How could Galactus work?

^I think mottled pale skin would be fine. Part of the Borg's theme was that they were culled from known races, so they didn't need to look any more alien than anything else. I think it would help drive home the concept of the character if Galactus seemed more removed from humanity than any other alien characters (ie Silver Surfer). But, as mentioned earlier, he still has to be able to emote. He has to have an actor, not an animator.
 
But in successful space operas, say, Star Wars, they make sure that aliens look alien. I'm not saying that you have to change Galactus' silhouette, but even the comics know you need to make sure it gets across to the audience that he doesn't naturally look human, and you can't do that with a caption box in a film.

Star Trek (any incarnation)....? Babylon 5....? Stargate SG-1...? Battlestar Galactica...?

All of these are very successful sci-fi series, and all are (in)famous for making aliens that are little more than guys in suits/makeup. Humanocentrism in sci-fi is still very prevalent. Hell, even your Star Wars example is extremely limited --- yes, the aliens in certain cantina scenes (Mos Eisley, Jabba's Palace) revel in their alien-ness, but the only aliens with any lasting fan appeal are still (yet again) guys in suits/makeup....Ewoks, Wookiees, Mandalorians, Zabraks, Gungans, Twi'lek, etc. These all follow the basic Star Trek aliens-as-humanoids format.

Honestly, the only group I see that would have trouble accepting Galactus as a giant humanoid are a very *niche* minority: namely, sci-fi fanatics who demand alien-ness from their aliens.
 
Star Trek (any incarnation)....? Babylon 5....? Stargate SG-1...? Battlestar Galactica...?

All of these are very successful sci-fi series, and all are (in)famous for making aliens that are little more than guys in suits/makeup. Humanocentrism in sci-fi is still very prevalent. Hell, even your Star Wars example is extremely limited --- yes, the aliens in certain cantina scenes (Mos Eisley, Jabba's Palace) revel in their alien-ness, but the only aliens with any lasting fan appeal are still (yet again) guys in suits/makeup....Ewoks, Wookiees, Mandalorians, Zabraks, Gungans, Twi'lek, etc. These all follow the basic Star Trek aliens-as-humanoids format.

Aliens on a budget look like humans with rubber foreheads. Aliens in a space opera have full suits and/or facepaint on. None of these 'very successful' properties, even ones on a shoestring budget, portray aliens as humans in partial masks, because that doesn't visually communicate alienness to the audience.

Now, it is true, that often times, aliens will be portrayed as looking precisely human, and some reason will be scrounged up for that. Those reasons don't hold up though if the alien is several stories high, imho, and such tedious exposition is out of place and unnecessary in something that needs to be more successful than all the Sci Fi TV shows combined to break even.

Honestly, the only group I see that would have trouble accepting Galactus as a giant humanoid are a very *niche* minority: namely, sci-fi fanatics who demand alien-ness from their aliens.

I don't see anyone having trouble accepting Galactus as a giant humanoid. Except Fox execs. You thought I did?
 
He would be great like this
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Just no human face.
 
He would be great like this
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Just no human face.


That looks damn near perfect. It's about as perfect an homage as you can get; it's just that his face is hidden (apparently....? from what I can tell, anyway) behind a mask, Vader-style.

That look embraces authenticity, alien-ness and badassery, all in one. The only downside I can see is n00bs thinking he's a giant robot instead of an alien in a suit.
 
This makes by far the most sense to me. I think the idea of Galactus appearing as he wishes, the whole faceplate being full of energy that 'he' chooses to make look like a human to either mock or intimidate his victims is interesting. There's a story there, rather than just a high concept.

That implies that Galactus is out to terrorize and mock people. He's not. He doesn't really care what they do or don't think about him. And very deep down, at the core of his being, he's guilty about what he's doing. So his going around messing with peoples minds is totally out of character for him.

The reason these won't work on film is because when we are told to see him as an alien, our mind goes to the 'Star Trek' alien place, where we suspend our disbelief and pretend that all evolution points directly to us or something. For people who aren't into that kind of suspension, they are turned off.

And how many people does that describe? 10? 20? I very much doubt that that would bother any appreciable number of people. After all, how many people have gone to see a Star Trek movie only to come away *****ing about how the Vulcans look just like humans, except with pointy ears? Or how the Klingons look just like humans, except with ridges on their forehead. I've never read any reviews of any Star Trek movies complaining about the movies implied that "all evolution points to us". Moreover, as has already been stated, Galactus doesn't look human. That's just how our human minds would perceive him. I imagine that he'd be introduced in a Silver Surfer movie. If that's the case, then we'd likely see him eating an alien world before moving on to Earth. That'd provide a great opportunity for the filmmakers to show us Galactus from the perspective of the alien race whose world is being destroyed, and how he looks to them.
 
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I say go for broke. Just like the comics, but perhaps slightly more menacing (like in the photos above or in the video game). I think it's one of those characters you have to go full tilt for it to "work".
 
By the way peeps, stop being ridiculous about "the general audience", they've seen everything fron a walking tree in an oscar-winning film to a abominable snowman in an iconic film trilogy. Most of the time things like "turning Galactus into a storm" or "the x-men wearing similar leather uniforms" have less to do with "audience acceptance" or much more to do with budgetary concerns. Most of those changes were just cheaper to film than doing exactly what's in the comic.

For Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer it would've given that movie a bloated budget to cgi both a solid Surfer AND a comic book accurate Galactus. The way they did it they cut both the cgi costs, and the need to hire another, probably expensive actor to attach to their script. Then they would've had to potentially do a backstory, which would've cost even more. The storm was pretty quick and painless by comparison. No, you probably won't find FOX saying "well we did it because we're cheap", but why would ANY company admit to this. With the past performance of Fantastic Four they probably wouldn't have greenlit a script that could support both a good Surfer and a good Galactus because it would cost too much. I can imagine if I did Galactus I'd want to add the Galen scene, just because I think it's critical to his character.
 
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Wow, this image really gets me going. Even though it's a still, I can easily imagine all sorts of activity going on. Those things on his ears could spin; that deflector dish up top whirrs with energy; those glowing areas would light up when he's pissed or when he's doing his planet-eater thing. The detail on this is exquisite.

If the human nose and mouth is a problem, I could easily look past all of it if the movie Galactus looked like this. I would be shaking in my seat
 
Yeah, right? It'd be pretty neat to see all those little lights dim when he's hungry, and then lit up right after he's eaten a planet.

And personally, I find the mouth and eyes to be essential. One of the major things about Galactus is his personality. He's got to be able to emote, otherwise you lose an essential element of his being...

...which is that he's a colossal *****ebag.

But he also has his softer and more mournful times, when the audience could potentially feel empathy for Galactus and what he has to do to survive. For all of those reasons, he needs to keep his human face. As for the rest, it'd be easy enough to, say, start a movie with him eating an alien world and then showing what he looks like from the perspective of the aliens. Between that and a throwaway one-liner by the Silver Surfer, the audience would easily be able to get that he doesn't actually look human, and his appearance reflects the expectations of those looking at him.
 
He would be great like this
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Just no human face.

This is both A) Awesome and B) What I'm saying. Thank you good sir.


That implies that Galactus is out to terrorize and mock people. He's not. He doesn't really care what they do or don't think about him. And very deep down, at the core of his being, he's guilty about what he's doing. So his going around messing with peoples minds is totally out of character for him.

It's just one possible explanation of him having a human face that translates to film.

And how many people does that describe? 10? 20? I very much doubt that that would bother any appreciable number of people. After all, how many people have gone to see a Star Trek movie only to come away *****ing about how the Vulcans look just like humans, except with pointy ears? Or how the Klingons look just like humans, except with ridges on their forehead. I've never read any reviews of any Star Trek movies complaining about the movies implied that "all evolution points to us".

I was directly referring to people who are turned off by Star Trek aliens, which explains why the franchise died until Abrams turned it into Star Wars. It's a very large number of people or we'd have Star Trek on TV still.

Moreover, as has already been stated, Galactus doesn't look human. That's just how our human minds would perceive him. I imagine that he'd be introduced in a Silver Surfer movie. If that's the case, then we'd likely see him eating an alien world before moving on to Earth. That'd provide a great opportunity for the filmmakers to show us Galactus from the perspective of the alien race whose world is being destroyed, and how he looks to them.

He does look human to the audience, and that's all that counts. That kind of exposition would look great, but the fact that he's beyond comprehension still would translate. The audience would interpret him as taking the shape of the world he conquers, and you already mentioned that gives the wrong impression of him.

By the way peeps, stop being ridiculous about "the general audience", they've seen everything fron a walking tree in an oscar-winning film to a abominable snowman in an iconic film trilogy. Most of the time things like "turning Galactus into a storm" or "the x-men wearing similar leather uniforms" have less to do with "audience acceptance" or much more to do with budgetary concerns. Most of those changes were just cheaper to film than doing exactly what's in the comic.

This misperception of the general audience, 'if they accept A, they will accept B,' doesn't make any sense to me. It also ignores the tedious ways all those incredible things were set up and just takes audience acceptance for granted, ignoring the skill of filmmakers who create these things and make them seem realistic and relatable to an audience, and ignores movies like Aeon Flux where unexplained high concepts put people off.

For Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer it would've given that movie a bloated budget to cgi both a solid Surfer AND a comic book accurate Galactus. The way they did it they cut both the cgi costs, and the need to hire another, probably expensive actor to attach to their script. Then they would've had to potentially do a backstory, which would've cost even more. The storm was pretty quick and painless by comparison. No, you probably won't find FOX saying "well we did it because we're cheap", but why would ANY company admit to this. With the past performance of Fantastic Four they probably wouldn't have greenlit a script that could support both a good Surfer and a good Galactus because it would cost too much. I can imagine if I did Galactus I'd want to add the Galen scene, just because I think it's critical to his character.

That's a fine theory. The storm called for a lot of complicated CGI. A backstory would not have cost more, but it would have made the movie more complicated, and possibly less appealing if not done right. Likewise, making big giant holes in the ground in populated cities and such. I don't think your idea that 'they went cheaper' is solid. The plain fact is, that in comic book movies, execs and filmmakers simplify high concept characters, for better or worse. To act like that trend amongst movies simply didn't happen on FF:RotSS is a mighty stretch.
 
I was directly referring to people who are turned off by Star Trek aliens, which explains why the franchise died until Abrams turned it into Star Wars. It's a very large number of people or we'd have Star Trek on TV still.

...except that that's not why Star Trek died at all. I don't quite get where you got that idea. :huh: Moreover, if that was the problem, then how did the JJ Abrams movie solve anything? The aliens were all still exactly the same. The vast majority of the aliens in that movie were all still nearly identical to humans.

Star Trek didn't die because of all the various human-looking aliens. It died because it put out a steady stream of garbage for years on end. Voyager, for the most part, was garbage. Generations, Insurrection, and Nemesis were all garbage. Enterprise was garbage until the 4th season. When you put out crap for 10 solid years, people tend to get turned off. That's why it died. Saying that it was because people were turned off by humancentric aliens is downright ludicrous. You may as well say that people got turned off of it because they were tired of seeing Command Officers wearing red and wanted to see them wear gold again, and Abrams solved that with his movie. At least that argument would make some sense, as that's a change which actually occured in the Abrams movie (from the TNG era), as opposed to the aliens, who were no different than they'd been in the past (Hell, the Romulans ended up looking less alien. They used to have forehead ridges).
 
That's a fine theory. The storm called for a lot of complicated CGI. A backstory would not have cost more, but it would have made the movie more complicated, and possibly less appealing if not done right. Likewise, making big giant holes in the ground in populated cities and such. I don't think your idea that 'they went cheaper' is solid. The plain fact is, that in comic book movies, execs and filmmakers simplify high concept characters, for better or worse. To act like that trend amongst movies simply didn't happen on FF:RotSS is a mighty stretch.
The big giant holes are background objects, unlike Silver Surfer and Galactus who are supposed to move and interact with characters. Those cost MUCH more. The movie Transformers seems like an appropriate comparison here. When the Transformers were fighting on earth each robot in a given scene cost 15 million dollars per second to animate, that cost was bloated if they were Transforming or using a weapon. A cloud and a few holes are not nearly as hard to do, and require a lot less design too. The cloud wouldn't have to move like a convincing person, that's pretty hard to get right.

This is why movies like Super 8 and Cloverfield are so attractive to studios, because the minimal screentime of the monster makes them cheaper to produce. This is the same reason your favorite superhero will spend so much quality time out of costume, and why in origin movies they tend to spend nearly 2/3rds of the movie out of costume. Obviously this doesn't apply to every style of character, like DareDevil and Batman, but for characters with neat powers this is generally why these movies play out the way they do. Don't mistake bad writing for proof that the comic book is flawed. This is actually something Green Lantern illustrated well. While highly comic accurate you could see how all the pieces on their own were very good and showed promise, but when they movie failed to produce a plot to tie these elements together it lost it's effectiveness as a film. Galactus can work just as he appears in the comic.

Audiences watch silly things all the time. The Matrix is completely silly, the whole concept is actually completely unfeasible, and humans make lousey batteries. You don't get much more silly than that. Another good example is Dances with Smurfs...erm I mean Avatar, completely silly and even the characters look ridiculous. They are giant blue Smurfs meet Thundercats. The movie told a good story with them though (as far as the box office returns are concerned) and it worked.
 
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Agreed. And look at the Fantastic Four movies themselves. The audience had no problem that A) A guy could set himself on fire and fly, B) A guy got turned into a super-strong rock man, and C) That there's an alien who looks just like a human, except he's got silver metal skin, and he cruises around in space ON HIS SURFBOARD! If the audience can buy all that, including a concept as ludicrous on its face as the Silver Surfer, then why do people think that they won't be able to buy Galactus?
 
...except that that's not why Star Trek died at all. I don't quite get where you got that idea. :huh: Moreover, if that was the problem, then how did the JJ Abrams movie solve anything? The aliens were all still exactly the same. The vast majority of the aliens in that movie were all still nearly identical to humans.

The idea comes from cheap science fiction not being accepted by the mainstream.

Abrams solved the alienness problem in more subtle ways. By starting with Vulcan culture, he made Vulcans feel alien without looking super alien. Other aliens in the film not only appeared impossibly inhuman, thanks to CGI, but the aliens in partial masks (The Klingons) got cut from the film because it was confusing to the audience. Partial masks don't make the cut. They just don't.

He also jam packed it with action and spectacle, encouraging larger levels of disbelief suspension.

Star Trek didn't die because of all the various human-looking aliens. It died because it put out a steady stream of garbage for years on end. Voyager, for the most part, was garbage. Generations, Insurrection, and Nemesis were all garbage. Enterprise was garbage until the 4th season. When you put out crap for 10 solid years, people tend to get turned off. That's why it died. Saying that it was because people were turned off by humancentric aliens is downright ludicrous. You may as well say that people got turned off of it because they were tired of seeing Command Officers wearing red and wanted to see them wear gold again, and Abrams solved that with his movie. At least that argument would make some sense, as that's a change which actually occured in the Abrams movie (from the TNG era), as opposed to the aliens, who were no different than they'd been in the past (Hell, the Romulans ended up looking less alien. They used to have forehead ridges).

That's a good point. Star Trek died based on quality. It become niche because of the rubber forehead aliens, and other badly explained 'science' and the suspension of disbelief was too large for the mainstream. Other successful have been crap for more than ten years and survive, because they don't require as much disbelief suspension.

The big giant holes are background objects, unlike Silver Surfer and Galactus who are supposed to move and interact with characters. Those cost MUCH more. The movie Transformers seems like an appropriate comparison here. When the Transformers were fighting on earth each robot in a given scene cost 15 million dollars per second to animate, that cost was bloated if they were Transforming or using a weapon. A cloud and a few holes are not nearly as hard to do, and require a lot less design too. The cloud wouldn't have to move like a convincing person, that's pretty hard to get right.

Based on that statistic, TF had only 10 seconds of fighting. Check your source again on that one. On the point you were making, The Transformers had a lot more moving pieces than any Galactus would, and they had to interact with the real world. Galactus is just floating, larger than life. It just doesn't take "Transformers" money. He's conversing, sure, perhaps holding someone in his palm. He's not walking around and punching things.

This is why movies like Super 8 and Cloverfield are so attractive to studios, because the minimal screentime of the monster makes them cheaper to produce. This is the same reason your favorite superhero will spend so much quality time out of costume, and why in origin movies they tend to spend nearly 2/3rds of the movie out of costume. Obviously this doesn't apply to every style of character, like DareDevil and Batman, but for characters with neat powers this is generally why these movies play out the way they do.

So we don't get a CGI bonanza because studios are cheap, not because getting the characters and their motivations makes for a better story? I'm sorry sir, I just don't buy it.

Don't mistake bad writing for proof that the comic book is flawed. This is actually something Green Lantern illustrated well. While highly comic accurate you could see how all the pieces on their own were very good and showed promise, but when they movie failed to produce a plot to tie these elements together it lost it's effectiveness as a film. Galactus can work just as he appears in the comic.

GL is a perfect example of a CGI bonanza that didn't take the time to make the characters relatable. Not enough out of costume scenes to make the in-costume scenes matter. It made for a bad story. There is a money concern, sure, but the story concern takes precedence. Galactus cannot work as he appears in the comics.

Audiences watch silly things all the time. The Matrix is completely silly, the whole concept is actually completely unfeasible, and humans make lousey batteries. You don't get much more silly than that. Another good example is Dances with Smurfs...erm I mean Avatar, completely silly and even the characters look ridiculous. They are giant blue Smurfs meet Thundercats. The movie told a good story with them though (as far as the box office returns are concerned) and it worked.

It didn't just tell a good story, it made everything seem plausible, and chose things that were already serious. Taking the comics explanation, you actually can make human-faced Galactus seem plausible, but I don't think that would add to the story, in fact, I think trying to communicate a vision beyond comprehension in a visual medium would derail the story completely.

You keep saying the word silly, but I do not think it means what you think it means.
 
The idea comes from cheap science fiction not being accepted by the mainstream.

If that's the case then why is Star Trek the most well-known and popular sci-fi franchise aside from Star Wars? Nobody ever had a problem with the aliens in Star Trek before. Frankly, it sounds like you're projecting your own issues with Star Trek onto the general audience more than anything else. Not once have I ever heard anyone who wasn't a diehard science geek complain about Star Trek being too humanocentric. Frankly, the general audience doesn't give a damn.

Abrams solved the alienness problem in more subtle ways. By starting with Vulcan culture, he made Vulcans feel alien without looking super alien.

In what way? He did nothing with the Vulcans that hadn't already been done before. Hell, his Spock felt more human, not less, than TOS Spock. I certainly don't remember Spock back in TOS taking time out before a mission to make out with his hot girlfriend.

Other aliens in the film not only appeared impossibly inhuman, thanks to CGI

There was one weird looking alien who had a brief appearance. That was it. Every other alien was either a Romulan, a Vulcan, or an Orion (green girl). That one alien certainly didn't make the movie.

but the aliens in partial masks (The Klingons) got cut from the film because it was confusing to the audience. Partial masks don't make the cut. They just don't.

Supposition on your part. Do you have anything to base your opinion on why the Klingons got cut?

That's a good point. Star Trek died based on quality. It become niche because of the rubber forehead aliens, and other badly explained 'science' and the suspension of disbelief was too large for the mainstream.


That's your opinion. One which isn't based on anything resembling a fact. Prove that Star Trek lost its audience because of its aliens. You won't be able to, because your assertion is absolutely ludicrous. The only people who care about the aliens in Star Trek are the hardcore fans who watch it anyway. The general audience doesn't care at all that the aliens look exactly like humans, except they've got spots, or nose wrinkles, or pointy ears. Nor does the general audience care about badly explained science. You really think that your average tv/movie goer cares more about mangled science than a diehard sci-fan? Are you honestly going to make that argument?

Other successful have been crap for more than ten years and survive, because they don't require as much disbelief suspension.

Name me one. You won't find one because no such beast exists. Star Trek lasted as long as it did putting out pure drivel because it had something which no other property had. It was Star Trek. It survived where anything else which was equally mediocre would've died in a heartbeat. Even good shows weren't able to last as long as Star Trek at its worst. For evidence of that look to Crusade, Firefly and Farscape, not to mention Battlestar Galactica, which ended early for fear of being cancelled before the story was concluded.
 
It has been a little while since I saw the new TREK, where was the digital alien - all I remember are the actor/make-up ones?
 
The Klingons were cut from the Star Trek movie not because of their design or rubber foreheads, but because having had the Klingons as allies in TNG and later series, demonizing them again and making them the villains would've been a step backwards. I remember reading this was the reasoning behind it.
 
It has been a little while since I saw the new TREK, where was the digital alien - all I remember are the actor/make-up ones?


There was a CGI-enhanced alien with really big eyes helping deliver James Kirk in the beginning. That was it and, apparently, that brief cameo was all it took for the general audience to get over its non-existent dislike for the humanocentric appearance of the aliens in Star Trek which made Star Trek a niche program, despite lasting for 10 years while producing a steady stream of garbage, where other non-niche sci-fi shows with far more alien looking aliens and 10 times the quality were lucky to last half as long as the super niche Star Trek... :whatever:
 
As far as the Klingons go, I understand they wore helmets when their scenes were shot and very little of the face was seen, so I do not think the "rubber forehead" thing hold any water at all here.
 
There was a CGI-enhanced alien with really big eyes helping deliver James Kirk in the beginning. That was it and, apparently, that brief cameo was all it took for the general audience to get over its non-existent dislike for the humanocentric appearance of the aliens in Star Trek which made Star Trek a niche program, despite lasting for 10 years while producing a steady stream of garbage, where other non-niche sci-fi shows with far more alien looking aliens and 10 times the quality were lucky to last half as long as the super niche Star Trek... :whatever:

10 years...?

1966 through the foreseeable future = a LOT more than 10 years. Even if you count the short breaks between series and films, Trek has been an ongoing franchise in one form or another for at least 30 years.

Anyway, I don't remember seeing Galactus in any Star Trek episode or film....can we steer this back towards giants in purple helmets?
 
10 years...?

1966 through the foreseeable future = a LOT more than 10 years. Even if you count the short breaks between series and films, Trek has been an ongoing franchise in one form or another for at least 30 years.

I'm talking about the 10 year period when Star Trek put out a solid stream of garbage (as it says in the very quote which you bolded) and what led to its death as a franchise until Abrams revived it, not Star Trek's overall history. Star Trek: Voyager ran from 1995-2001. Star Trek: Enterprise ran from 2001-2005. That's the 10-year period I'm talking about, where, with the exception of First Contact, Star Trek produced a steady stream of garbage. The point is that it survived for 10 years despite the horrendous quality of the product. That hardly makes it a super niche franchise, as no other franchise can claim to have survived for that long producing that much crap.

Anyway, I don't remember seeing Galactus in any Star Trek episode or film....can we steer this back towards giants in purple helmets?

It's related, as the argument is about whether a human-looking Galactus would be accepted by the general audience. One poster stated that it wouldn't, as human-looking aliens were what killed Star Trek. My response was that the cause for Star Trek dying off for a few years was because of a consistent lack of quality over a decade, and not because of the humanocentric aliens.
 
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I'm but if giant transforming robots can work on film and be number 1 movie for couple of weekends, then a giant man from space could work on film as well. Why is it so hard? Forget realism crap, this is the movies hence fantasy and the fantastic. Moviegoers film studios has forgotten this fact what movies are about.

The only other movie that had giant man on film that looked cool, that I know of is Time Bandits
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This works. No need to change any design from the original, just add detail, and the GA will accept it.

Add detail? It's not like those other shots of Galactus in black aren't detailed enough already.
 

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