High school students sue to wear anti-gay clothing at school

[Dark Vigilante]

That t-shirt is not immense hatred. Homosexuals are going to hear a lot worse than what that t-shirt reads through their lives.

Yes, but what if a student came to school with a shirt that said "I Don't Like Blacks" or something to that effect. Would it not at least imply hatred?

 

[Kritish]

Yes, but what if a student came to school with a shirt that said "I Don't Like Blacks" or something to that effect. Would it not at least imply hatred?

The shirt didn't read "I don't like gays". It said Straight Alliance. That's not hate speech, the kids are just idiots.

 

[Dark Vigilante]

The shirt didn't read "I don't like gays". It said Straight Alliance. That's not hate speech, the kids are just idiots.

What does Straight Alliance imply then?

 

[Kritish]

What does Straight Alliance imply then?

The kids were idiots, nothing more. To suggest that that's like saying white power is asinine.

 

[Trainwreck2100]

http://www.abpnews.com/1836.article

These aren't the only kids doing this, this guy did it in 04, and this judge says it best

But Judge Alex Kozinski wrote a blistering dissenting opinion, saying school officials were censoring the teen's political and religious views while tacitly endorsing opposing views.

And his shirt was more offensive

"I will not accept what God has condemned" on one side and, "Homosexuality is shameful, Romans 1:27"

Here was the lower judge's rationale for it being ok to force the removal of the shirt.

Those who administer our public educational institutions need not tolerate verbal assaults that may destroy the self-esteem of our most vulnerable teenagers and interfere with their educational development," Judge Stephen Reinhardt, who authored the panel's majority decision, wrote. "Because a school sponsors a 'Day of Religious Tolerance,' it need not permit its students to wear T-shirts reading, 'Jews Are Christ-Killers' or 'All Muslims Are Evil-Doers.'"

 

[Dark Vigilante]

The kids were idiots, nothing more. To suggest that that's like saying white power is asinine.

Yeah, but just "being idiots" doesn't make it any less offensive.

 

[Dark Vigilante]

Those who administer our public educational institutions need not tolerate verbal assaults that may destroy the self-esteem of our most vulnerable teenagers and interfere with their educational development," Judge Stephen Reinhardt, who authored the panel's majority decision, wrote. "Because a school sponsors a 'Day of Religious Tolerance,' it need not permit its students to wear T-shirts reading, 'Jews Are Christ-Killers' or 'All Muslims Are Evil-Doers.'"

Exactly

 

[Kevin]

Really? How many straight people are offended by homophobic remarks? They might think "that guy's a dumb ass" but I doubt they act the same as the Homosexuals themselves.

This is where I step in. What you said is not true. If my friends, or maybe my family, who are straight, heard those remarks made towards me, I'm more than sure they would be upset, and yes, offended, because these marks were made towards me. I'm someone they care about. Everyone wants to protect those they care for.

It'd be the same, for me, if someone made remarks on how men are better than women and should be treated as such. Only difference being that I don't care who the remark was made towards, I respect everyone woman enough to know how ****ed up that is, so I'd be highy offended and disgusted.

 

[lazur]

I wonder if anyone would care if a gay person wore "anti-straight" clothing. Oh wait, probably not, since it's okay for black people to wear clothing that is essentially racist against whites.

Of course, all this in a country where a term like "reverse discrimination" can even exist...

In other words, you're not racist or bigoted UNLESS you're racist or bigoted against a minority group .

 

[Kyalesyin]

I'm still not sure what the fuss is all about. I've seen and heard worse. Did I complain? Nope. You can't change people.

They got the right to say it. I got the right to ignore them.

 

[MaskedManJRK]

The problem with giving this hate group (and that is exactly what this group is, there's no denying it) the victrory--you give 'em an inch, they'll most likely take a yard. If ther court allows them to wear the shirts, next thing you know they'll either officially or unofficially make a new holiday--"Stomp on the Queer Day." I wouldn't put it past them.

It just shows how the GLBT community is the minority--because I assure you if someone decided to go into school with some racist statment, like "Screw the facts, stomp on the Blacks," or "Pound on Taco-Venders," not only will the kid be sent to the office for it, he'd probably have to go there in a stretcher.

 

[Matt]

maybe if we pray really hard Jesus will turn all those sinful gay people straight!

It doesn't matter who is right or who is wrong. It is the double standard the school is using. They use free speech as the reason to allow pro-gay clothes, but they are oppressing the anti-gay kid's free speech. It can't work both ways.

 

[Kyalesyin]

Anyone wearing anything anit-gay in my college would probably get ignored unless it was pretty inflamatory. I it was a "Stomp on the Queers" thing, they may well have a dubious honour of having a 5'2 girl beating the living hell outta them

 

[Kevin]

I would love to see that.t:

 

[Kyalesyin]

I bet you would.

 

[Babs Gordon]

Really? How many straight people are offended by homophobic remarks? They might think "that guy's a dumb ass" but I doubt they act the same as the Homosexuals themselves.

*raises hand*

The words that bug me the most are derogatory words about homosexuality.

There is such a thing as empathy, you know.

 

[Babs Gordon]

Yes, but is that to say that gays are not the victims of immense hatred? Is that to say that simply because blacks have been treated unjustly for longer, they are deserving of more rights?

I feel like people are forgetting the way that gay people were imprisoned, sent to Nazi death camps, burned at the stake, etc. It became state policy in Rome to persecute homosexuals after the Christian take over in the 3rd century for instance. Homosexuals were barred from positions of power unless inherited through a monarch, such as Louis XIII.

I think it's fair to say that just as black people have been persecuted, homosexuals have been persecuted for just as long, if not longer.

 

[I_Hate_U_All]

It doesn't matter who is right or who is wrong. It is the double standard the school is using. They use free speech as the reason to allow pro-gay clothes, but they are oppressing the anti-gay kid's free speech. It can't work both ways.

It's under the schools' jurisdictions isn't it? Not the governments. Whatever they say, goes, in other words.

I highly doubt this suit will be won on grounds that the school's the authority on what the kids can and can't do.

 

[Babs Gordon]

What does Straight Alliance imply then?

Are you kidding? Straight people need to band together to overcome the abrasive prejudices against them so rampant in today's high schools.

 

[Matt]

It's under the schools' jurisdictions isn't it? Not the governments. Whatever they say, goes, in other words.

I highly doubt this suit will be won on grounds that the school's the authority on what the kids can and can't do.

I'm sure it won't. I am just saying the school is being hypocritical. It is a double standard. Either ban all clothes regarding sexual orientation or allow anyone to wear their thoughts on it.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

I haven't seen an Englishman take a blow like this since Hugh Grant

I'm going to use that.