Sequels How can Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch fit into the movieverse?

[Specter313]

How can Pietro and Wanda be fit into the movieverse? By saving them for an Avengers movie. There stories are more tied to them than they are to the X-Men movies and comics. I don't know why there is such a cry for them anyway. Just because they're relatives doesn't mean they have to be included. I love the characters, but they aren't needed.

Besides, are we all forgetting the fact that this movie is going to be dealing with times long before they were born and/or when they would just be little kids? The only child of his they would ever need for this film is his first one anyway, Anya, whose death is what helped push him over the edge of his hate for humans. He didn't even meet Wanda and Pietro until they were all grown up, so again, there's no need for them.

 

[The Punisher]

That could work. But i think seeing them in this movie and how they tie in with Magneto is a most. I think they should introduce them by showing who Magneto was in live with and then his love givers birth to Pietro and Wanda. Other ideas for them to be in the film could be used and this one is on of them.

 

[Cyclops]

Since they inexplicably gave Callisto Pietro's powers in The Last Stand (please, someone explain the rationale behind that move), putting Quicksilver in the movies would be fairly redundant.

 

[namenogimmicks]

a Blob should be included but plz dont ruin thing up again just like juggy

 

[X-Maniac]

Since they inexplicably gave Callisto Pietro's powers in The Last Stand (please, someone explain the rationale behind that move), putting Quicksilver in the movies would be fairly redundant.

The rationale is:

1) Callisto has enhanced speed and strength anyway, and superhuman senses (thus the Caliban power grafted on as well).
2) She needed to be shown as a worthy adversary to Storm. Comicbook Callisto faced a depowered Storm so they were more equal. Hence, they were made more equal in the movies by enhancing Callisto's power
3) It reduced the need for even more characters than we had already
4) No room for introducing Quicksilver and all his connections to Magneto

And, yes, despite this I feel a twinge of regret about the superspeed power being added on. But it doesn't stop Quicksilver appearing in the Magneto spin-off. His power could be depicted differently, maybe have him charging up with EM energy (the ability to generate that energy inherited from his father) before speeding off, or having him do everything at superspeed (talking, eating, writing).

 

[Cyclops]

Well, that's kinda ridiculous rationale. Toad put up more of a fight against Storm than that character named after Callisto.

 

[X-Maniac]

Well, that's kinda ridiculous rationale. Toad put up more of a fight against Storm than that character named after Callisto.

How so? How is it ridiculous? And how did Toad put up more of a fight?

Toad knocked her around (scenes of her fighting back were edited out) and then she struck back dramatically, sent him flying out on the parapet and zapped him.

The Storm/Callisto fight was much more physical and Storm took quite a beating. I can't see how you get the idea that Toad put up more of a fight considering what Callisto was doing in the house and at Alcatraz. Sounds like you walked out when Cyclops died and never really saw the rest of the movie.

 

[Cyclops]

Callisto just hit her a few times, Storm hit back a few times, then Storm struck dramatically and electrocuted her.

Arguably, the replacement Callisto didn't put up any more of a fight than Toad did who kicked her around, threw her around with his tongue, smashed her into sharp, pointy souvenirs, and knocked her down an empty elevator shaft.

And if the scenes of Storm fighting back were edited out from the fight with Toad, does that not mean that in the movie, Toad was more successful with his fight? After all, Storm got a few hits in on Callisto before killing her, but she was helpless before Toad before he got careless after knocking her down the elevator shaft. Seems to me like Toad did better.

And the aim of having her be able to put up a decent fight against Storm is no excuse to give her powers that are not at all hers. If they wanted Callisto to put up a decent fight against Storm, they could have had her do so without changing who she is. After all, people with incredible fighting skills and no powers have smacked Storm (and several other superpowered characters) around in the comics, so why is that so unbelievable in the movies?

And if they didn't want Callisto to have anything in common with Callisto in the comics, why not call her something else? She's nothing like Callisto, so why call her Callisto? Do they just assume that fans are stupid enough to accept it?

 

[X-Maniac]

They obviously had their reasons, considering that characters like Beast were more physically like the comicbook version.

Callisto's look has changed in the comics from scrawny tomboy to tentacled beauty. Which would they have focused on? They took the element of the 'street punk' in Callisto's original depictions and the character's superhuman strength, reflexes and senses and enhanced them. The 'street' thing became a latino urban warrior look. The senses enhanced into Caliban's mutant detecting power, the reflexes enhanced into superspeed. The eyepatch was ignored because it was seen as too Pirates of the Caribbean.

It was 'a version' of the character, as all the others are versions, adaptations. I can see why they did what they did.

The one thing I don't really like is that she was never called or mentioned by name in the movie. The rest is fine with me in the setting of the movie, making the Morlocks into an urban underclass of mutants, a more primitive society living by its own codes (like the tattoos). That seems a pretty good representation of the Morlocks to me.

 

[Cyclops]

But there are so many characters you could say this Callisto is like if you're saying "Oh, she's a tough streetwise (we never saw any streetsmarts, just gothish leather) chick, so she's like Callisto". That's such a flimsy evaluation.

Would it have killed their budget to at the least give her a God damned eyepatch?

This wasn't Callisto. If Halle Berry was "Catwoman in Name Only", then this was the exact same thing.

 

[04nbod]

it's been in the comics that they began on their fathers side but realised he was wrong and changed- like in ultimate x men when they joined cap america in the ultimates. this could be a good plot line in a spin off

 

[X-Maniac]

Would it have killed their budget to at the least give her a God damned eyepatch?

This wasn't Callisto. If Halle Berry was "Catwoman in Name Only", then this was the exact same thing.

Nothing to do with budget. A creative decision. They felt it was too much like something out of Pirates of the Caribbean. It would be pretty random for her to wear an eye-patch with no real explanation. In the next movie, if she survived that lightning assault, she could have been blinded by the electricity and then there might be a reason for wearing one.

But it's rather an irrelevant detail in a minor character. After all, Arclight looks nothing like the comicbook version, Storm's never had her headdress and *gasp* Mystique has never worn a white dress with a belt of skulls around it. You've obviously run out of complaints, so are scouring the movie for something else to moan about (five months after release!).

 

[TKing]

^I agree with you Maniac. Many things about the movies, like the character's costumes, are changed because they would not normally fit into the film. Like for example, Yuriko's cybernetic implants.

How would they be able to come up with a suitable excuse for that? After all, she wouldn't really be able to walk around, with wires and electrical cables sparking from her legs for the whole world to see, could she? Imo Yuriko looked much better in X2 (and sexier) than her comic counterpart, and so too did Callisto.

 

[FireandIce213]

I agree with X-maniac and TKing, think about it, the comic book version of Callisto just would not be able to fight Storm and logically survive as long as she did. Someone too fast to be blasted with lightning would survive longer in a fight against a character like Storm. Cyclops with all due respect u whine way too much about the 3rd movie...U really need to get over it, I understand u being mad about what they did to cyclops but whining about every little detail in the movie just gets redundant and tiring for others to read, but hell keep doing it people should be able to express their views and opinions, so im expressing my views and opinions about u complaining about x3 all the time. Let's face it overall, the movie version of Callisto is a lot more interesting then the comic book version I think members of the general audience would agree (and maybe some comic book fans as well).

 

[Cyclops]

^I agree with you Maniac. Many things about the movies, like the character's costumes, are changed because they would not normally fit into the film. Like for example, Yuriko's cybernetic implants.

How would they be able to come up with a suitable excuse for that? After all, she wouldn't really be able to walk around, with wires and electrical cables sparking from her legs for the whole world to see, could she? Imo Yuriko looked much better in X2 (and sexier) than her comic counterpart, and so too did Callisto.

But at least Deathstrike had claws. She had SOMETHING in common with her comic counterpart.

As for an excuse to wear an eyepatch? Umm, how about you know... NOT HAVING AN EYE? That sounds like a decent excuse.
"So what's with the eyepatch?"
"Lost the eye in a fight. You should see the other guy."

BAM. So ****ing easy.

And if Toad can kick Storm's ass freely, I think someone with heightened agility, superb fighting prowess and knife-throwing skills could give her a solid fight. Still no need to give her other mutants' powers.

And FireandIce, all due respect, I'll complain all I want, thank you very much.

 

[X-Maniac]

"So what's with the eyepatch?"
"Lost the eye in a fight. You should see the other guy."

BAM. So ****ing easy.

That sounds quite good, but I still think the eye patch is a bit PiratesOTC, it would look like an unoriginal Hollywooden ploy in trying to emulate another movie coming out... we get enough deliberate imitation and downright plagiarism in creative work as it is.

 

[FireandIce213]

But at least Deathstrike had claws. She had SOMETHING in common with her comic counterpart.

As for an excuse to wear an eyepatch? Umm, how about you know... NOT HAVING AN EYE? That sounds like a decent excuse.
"So what's with the eyepatch?"
"Lost the eye in a fight. You should see the other guy."

BAM. So ****ing easy.

And if Toad can kick Storm's ass freely, I think someone with heightened agility, superb fighting prowess and knife-throwing skills could give her a solid fight. Still no need to give her other mutants' powers.

And FireandIce, all due respect, I'll complain all I want, thank you very much.

Like I said do it all u want, i have my own complaints as well...By the how old are u? U sound like a little kid who's feelings are hurt cuz poor cykey wykey got killed off, I didnt like it either but i aint complaining as much as u...

 

[Uncanny]

Save her for a AVENGERS Movie. Scarlet Witch has a VERY long history with the Avengers. Like Iron Man ,CAPTAIN AMERICA etc. NOT Magneto or the X-Men. Knowing "Fox", they would kill her off or something in the movie. Do her in a way that she could not be in a Avengers movie.

 

[Cyclops]

Like I said do it all u want, i have my own complaints as well...By the how old are u? U sound like a little kid who's feelings are hurt cuz poor cykey wykey got killed off, I didnt like it either but i aint complaining as much as u...

Complaints do not indicate age. And you obviously haven't even been reading my complaints, so you can politely go find another sap to try and make yourself seem superior to.

As for the eyepatch plagiarizing POTC...

Come... on. None of the major pirates in either film even wore eyepatches. Where is the plagiarism if it wasn't in the movie? The eyepatch has always been as essential to Callisto's image as it is to Nick Fury's.

So to play the converse of the old saying, if it doesn't look like a duck, sound like a duck, or have the same superpowers as a duck, then it's probably not a duck. Said duck being Callisto.

 

[Obsidian]

I'd like to have this animosity exist between Magneto and his children because he abandoned them after realizing he softened up to a human woman (their mother).

 

[FireandIce213]

Complaints do not indicate age. And you obviously haven't even been reading my complaints, so you can politely go find another sap to try and make yourself seem superior to.

As for the eyepatch plagiarizing POTC...

Come... on. None of the major pirates in either film even wore eyepatches. Where is the plagiarism if it wasn't in the movie? The eyepatch has always been as essential to Callisto's image as it is to Nick Fury's.

So to play the converse of the old saying, if it doesn't look like a duck, sound like a duck, or have the same superpowers as a duck, then it's probably not a duck. Said duck being Callisto.

Thats how i can tell you're either a really immature grown man who still lives with mommy and daddy or just a bratty little kid, i never even tried to make myself seem superior to anyone, I dont know how you ever came to that assumption. Just because i think your complaining has become redundant and annoying and im voicing my opinion about it suddenly im trying to be superior? Grow up kiddo, you're doing the exact same thing with the way you felt about X3... And yes i have read your complaints and most of the ones i regrettably took the time to read have always went something like; "Wolverine gets too much screentime, Why did they kill Cyclops! WAH WAH WAH!" Though I do agree with you on this how long are you gonna keep harping on it before you get over it and realize the world aint ending? Plus your complaints dont end there, your posts in this thread are proof of that, now the new thing for you is complaining that they didnt get a minor character like Callisto right... OMG get over it kid.

 

[Cyclops]

Thats how i can tell ur either ur a really immature grown man who still lives with mommy and daddy or just a bratty little kid, i never even tried to make myself seem superior to anyone, I dont know how u even came to that assumption. Just because i think ur complaining has become redundant and annoying and im voicing my opinion about it suddenly im trying to be superior? Grow up kiddo, ur doing the exact same thing with the way u felt about X3... And yes i have read ur complaints and most of the ones i regrettably took the time to read have always went something like; "Wolverine gets too much screentime, Why did they kill Cyclops! WAH WAH WAH!" Though I do agree with u on this how long are u gonna keep harping on it before u get over it and realize the world aint ending? Plus ur complaints dont end there, ur posts in this thread are proof of that, now the new thing for u is complaining that they didnt get a minor character like Callisto right... OMG get over it kid.

Rriight. Calling me a kid isn't a way of putting yourself on a high horse. Just keep telling yourself that.

Expressing negative opinion is not childish. Getting *****y and whiney because someone else does is. I express my opinions regarding the film respectfully enough. I don't insult you for disagreeing with me, unlike you (another sign of childishness), and I don't try to belittle those who feel differently from me. You like the movie? Fine. That's your prerogative. Likewise, it's my prerogative to dislike the movie and to say why. If that bothers you, then you don't belong on an internet message board, because contrary opinions to your own will be expressed all the time.

Now, like I said, you'd best find someone else to feel superior to with your whole "you're childish for expressing opinion" concept, because you're not getting anywhere with me.

 

[FireandIce213]

Rriight. Calling me a kid isn't a way of putting yourself on a high horse. Just keep telling yourself that.

Expressing negative opinion is not childish. Getting *****y and whiney because someone else does is. I express my opinions regarding the film respectfully enough. I don't insult you for disagreeing with me, unlike you (another sign of childishness), and I don't try to belittle those who feel differently from me. You like the movie? Fine. That's your prerogative. Likewise, it's my prerogative to dislike the movie and to say why. If that bothers you, then you don't belong on an internet message board, because contrary opinions to your own will be expressed all the time.

Now, like I said, you'd best find someone else to feel superior to with your whole "you're childish for expressing opinion" concept, because you're not getting anywhere with me.

Ok the only reason I started calling you kid is because you really are acting like one. Only kids whine this much about a movie that came out like 5 months ago...Ask anyone else on this board and they'll tell you i never tried to belittle them, nor am i trying to belittle you. Just letting you know that its really getting played out, but like i said before as long as you keep complaining i can complain as well. So keep doing it, I dont care but nobody in their right minds would read what you post in almost every X-men thread and not be tired of it by now. By the way I never degraded you for not liking the movie, I respect your opinion as much as anyone else.

 

[Cyclops]

Which is why you call me a kid. Because you respect me. Does that not sound absurd to you? If I was the only one expressing my opinion here, I'd maybe understand your position. But I am far from the only one. So you personally call me childish you better go after every single person still expressing their opinions. You better call those who still defend this film in the "If You Don't Like This Movie" thread childish.

And you'd best learn to tell the differenve between articulate expression and whining. Because if I'm whining, which I'm not, then you are whining about my supposed whining.

 

[FireandIce213]

Which is why you call me a kid. Because you respect me. Does that not sound absurd to you? If I was the only one expressing my opinion here, I'd maybe understand your position. But I am far from the only one. So you personally call me childish you better go after every single person still expressing their opinions. You better call those who still defend this film in the "If You Don't Like This Movie" thread childish.

And you'd best learn to tell the differenve between articulate expression and whining. Because if I'm whining, which I'm not, then you are whining about my supposed whining.

To post your complaints in threads where it really has nothing to do with the topic, thats what you call whining... I respect your opinion, but it sounds really childish when you just continue to harp on the same old issues thats why I call you a kid...Cuz the way youre whining really does remind me of one.. And about that "if you dont like this movie" thread, im not gonna go in there because thats the one place where I feel continued complaints on the movie is justified, not in threads where it just isnt relevant to the topic.