd be Bram Stoker
 
I actually don't mind Tatum as an actor [I know he gets a lot of stick from certain quarters] but he's so many types of wrong for Van Helsing I don't know where to begin.
 

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