How close is Maguire to the comics?

[Senator Pleasury]

Leave it to vid to bring TASM up>.>. Stay on topic and not try and find it away to bring TASM in this. Tired of people trying to silently trash the movie.

Me too... but, silently?

So really you have no problem with the tone of the Raimi films, just with moments where humor takes precedence over plot.

That's an accurate statement. Problem being the moments where humor takes more importance are way too abundant.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

As opposed to dark, gritty, seriousness of skateboarding to Coldplay, basketball hijinks, "Freddy" the mutant rat, Peter falling into an abandoned wrestling ring, etc... Doesn't get more childish than that.

I'd argue that TASM tries to put on the illusion that it's "more realistic" than the Raimi series, but the Raimi series is ultimately more mature (even though it does have a very strong tongue-in-cheek sense of humour)

Yeah, um you're the first person to bring up ASM in this thread. So good job.

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dark gritty Coldplay? You sir, are confused. And confusing. I think you need to get your insults straightened out.

 

[henzINNIT]

This is an interesting topic. I'd love to see people actually talking about it.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Maguire is physically as close as just about any other young white male who is average-slightly above average height. He even did okay toning up for production, i.e. "yep, big change!" scene.

He did a great job pulling off an intelligent, "normal guy" Pete, so he gets props for that. He also does a good unassuming and invisible Peter, or how I would describe "pre-spidey" Peter.

But I feel like anytime Peter is unassuming or cowardly after the bite, he is only acting. He is putting on a front because Spider-Man gave him a butt load of confidence. Anytime he wears glasses after the bite its a disguise. So that's something that I think Tobey and Raimi got wrong.

I also think Tobey is lacking in certain likable aspects that Peter's always held in my eyes. Peter to me, should be witty (if only in his head) and outspoken (around his friends) and strategically cunning (even when he's not Spider-Man). Tobey's emotive responses (namely crying, but also love and excitement) are weak and hard to watch. For me, of course.

Again, not a lot of this is Tobey's fault. The script of the films and their portrayal of Peter/Spidey may have rang true for many fans. But I feel that they missed the mark on a couple things and that's just my personal interpretation of my favorite comics.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

As The Joker posted, scenes in Spider-Man 2 are influenced by panels from comics, the costume in the waste bin is a direct rip from page to film. And that's just for Spider-Man 2

As how well Maguire's representation is an adaption of the comics?
There are similarities, and there are differences
Spider-Man: I can honestly say they adapted that side pretty well
Peter Parker: Too shy, too easy to step on. The comic version has him knowing when to talk back, and he does
For example, in Amazing Spider-Man 033 Jameson asks him: "Don't you know how generous I am", Peter replies: "I know exactly how generous you are, that's why I'm giving you my price" raising his picture carrying arm back waiting for Jameson to pay him $100 per image instead of buying them cheaper. Peter never apologized for that later, cause there is no reason for that
Maguire's Peter wouldn't dare say something like that, angry symbiote influenced Peter said something fair to Mr. Ditkovic, normal Peter apologized for that, and took it to himself to buy the Pizza in the chance Ditkovic decided to cease for extra cash grub

 

[Vid Electricz]

As The Joker posted, scenes in Spider-Man 2 are influenced by panels from comics, the costume in the waste bin is a direct rip from page to film. And that's just for Spider-Man 2

As how well Maguire's representation is an adaption of the comics?
There are similarities, and there are differences
Spider-Man: I can honestly say they adapted that side pretty well
Peter Parker: Too shy, too easy to step on. The comic version has him knowing when to talk back, and he does
For example, in Amazing Spider-Man 033 Jameson asks him: "Don't you know how generous I am", Peter replies: "I know exactly how generous you are, that's why I'm giving you my price" raising his picture carrying arm back waiting for Jameson to pay him $100 per image instead of buying them cheaper. Peter never apologized for that later, cause there is no reason for that
Maguire's Peter wouldn't dare say something like that, angry symbiote influenced Peter said something fair to Mr. Ditkovic, normal Peter apologized for that, and took it to himself to buy the Pizza in the chance Ditkovic decided to cease for extra cash grub

Like this exchange in SM2?

Jameson: I'll give you $150.00 for all of them!
Peter: $300.00.

 

[Vid Electricz]

Yeah, um you're the first person to bring up ASM in this thread. So good job.

Yeah, I was, but I felt it pertinent, as Raimi's films are always trashed for being "juvenile", when TASM is just as bad, but gets contstant praise around here.

dark gritty Coldplay? You sir, are confused. And confusing. I think you need to get your insults straightened out.

It's called sarcasm (pretty heavy handed and straight forward sarcasm as well). I know what I wrote. Looks like I'm not the confused one.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Like this exchange in SM2?

Jameson: I'll give you $150.00 for all of them!
Peter: $300.00.

 

[Green Goblin]

People keep this to the sm vs tasm tread or garfield vs maguire for christ sake!

 

[Green Goblin]

Some I ask a question that Rami fanboys don't like and they try to put the reboot down?

 

[Picard Sisko]

I'm really tired of this Raimi vs. Webb debate that's been going on here. I love both. They both have pros and cons; some things were done better Raimi's, others in Webb's. 'Nuff said.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Like this exchange in SM2?

Jameson: I'll give you $150.00 for all of them!
Peter: $300.00.

He didn't sound convincing or took what he wanted in the movie, just one more dollar, and a done deal
Comic Peter got exactly what he asked for, not a penny less

 

[Picard Sisko]

Anyways, Maguire resembles the classic 616 Peter Parker IMO:

While Andrew Garfield looks more like the modern incarnations of the character:

 

[webhead731]

Tobey reminds me of the one from the 60s and 70s.

 

[Senator Pleasury]

I have yet to see a Peter Parker that's like in the 1970/80's comics. I couldn't find a good picture on google. More mature. The closest I've seen is Nicholas Hammond.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Yeah, I was, but I felt it pertinent, as Raimi's films are always trashed for being "juvenile", when TASM is just as bad, but gets contstant praise around here.



It's called sarcasm (pretty heavy handed and straight forward sarcasm as well). I know what I wrote. Looks like I'm not the confused one.

You're damn right I'm confused. Who asked for dark and gritty spider-man? Who asked for campy tongue in cheek spider-man? Not me

And BTW it doesnt matter how heavy handed or obvious you think your sarcasm is, this is the internet and its not going to be deciphered that way. The day you realize that, you will have had a minor success.

 

[Vid Electricz]

You're damn right I'm confused. Who asked for dark and gritty spider-man? Who asked for campy tongue in cheek spider-man? Not me

And BTW it doesnt matter how heavy handed or obvious you think your sarcasm is, this is the internet and its not going to be deciphered that way. The day you realize that, you will have had a minor success.

Someone remarked that the Raimi films were too juvenile, so I posited that they were no more juvenile than TASM.

As opposed to dark, gritty, seriousness of skateboarding to Coldplay, basketball hijinks, "Freddy" the mutant rat, Peter falling into an abandoned wrestling ring, etc... Doesn't get more childish than that.

See, it's so sad that I have to explain this. I say how dark/gritty/serious TASM is- and then follow up with examples that are not dark/gritty/serious at all to prove my point. It's right there, either written or verbal, these are things a child understands. Don't try to use "the internet" as an excuse.

And yes, obvious, blatant sarcasm is very easy to interpret. Where it gets murky and sometimes questionable is subtle or esoteric sarcasm (which this is not) This is less a case of clarity and more a case of lack of reading/comprehension on your part.

 

[Green Goblin]

Lol the cast and crew said it wasn't meant to be Dark and Gritty. The tone like alot of it is exactly like Ultimate Spider-Man.

 

[Vid Electricz]

Lol the cast and crew said it wasn't meant to be Dark and Gritty. The tone like alot of it is exactly like Ultimate Spider-Man.

Right, but "dark" and "gritty" have been the buzzwords being thrown around Hollywood since Batman Begins in 2005. I believe the buzzwords thrown around by Webb, Garfield and Arad at the time were "grounded" and "realistic". I didn't find find TASM to be either of these things either (despite their obvious pretensions to be these things).

 

[Green Goblin]

Right, but "dark" and "gritty" have been the buzzwords being thrown around Hollywood since Batman Begins in 2005. I believe the buzzwords thrown around by Webb, Garfield and Arad at the time were "grounded" and "realistic". I didn't find find TASM to be either of these things either (despite their obvious pretensions to be these things).

There is some truth to what you said. TASM isn't dark and gritty as Garfield himself acknowledged that the character isn't like Batman *cough* MOS. I was a big fan of Ultimate Spider-Man prior to Marvel killing him off. Ultimate comics were grounded, not in the sense that the powers are dubbed down but they feel like they could exist. TASM kept the craziness of Spider-Man but made it feel like this character could exist. They use pseudo-science to explain things e.g Cross Spices genetics. Things like the way Spidey moves is like a Spider and his web's show tension when under pressure. Even the way he web slings was re-imagined. They used real stunts to make it more convincing and as he swings you can feel gravity create acceleration to move around and he uses his strength to work against gravity at times. When the police chance him towards the end he runs along the walls to gain speed before attempting to swing. If you understand it's a different type of grounded. There are other examples but I can't be bothered explaining, I'd recommend you just watch some behind the scenes stuff.

 

[Picard Sisko]

The movie is grounded and realistic in terms of its characters, or at least that's what I got from the movie.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Someone remarked that the Raimi films were too juvenile, so I posited that they were no more juvenile than TASM.

As opposed to dark, gritty, seriousness of skateboarding to Coldplay, basketball hijinks, "Freddy" the mutant rat, Peter falling into an abandoned wrestling ring, etc... Doesn't get more childish than that.

See, it's so sad that I have to explain this. I say how dark/gritty/serious TASM is- and then follow up with examples that are not dark/gritty/serious at all to prove my point. It's right there, either written or verbal, these are things a child understands. Don't try to use "the internet" as an excuse.

And yes, obvious, blatant sarcasm is very easy to interpret. Where it gets murky and sometimes questionable is subtle or esoteric sarcasm (which this is not) This is less a case of clarity and more a case of lack of reading/comprehension on your part.

Right, but "dark" and "gritty" have been the buzzwords being thrown around Hollywood since Batman Begins in 2005. I believe the buzzwords thrown around by Webb, Garfield and Arad at the time were "grounded" and "realistic". I didn't find find TASM to be either of these things either (despite their obvious pretensions to be these things).

So what you're really trying to say about a movie, in a thread that should have nothing to do with said movie, is that someone somewhere said that some movies since 2005 are dark and gritty and that ASM failed to embody that tone even though the tone they were going for was grounded and realistic? Which is something completely different?


Oh.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

There is some truth to what you said. TASM isn't dark and gritty as Garfield himself acknowledged that the character isn't like Batman *cough* MOS. I was a big fan of Ultimate Spider-Man prior to Marvel killing him off. Ultimate comics were grounded, not in the sense that the powers are dubbed down but they feel like they could exist. TASM kept the craziness of Spider-Man but made it feel like this character could exist. They use pseudo-science to explain things e.g Cross Spices genetics. Things like the way Spidey moves is like a Spider and his web's show tension when under pressure. Even the way he web slings was re-imagined. They used real stunts to make it more convincing and as he swings you can feel gravity create acceleration to move around and he uses his strength to work against gravity at times. When the police chance him towards the end he runs along the walls to gain speed before attempting to swing. If you understand it's a different type of grounded. There are other examples but I can't be bothered explaining, I'd recommend you just watch some behind the scenes stuff.

I think this is the case. Physics and imagery seems substantially more weighty. And the power levels of both the hero and villain are more believable to me. When compared to Spidey punching Octavius in the face several times. Or the fact that Andrew's Spider-Man always comes home bruised and battered.

The movie is grounded and realistic in terms of its characters, or at least that's what I got from the movie.

I'd agree. Felt more like my teenage years than Raimi's did. Minus the deaths of all my father figures. Chalk it up to that ol' Parker luck, true to form.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Don't even bother arguing with Vid. Its futile.

 

[Vid Electricz]

So what you're really trying to say about a movie, in a thread that should have nothing to do with said movie, is that someone somewhere said that some movies since 2005 are dark and gritty and that ASM failed to embody that tone even though the tone they were going for was grounded and realistic? Which is something completely different?


Oh.

Here's where that pesky ability to read, comprehend and think abstractly would have come in handy for you!

TASM obviously, and quite transparently made an effort (and failed) to emulate the filmic "superhero in the real world" model set by Nolan in BB (ie. Dark, gritty, realistic, grounded are all interchangeable buzzwords in this case).

Just to explain it completely (since that seems necessary for you) This is why I made the comparison to TASM (which is one of two existing Spider-Man film franchises) being equally as "juvenile" and "childish" (if not more so than) the Raimi series.