How come Burton doesnt like B89 that much?

[El Payaso]

Didn't Burton say that The Killing Joke was the only comic he read when preparing the film?

No. He read TDKR too at least.

 

[TLH]

Returns was pure Burton. I'm sure he wishes that he could have done Batman 89 with more Burton style/flair.

 

[justinianus]

Well, I think the guy means you don't have to live by comic books and be familiar with every single writer and storyline or every single monthly book published to form an educated opinion on the character. The basics and some essential reading is all you need.

I think there are more far better things to read when it comes to comics than bying every monthly superhero title you can find. That's why I mostly like mini-series and one-shots.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

I dont care people that dont read comic books or Graphic Novels and watch Comic Book films, dont ever know what they're talking about, ever!

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I dont care people that dont read comic books or Graphic Novels and watch Comic Book films, dont ever know what they're talking about, ever!

Are you always full of this kind of wisdom... or is this just your lucky night?

Comic Books/ Graphic Novels

Comic Book Movies

...Yeah... two very different mediums. If people want to criticize a movie of any kind... they have a right too.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Are you always full of this kind of wisdom... or is this just your lucky night?

Comic Books/ Graphic Novels

Comic Book Movies

...Yeah... two very different mediums. If people want to criticize a movie of any kind... they have a right too.

Hey I always say everyone is entitled to their own opinion, Im 100% for it, but from my experiences people that only see the films and dont read the stories in graphic novels or comic books dont really deeply know what they're talking about, thats all.

 

[Cain]

No. He read TDKR too at least.

Yeah that has been said for years upon years now and the influence is apparent in the way the film uses news media broadcasts throughout and a vain Joker that wears red lipstick. Also according to Michael Uslan (Bat franchise executive producer)

"I only let Tim see the original year of the Bob Kane/Bill Finger run, up until the time that Robin was introduced. I showed him the Steve Englehart/Marshall Rogers and the Neal Adams/Denny O'Neil stories. My biggest fear was that somehow Tim would get hold of the campiest Batman comics and then where would we be?"

You could definitely see the Kane/Finger influence in not just Batman's portrayal but in that direct panels are recreated in the film from those comics. As for the Englehart/Rogers thing well Boss Grissom getting his Rupert Thorne on and a Vicki Vale more reflective of Silver St. Cloud then the Vicki Vale of the comics are the most obvious.

 

[JB14]

From what I have read over the years making Batman 89 was anightmare-with licensing and toys eing manufactured before scripts were finished-to the writer's strike in 89, which wrecked some of the dialogue to Jon Peter's interference ruiining he end of the film (how the hell does the Batwing miss The Joker?, Where on earth does The Joker's 3 goons pop out from in the cathedral scene when only he and Vicki go up there? transportation for two anybody?) Plus the whole thing was rushed without proper attention to the plot (forgetting that The Joker doesn't know who Batman is at the end of the film but sayong he was kid when he killed his parents is pretty ropey) and finally not being able to finish off special effects must have killed Burton.

That said, the film is still one of the best comic book adaptations ever-the acting, mood, Batmobile, costumes, production design, music the list goes on and on. Just wish they had taken a bit more care with it.

 

[obiwan]

YOU ARE AN IDIOT.... if you aren't into comicbooks.... don't watch comicbook movies.

people like you piss me off!

this guy is kidding right? what are you, 8 years old? go back to the sandbox and leave the talking for us adults.

 

[November Rain]

I think a comic book film is a very complex piece of work which has to stand as a testament of a comic book across all good eras while also being capable of functioning as a solid film entity on its own.

where to draw the line between, homage, adapatation, translation and new creative artistic merit is always a tricky one. Personally I don't feel any film has done the balance justice but the best ones seem to either address the casual audience or the strong fan base pretty much directly without much mixing. saying that, it's probably easier to get the fan to follow the casual viewer as long as the comic book is full of easter eggs they can appreciate.

 

[BigCityBoy]

^^

In many ways... he did get his way at a number of times.

The Joker killing Bruce's Parents was his idea... so he could often get away with quite alot.

According to the Special Edition DVD, Sam Hamm basically said it was the studio's idea to make The Joker the killer of Bruce's parents. Sam was gonna make it be that Joe Chill was the killer (just like in the comics) but WB made him change it to The Joker because they wanted closure for this film (in case there wasn't any sequels) and plus they knew the general public wasn't familiar with Joe Chill and they wasn't too concerned at the time about being "faithful" to the comic source material. Burton was just doing what the studio was forcing him to do.

 

[El Payaso]

According to the Special Edition DVD, Sam Hamm basically said it was the studio's idea to make The Joker the killer of Bruce's parents. Sam was gonna make it be that Joe Chill was the killer (just like in the comics) but WB made him change it to The Joker because they wanted closure for this film (in case there wasn't any sequels) and plus they knew the general public wasn't familiar with Joe Chill and they wasn't too concerned at the time about being "faithful" to the comic source material. Burton was just doing what the studio was forcing him to do.

Damn, I was eager to applaud Tim for that idea.